State of the Union 2013 |OT| less exciting than a cabin in Big Bear

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Black Mamba said:
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Much love for my home state (WA).
 
I already make 9.00 an hour, it's still tough. But I guess minimum wage always will be. Business owners will just take it as another excuse to raise prices or cut hours, unfortunately, leading us right back to where we are now.
 
demon said:
Aren't there already regulations on unpaid internship that get broken all over the place with no consequences?
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Yep. covert work without pay is slavery by definition, but the modern rebranding is "internship" because supposedly you get "experience". it's a joke that employers take advantage of all the time
 
If they raise minimum wage, I'd hope they'd do something to offset the advantage it gives major retailers over small independent businesses. Walmart can handle the expense where smaller businesses have to lay off people, sometimes.
 
C4Lukins said:
I like most of the ideas, but just about everything he has said involves higher spending, and zero income into the government outside of raising taxes for old rich people. Oh and we are going to bring US company production back to the US and not overseas how? Because Apple is going to make a computer out of all US parts while the vast majority of their business is still overseas. Pre-School increased level of education, colleges somehow reducing costs, health care reform, renewable energy projects, immigration education and reform. He is hitting every Utopian point. Oh and he is fixing domestic violence, and women equality wages for females, which I agree with, but again is another thing that makes running a business more expensive. Oh and minimum wage raise to 9 dollars an hour, again something that will hurt local business.
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A better economy increases revenue and lowers deficits. Government spending doesn't always create deficits and cutting spending doesn't always lower them ( see Europe).
 
Minimum wage does not hurt businesses. I don't know why Americans treat their own so poorly but those making minimum wage are some of the best transactional consumers as they are not investing in their homes and retirement. So you increase minimum wage, and those transactional consumers are spending more money, thus those local businesses make the money back that they are spending on their employees. You create an economic upturn cycle.

Everyone wins. Trickle down economics DOES NOT FUCKING WORK.* Man, why can't Americans get that through their head.

This is coming from a Canadian who is happy to pay a bit more in taxes because his government ensures all Canadian citizens have a better quality of life.

*Except for the top end
 
Belfast said:
I already make 9.00 an hour, it's still tough. But I guess minimum wage always will be. Business owners will just take it as another excuse to raise prices or cut hours, unfortunately, leading us right back to where we are now.
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Higher prices, higher tax revenues.

More revenues more social services. Ideally



Indirect drone talk? Holy shit.
 
demon said:
Aren't there already regulations on unpaid internship that get broken all over the place with no consequences? It is fucking ridiculous though. Kids get out of college with unprecedented amounts of debt, and they get the privilege of working for some corporation for free. Fuck them and fuck that.
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Yep. This happens all the time. You're got supposed to get any work done by interns that would've been handled by an employee, but they're essentially treated as legal slaves.
 
xnipx said:
If their business model revolves around paying lower than living wages to their employees they don't deserve to exist. Good riddance
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You have no idea at all on how a business is run right? The impact that even an additional 50 cents can have? Not every start up business can afford to pay $15 to every employee..... Its just logic, basic stuff.
 
bounchfx said:
Yay minimum wage increase! That's great until it basically means everything will cost more for everyone after that day.
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Except you know thats not actually how it works right?

You know theres a shit ton of data because every year states raise the minimum at different rates right?

And all the data shows the impact on prices is minimal....and on some cases prices actually lower?

I mean, put it like this. Outside of Hawaii, Alaska and Manhattan, most chains manage uniform pricing around the country, even though the min wage goes from 7.25 to 10+. And For those exceptions, wage isnt the issue, rent or transport is.
 
xnipx said:
If their business model revolves around paying lower than living wages to their employees they don't deserve to exist. Good riddance
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Pretty much this. At least if they are legally working full time, 40 hours a week.

Relix said:
You have no idea at all on how a business is run right? The impact that even an additional 50 cents can have? Not every start up business can afford to pay $15 to every employee..... Its just logic, basic stuff.
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Except this isn't $15 an hour, it's $9. And that's also why you either take out a loan, have some venture capital, or just don't start the business. Your employees should not be shouldering the risk of your business. If your business model doesn't involving paying your employees enough for them to actually live than you have an unethical business model, on a level no different than a chinese nike factory or sweat shop.
 
Relix said:
9 an hour would destroy many small businesses
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lol, no

If your business is destroyed because your worker now needs a buck seventy five more, then you're running a shit business. Your worker really should be making you way more profit per hour than that. Come on.

I work for a small business that pays all of us good money and great healthcare. There's really no excuse in my mind.
 
MThanded said:
"Women should earn a living equal to their efforts and finally pass the paycheck fairness act this year"
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Hey, there are women voting against the Violence Against Women Act.
 
Relix said:
You have no idea at all on how a business is run right? The impact that even an additional 50 cents can have? Not every start up business can afford to pay $15 to every employee..... Its just logic, basic stuff.
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Too bad? If your business model doesn't work without paying employees a living wage, you shouldn't be in business. Sounds logical to me.
 
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