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[Brera]

Maybe, but when we tell you Pikmin sold better than F-zero and starfox you cited ******** as a source, which is about as credible as nutty conspiracy theorist who believe 2012 was the end of the world.

god the whole topic lost its meaning.

Iwata will be fine, Nintendo will do better.

I'm no expert but those Starfox numbers look accurate to me.

My Source also tells me that SNES F-Zero sold 2.85m, N64 F-Zero sold 1million, MV sold 1 million and GX sold 600'000 all worldwide.

The Pikmin numbers are 1.6 and 1 million worldwide respectively, same as anihawks numebers!

 

[Dave Meltzer]

I'm no expert but those Starfox numbers look accurate to me.

My Source also tells me that SNES F-Zero sold 2.85m, N64 F-Zero sold 1million, MV sold 1 million and GX sold 600'000 all worldwide.

The Pikmin numbers are 1.6 and 1 million worldwide respectively, same as anihawks numebers!

I'm sorry but the gentleman with the anime girl avatar above this post ended this thread. The thread has been ended.

 

[DaBoss]

I'm no expert but those Starfox numbers look accurate to me.

My Source also tells me that SNES F-Zero sold 2.85m, N64 F-Zero sold 1million, MV sold 1 million and GX sold 600'000 all worldwide.

The Pikmin numbers are 1.6 and 1 million worldwide respectively, same as anihawks numebers!

Is your source Chartz lol...

They don't match AniHawk's numbers.

 

[MYE]

I say Iwata hasn't done enough to improve the experience of playing online games with Wii U, and that Miiverse is just a gimmick.

You tell me the existence of Miiverse has nothing to do with other things not being up to date.

Ok?

I don't care about Miiverse. If you like it, sweet. But it isn't giving me the the online gaming basic features I expect in 2013.

So lets see:

1) You have issues with Nintendo Network
2) You dont like Miiverse, which is its own thing.

therefore:

Miiverse is a gimmick because you dont care for it and because you think Nintendo Network is bad.

If this makes any sense to you then I honestly dont know what to say. Carry on

 

[Brera]

Maybe Nintendo need to focus on providing us with a basic workable online system before over stretching themselves with halfassed ideas.

 

[qq more]

http://www.********.com/gamedb/?name=star+fox

I'm dying of laughter

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I am guessing Brera is taking advantage of the fact that no one's really looking at this thread

 

[deviljho]

I am guessing Brera is taking advantage of the fact that no one's really looking at this thread

 

[Kacho]

Maybe, but when we tell you Pikmin sold better than F-zero and starfox you cited ******** as a source, which is about as credible as nutty conspiracy theorist who believe 2012 was the end of the world.

god the whole topic lost its meaning.

Iwata will be fine, Nintendo will do better.

It's been fun at least.

But I agree. Iwata will be fine.

 

[MYE]

I am guessing Brera is taking advantage of the fact that no one's really looking at this thread

Only explanation I can come up with. Even I'm scared of posting in this thread

 

[Aaron Strife]

pikmin: 680k
pikmin 2: 400k

For some reason I always thought Pikmin 2 sold terribly, but that seems decent.

Anihawk's LTDs on f-zero/pikmin/star fox are the best thing to come from this thread since brera's weird fucking trolling.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

So lets see:

1) You have issues with Nintendo Network
2) You dont like Miiverse, which is its own thing.

therefore:

Miiverse is a gimmick because you dont care for it and because you think Nintendo Network is bad.

If this makes any sense to you then I honestly dont know what to say. Carry on

Miiverse is a gimmick because it doesn't improve the video games but rather just exists as something non gaming related your video game console can do.

 

[Tookay]

I am guessing Brera is taking advantage of the fact that no one's really looking at this thread

Certainly no mod is.

 

[DaBoss]

Miiverse is a gimmick because it doesn't improve the video games but rather just exists as something non gaming related your video game console can do.

And messaging friends improves games how? Miiverse actually has some in-game functionality, messaging your friends doesn't. That reasoning doesn't cut it.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

And messaging friends improves games how? Miiverse actually has some in-game functionality, messaging your friends doesn't. That reasoning doesn't cut it.

Messaging friends lets me say "hey wanna play this video game with me?"

On Wii U your friend doesn't even know you message them unless they specifically check for messages. It's just completely inferior for the type of gaming most people expect to be doing with a console.

 

[Metal Gear?!]

Miiverse is a gimmick because it doesn't improve the video games but rather just exists as something non gaming related your video game console can do.

