Asahi: PlayStation 4 to be over 40,000 yen

$400 is too expensive no matter what people on GAF think.

That pricepoint will not bring enough sales and that will hamper third party support big time.

Sony needs to bring it down to $350 at least.

if my home console costs $350 at release/launch i'm gonna think its made up of some pretty weak shit.
 
Have you not seen Killzone, or Tearaway, or Soul Sacrifice? Sony is definitely having more games out this year that are unannounced, as well as some sort of price drop.

Nintendo can't get Animal Crossing a concrete release date, release proper colors in the US, or give the system a proper online system by 2013 standards. Lost your 3DS? Oh, well you lost your digital downloads, too!

Killzone is going to do jack shit for the Vita. Tearaway will probably be similarly useless to the Vita's future. Soul Sacrifice might have mattered had it come out last year.

The Vita is not shifting the numbers it needs to survive with games like those. But hey, maybe one of those ends up being a miracle title. But praying for a miracle is not something you hang your hat on when talking about a platform's future.

Speaking of Animal Crossing, it has sold probably 3 million units in Japan and is completely dominating the market over there.

And the mass market has shown that having a "proper online system by 2013 standards" is something they don't give a shit about, and that they're not worried about losing their 3DS. What matters is having top-tier multi-million selling software. The kind of thing Vita simply doesn't have and likely never will.
 
$400 = £400 in Sony language sadly.
Why if I recall Sony don't do that anymore, the Vita was $249 for the Wifi and was selling here for for £209 and PS3 $599 >>>£425
£349 max I reckon
 
Was hoping it would cost 349 since the performance jump isn't as high as it would be (its more like 2011 tech than 2013)
 
We don't have federal government, and you must have been at a warehouse store. If you were on a high street they just saw you coming mate.

It is illegal for consumer facing stores to advertise prices without VAT included. It has been for years.

Wait wait wait. So Cameron and the Cosrvative/Lib Dems are not a national government? What form of government is it? Central and Federal are effectively the same thing, we'd be taking semantics otherwise.
 
anything about $399 is too much and will backfire in the USA. even $450 is too much. $499 would put them back in the same situation as the PS3. they need to sell consoles and selling it at $399 is the max you can go in the USA.
 
$400 is too expensive no matter what people on GAF think.

That pricepoint will not bring enough sales and that will hamper third party support big time.

Sony needs to bring it down to $350 at least.

$400 didn't hinder the sales of the 360 at launch. Though to remain competitive it'd be wise to have a $300 PS4 option that is subsidized with a plus/gaikai membership.
 
Killzone is going to do jack shit for the Vita. Tearaway will probably be similarly useless to the Vita's future. Soul Sacrifice might have mattered had it come out last year.

The Vita is not shifting the numbers it needs to survive with games like those.

Speaking of Animal Crossing, it has sold probably 3 million units in Japan and is completely dominating the market over there.

And the mass market has shown that having a "proper online system by 2013 standards" is something they don't give a shit about, and that they're not worried about losing their 3DS. What matters is having top-tier multi-million selling software. The kind of thing Vita simply doesn't have and likely never will.

Vita is doing fine & depending on how they integrate it with the PS4 and how successful the PS4 is, it could have another 5 years of life.

Yes it is nice that Nintendo is selling lots of 3DS in Japan, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for a small player in the handheld market. You know, like how there is room for products like those from Linn Audio, even though they will never dominate home audio?
 
That makes zero sense. They released it for the same price as the 3DS, despite it being more expensive to make. Everyone literally gasped in shock when they announced it was $250 because it was so much lower than they expected.

Well, the Vita isn't truly $250 considering you need to buy a proprietary memory card.

And also, consider how the 3DS was met when it was at that price. Nintendo is as guilty as Sony in that regard. That price just will not agree with the consumers for a handheld. But unlike Nintendo, Sony is either refusing, or can't afford a price drop on the Vita.
 
That's something I hate about buying in Britain, in fact most of the world, is the VAT, sales tax, GST etc isn't included in any pricing. In Australia you can't advertise without GST included. In the states I understand because each state has its own sales tax. But Britain and Europe should be unified nation wide because there is only federal government.

Yeah, that's absolute rubbish. VAT has been included in pricing by law for decades. You sometimes see products aimed at corporate buyers with an addition excluding VAT price, as companies don't pay VAT.

But all UK retail and online stores have always included VAT in their pricing.
 
Wait wait wait. So Cameron and the Cosrvative/Lib Dems are not a national government? What form of government is it? Central and Federal are effectively the same thing, we'd be taking semantics otherwise.

They are the government of the UK. But then the UK is made up of N. Ireland, Wales, England and Scotland, and N.Ireland, Scotland and Wales have their own governments as well with varying powers.
 
Killzone is going to do jack shit for the Vita. Tearaway will probably be similarly useless to the Vita's future. Soul Sacrifice might have mattered had it come out last year.

The Vita is not shifting the numbers it needs to survive with games like those. But hey, maybe one of those ends up being a miracle title. But praying for a miracle is not something you hang your hat on when talking about a platform's future.