Miiverse counts at least halfway since it functions as an in-game accessible hint system and achievement system

 

[Brera]

As long as I get to educate and enrich your knowledge, I'm happy. I'm a historian!

 

[MYE]

Miiverse is a gimmick because it doesn't improve the video games but rather just exists as something non gaming related your video game console can do.

It improves the video game experience by offering you a service that connects you to specific or general communities where you can friend people that have that game, share stuff, talk or use for info. You know, like what we are doing in this message board right now.
How you consider this a non-gaming related gimmick is beyond me.
No, it doesnt directly afect basic gameplay, but its convinient. And if you consider a gimmick everything that exists outside of the bare minimum, then all the added functions that make the other services that much better are unnecessary gimmicks as well.

 

[Darryl]

Miiverse is a gimmick because it doesn't improve the video games but rather just exists as something non gaming related your video game console can do.

you know miiverse is integrated into games, right? like literally in the games. in nintendo land, the characters walk around your lobby. there's lobby 'challenges' that involve these characters. the gameplay capabilities with it already exist and the future potential is large.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

It improves the video game experience by offering you a service that connects you to specific or general communities where you can friend people that have that game, share stuff, talk or use for info. You know, like what we are doing in this message board right now.
How you consider this a non-gaming related gimmick is beyond me.
No, it doesnt directly afect basic gameplay, but its convinient. And if you consider a gimmick everything that exists outside of the bare minimum, then the all the added functions that make the other services that much better are unnecessary gimmicks as well.

Dude, that's like saying GAF makes video games better. Do I give games an extra point in my internal review score because the GAF OT is especially amusing?

I don't want to link up with a bunch of idiots posting pictures and trying to be funny. If I want to see that I can search twitter for the game name and enjoy pages and pages of opinions I don't care about.

you know miiverse is integrated into games, right? like literally in the games. in nintendo land, the characters walk around your lobby. there's lobby 'challenges' that involve these characters. the gameplay capabilities with it already exist and the future potential is large.

I can't express how little this interests me. But this isn't the point, the point is I am criticising Iwata for focusing on that kind of fluff rather than the fundamentals of an online network for video games in this decade.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I really bet those people that post screenshots when they are stuck in areas and get answers right away without having to leave the console see Miiverse as a "gimmick".

"Gimmick" is the new "surreal".

 

[DaBoss]

Messaging friends lets me say "hey wanna play this video game with me?"

On Wii U your friend doesn't even know you message them unless they specifically check for messages. It's just completely inferior for the type of gaming most people expect to be doing with a console.

I know messaging can be used for that, but that falls under what you said Miiverse falls under:

Miiverse is a gimmick because it doesn't improve the video games but rather just exists as something non gaming related your video game console can do.

Miiverse is gaming related as it's integrated within the games.

I do agree that Nintendo needs to work on their OS and Nintendo Network, but you disliking Miiverse is something else. The PS360's OS wasn't made in a day. Yes, Nintendo has come late to the party and could have had lots of this stuff day one, but it seems they're going to have to go through the same problems that MS and Sony faced through. I wish they would learn from the others' mistakes.

 

[Brera]

They need to fucking learn how to play the game instead of cheating,

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

They need to fucking learn how to play the game instead of cheating,

You never finished Prime, did you???

 

[Dave Meltzer]

I really bet those people that post screenshots when they are stuck in areas and get answers right away without having to leave the console see Miiverse as a "gimmick".

"Gimmick" is the new "surreal".

www.gamefaqs.com

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

www.gamefaqs,com

Just like "gimmick", maybe you should look up "convenience".

 

[Kraftwerk]

I haven't followed this thread besides reading the title.

All I have to say regarding this matter is; I will be very, very sad and disappointed if this ever happens.

Iwata is one of the most competent people in this industry. I have a great deal of this respect for this man.

 

[Pachterballs]

There are people here bad mouthing Fzero and Starfox (as one of the worst Nintendo franchises) and proclaiming Pikmin and Kid Icarus....KID ICARUS with it's shitty controls as something better!

Guys...you do understand there have only been 2 Starfox games? On the SNES and N64?

starfox adventures.

lol


star fox assault.



... yeah. outside of nostalgia, I think the franchise should stay dead.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Just like "gimmick", maybe you should look up "convenience".

So taking a photo, uploading it and having a cute message saying help pls is more convenient than using the web browser that's on the system and going to GameFAQs? Really? Really? This is your example of a non gimmick?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

So taking a photo, uploading it and having a cute

Teh kiddeh amirite???