Speaking of Animal Crossing, it has sold probably 3 million units in Japan and is completely dominating the market over there.

And the mass market has shown that having a "proper online system by 2013 standards" is something they don't give a shit about, and that they're not worried about losing their 3DS. What matters is having top-tier multi-million selling software. The kind of thing Vita simply doesn't have and likely never will.

Yeah I'm sure Nintendo is thrilled to be selling so many 3DS units and have the Wii U almost selling below Vita.
 
Vita is doing fine
No, not really.

& depending on how they integrate it with the PS4 and how successful the PS4 is, it could have another 5 years of life.
Eh... I really doubt it, but whatever.

Yes it is nice that Nintendo is selling lots of 3DS in Japan, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for a small player in the handheld market. You know, like how there is room for products like those from Linn Audio, even though they will never dominate home audio?

The difference is Linn Audio doesn't have to worry about content being made for its platform to function. Sony is at serious risk of being responsible for the vast majority of any software on the platform, and their first party isn't strong enough to shoulder that burden. Combine that with attentions being paid to the upcoming PS4 release which is orders of magnitude more important for the company's future, and the more likely scenario we see is Sony quietly cutting support for the Vita and the platform fading into obscurity.


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Yeah I'm sure Nintendo is thrilled to be selling so many 3DS units and have the Wii U almost selling below Vita.
What does the Wii U's problems have to do with Vita? Or were you just hoping that a slam on Nintendo would somehow change the subject?
 
Vita is doing fine & depending on how they integrate it with the PS4 and how successful the PS4 is, it could have another 5 years of life.

Yes it is nice that Nintendo is selling lots of 3DS in Japan, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for a small player in the handheld market. You know, like how there is room for products like those from Linn Audio, even though they will never dominate home audio?

Cmon man, the vita is on all sorts. I'm love my Play station but the vita just isn't ticking my fancy at the moment. Mainly because it's future isn't looking assured. Now of there is sweet integration with the PS4, and gets good software support.... Then I'll buy one.
 
Japan pricing when converted to US is always higher than actual US pricing, so if true this nails down the magic $399 price point many are wanting. Let's see if it is true, but I bet that is the price Sony is targeting for sure.
 
Yeah I'm sure Nintendo is thrilled to be selling so many 3DS units and have the Wii U almost selling below Vita.

What in the world does Wii U have to do with the conversation that's being had. It's a complete non sequitur.

Japan pricing when converted to US is always higher than actual US pricing, so if true this nails down the magic $399 price point many are wanting. Let's see if it is true, but I bet that is the price Sony is targeting for sure.

The yen is falling. Parity may be possible.
 
The N64/GameCube we're more powerful than the PS1/PS2 yet it was $100 cheaper than them, cheaper prices doesn't automatically mean weak tech.

They also didn't feature any media capabilities (CD/DVD) and no BC either, oh and both of them launched 1 year later too.
 
Wait wait wait. So Cameron and the Cosrvative/Lib Dems are not a national government? What form of government is it? Central and Federal are effectively the same thing, we'd be taking semantics otherwise.

The coalition control the House of Commons which has primacy in the UK. However, because of the devolution bill in 1998, Scotland and Northern Ireland pretty much run their own affairs from stuff like Law and Justice to education. England and Wales are centrally run by Westminster almost fully. The VAT rate of 20% is set centrally, and like Australia all bills require royal assent from the Queen (or in Australia's case, her representative). A Federal government is quite the opposite, where states/local government have much, much more power, and in the US there is not a single policy that covers sales tax so prices are set exclusive of any state level taxes, because it could be like Oregon (0%) or California (7.5%). Federal government is a much more decentralised system than what we have in the UK. Local government in the UK is nowhere near as powerful as state government in the US.
 
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I was honestly expecting them to start lower like 35,000 yen ... and go for the Torne / Hulu angle

I honestly can't see what will get people other than hardcore gamers in Japan off their butts and buying a system, so many mainstream people have more than enough to do with their phone and even if they have a system they likely have a 3DS...if the Vita's beautiful screen and superior graphics weren't enough to get them moving, any console will be a similar struggle unless there is something non-game like Torne that hooks them (remember PS2 did have some success being billed as a DVD player)
 
They are the government of the UK. But then the UK is made up of N. Ireland, Wales, England and Scotland, and N.Ireland, Scotland and Wales have their own governments as well with varying powers.

So are the N Irish, Scottish and Welsh governments answerable to the queen or the British government?
 
I paid for AUS$450 for my slim, would be happy to spend that again on a 4. Though I imagine it will be closer to AUS$600 once that Australia tax is applied even though the Aussie dollar is worth slightly more than the US at the moment.
 
Well for starters, this is just what Asahi Shimbun thinks it's going to cost.
There's no way Sony has decided at this point.

Also, let's not forget the PS3 was originally announced as 62790 yen for the 20gb model and got a 10,000+ yen price cut just before it launched in Japan. The 60gb was model was announced as open price.
 
So are the N Irish, Scottish and Welsh governments answerable to the queen of the British government?

Dude, give it a rest.

You're wrong about sale tax in the UK, and you highlighted your lack of knowledge about various types of governmental systems.
 
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