And yes, it's faster and more efficient than getting your answer elsewhere in a less organized place.

 

[Darryl]

I can't express how little this interests me. But this isn't the point, the point is I am criticising Iwata for focusing on that kind of fluff rather than the fundamentals of an online network for video games in this decade.

it just really doesn't sound like you understand exactly what miiverse is and what it can be used for.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Teh kiddeh amirite???

Confused what angle you're going with here but I'm sure it's hilarious.

it just really doesn't sound like you understand exactly what miiverse is and what it can be used for.

To me it seems like you're all ignoring the fact that Miiverse may have uses, but that Nintendo's online network is missing basic features I expect and I consider them vastly more important. My objection isn't the existence if Miiverse, it's the omission of more important things.

 

[Brera]

starfox adventures.

lol


star fox assault.



... yeah. outside of nostalgia, I think the franchise should stay dead.

Neither of those two games are proper sf games.

Starfox 3D sold pretty well? Still need to get round to buying it

 

[MYE]

Dude, that's like saying GAF makes video games better.

Its a place where I can ask opinions, have someone help me out with something, share my experiences, learn new things and organize online play-sessions. So yes, yes it does improve my gaming experience.

Do I give games an extra point in my internal review score because the GAF OT is especially amusing?

You should give Wii U online games the credit they deserve if an OS based community service makes your social experience more enjoyable, yes.

I don't want to link up with a bunch of idiots posting pictures and trying to be funny. If I want to see that I can search twitter for the game name and enjoy pages and pages of opinions I don't care about.

You seem to have a very narrow-minded (and negative) opinion of NeoGAF

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Neither of those two games are proper sf games.

Neither is Prime to you which you know, kind of makes your points hold less water than they already wouldn't.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Its a place where I can ask opinions, have someone help me out with something, share my experiences, learn new things and organize online play-sessions. So yes, yes it does improve my gaming experience.



You should give Wii U online games the credit they deserve if an OS based community service makes your social experience more enjoyable, yes.



You seem to have a very narrow-minded (and negative) opinion of NeoGAF

This post is just insane. I'm bailing out of talking to you because you don't seem to understand the content of words.

 

[Pachterballs]

Neither is Prime to you which you know, kind of makes your points hold less water than they already wouldn't.

the metroid prime games (well 1 was great) are decent. they need to go back to doing 2D ones though.

 

[MYE]

To me it seems like you're all ignoring the fact that Miiverse may have uses, but that Nintendo's online network is missing basic features I expect and I consider them vastly more important. My objection isn't the existence if Miiverse, it's the omission of more important things.

Then stop calling something you clearly dont know enough about, a thing you obviously dont know the meaning of, just because you're pissed off at a completely unrelated service.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I don't entirely feel like knocking Miiverse, because I do understand that a number of users really like it. And as such, I think it's implementation deserves whatever kudos the userbase wants to give it. But having said that, I personally rarely use it and hardly think it makes up for proper online infrastructure that I'm accustomed to having on other platforms.

Then stop calling something you clearly dont know enough about, a thing you obviously dont know the meaning of, just because you're pissed off at a completely unrelated service.

I could be mistaken about this, and if so, I apologize. But I thought I recalled at one point noticing that you didn't own a Wii U. Is my memory failing me on this one? And if not, have you bought one since the last time I noted this?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

the metroid prime games (well 1 was great) are decent. they need to go back to doing 2D ones though.

I'd be all for a console 2D Metroid but I don't see it happening.

Consoles are usually for flashy and big budgets and big impact and the portables often get the oldschool styles.

I know there have been big series like Mario in 2D for consoles but I'd be surprised if it happens with a series like Metroid.

2D with the power could be amazing though.

 

[prwxv3]

Their games are still amazing and I am really looking forward to the future WiiU games just announced. But Iwata deserves shit for the terrible WiiU account and online systems. If they cant do it themselves they need to hire someone who can. They have had this entire generation to look at Sony's and Microsoft's fuckups and success regarding their own online systems and take notes. There is no excuse.

 

[royalan]

Not to attempt to agree with Brera, however I think Nintendo software woes are more a result of Miyamoto meddling with all teams to push his perspective for games and Iwata giving him to much free reign.

I agree with this.

As time goes on and gaming evolves Miyamoto's philosophy on gaming becomes increasingly stagnant and should only be applied to his own games.

The days of betting the whole kit and kaboodle on Miyamoto's vision should be long over.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Then stop calling something you clearly dont know enough about, a thing you obviously dont know the meaning of, just because you're pissed off at a completely unrelated service.

Stop being offended at the word gimmick when it's a perfect description of the product. If you don't know what gimmick means, I'm sorry.

 

[prwxv3]

I agree with this.

As time goes on and gaming evolves Miyamoto's philosophy on gaming becomes increasingly stagnant and should only be applied to his own games.

The days of betting the whole kit and kaboodle on Miyamoto's vision should be long over.

And this. Miyamoto should only be involved in his own projects. Paper Mario Sticker star is a great example of him messing a game up (its still a good game though).

 

[MYE]

I could be mistaken about this, and if so, I apologize. But I thought I recalled at one point noticing that you didn't own a Wii U. Is my memory failing me on this one? And if not, have you bought one since the last time I noted this?

I dont own one. I'm waiting for more personal must-have games to justify the purchase.
I'm informed of how it works through first hand experience and "research" though. Like I always am about devices I'm considering buying.

And this. Miyamoto should only be involved in his own projects. Paper Mario Sticker star is a great example of him messing a game up (its still a good game though).

What about when his ideas result in brilliant games? Like Super Mario Galaxy for example
Defining him over one (subjective) bad call is just silly.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I dont own one. I'm waiting for more personal must-have games to justify the purchase.
I'm informed of how it works through first hand experience and "research" though. Like I always am about devices I'm considering buying.

Okay, then let's go back to this quote again.

Then stop calling something you clearly dont know enough about, a thing you obviously dont know the meaning of, just because you're pissed off at a completely unrelated service.

I could be mistaken -- but I've gathered that Dave Meltzer owns a Wii U. Just like we can with any piece of software, we can argue until the cows come home about subjective opinions of quality. However, if we're going to accuse someone of ignorance, it carries more weight when there's legitimate expertise that one can reference. And when it comes to expertise, I would defer to someone who owns the console and has already invested money in it over someone who is merely a fan but otherwise has no stake in the matter.

Now, if I'm wrong about Dave's ownership, I'll just chime in that I've had one since launch. I don't know if I'd word my opinion as harshly or as confrontational as he does, but I don't think his assessment is off base. It's a service that's not for everyone. I don't think its appeal is universal in the least, or makes up for deficiencies elsewhere in the network. But, again, I'm not interested in objectively assessing its worth. I'll happily defer to popular public opinion on that (and no, I don't just mean the public that are avid users of Miiverse).

 

[Dave Meltzer]

In the interest of truth and openness, I don't own a Wii U.

 

[MYE]

Okay, then let's go back to this quote again.



I could be mistaken -- but I've gathered that Dave Meltzer owns a Wii U. Just like we can with any piece of software, we can argue until the cows come home about subjective opinions of quality. However, if we're going to accuse someone of ignorance, it carries more weight when there's legitimate expertise that one can reference. And when it comes to expertise, I would defer to someone who owns the console and has already invested money in it over someone who is merely a fan but otherwise has no stake in the matter.

Now, if I'm wrong about Dave's ownership, I'll just chime in that I've had one since launch. I don't know if I'd word my opinion as harshly or as confrontational as he does, but I don't think his assessment is off base. It's a service that's not for everyone. I don't think its appeal is universal in the least, or makes up for deficiencies elsewhere in the network. But, again, I'm not interested in objectively assessing its worth. I'll happily defer to popular public opinion on that (and no, I don't just mean the public that are avid users of Miiverse).

I knew where you were going with this and please go read my posts again.
I never said Miiverse was for everyone. I never said he cant have issues with Miiverse, and I never said his complaints of how nintendo's online works were not valid.

But I dont have to own a Wii U to point out that complaining about NiN's shittiness and using Miiverse as an example of that doesnt make sense. NiN IS pretty flawed , but not because of Miiverse.

 

[Darryl]

To me it seems like you're all ignoring the fact that Miiverse may have uses, but that Nintendo's online network is missing basic features I expect and I consider them vastly more important. My objection isn't the existence if Miiverse, it's the omission of more important things.

I dunno, i can't think of anything else I'd want to do with it online. Maybe it's because I do a lot of PC gaming and some of those features are no longer exciting bullet points to me.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

One would assume there's a limited amount of time and resources dedicated to Nintendo's online, and that Miiverse was given priority over simply trying to feature match XBL and PSN. So my objection is Iwata's priority to this service which is focusing on accessibility and novelty rather than what I consider to be the essential components of a modern online system. I don't think this is an especially controversial or complicated opinion, yet I'm repeating the same thing over and over.