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NVIDIA to release GeForce Titan

If there is info on where to find it, I *will* post it here.

Was just offering to grab one for Rayge if the limit is one per buyer since he needed two.
 
mkenyon said:
Looking like $899 is almost guaranteed to be the price.
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That's great. I just finished telling my cohort that I wasn't biting if the price was over $1000. I can't wait to put blocks on two of those bad boys. I want to hurry up and put this build together. Almost don't want to follow through with do it yourself sleeving. Still waiting to hear back from Corsair about the compatibility of their AX850 cables with the AX860.

Do I need to give myself a little more headroom than AX860?
 
Deepo said:
I have a 690. Please convince me that I don't need a Titan. Thank you.

Help
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Well, keep in mind there hasn't been any tests done yet - and by the time there are reviews out and tests with performance, this card will be sold out. So that in mind, if all the rumors/ specs are true, this won't be a better performance than a 690*

So unless you plan on getting a second Titan - you could be downgrading (sort of read below).

THAT SAID:

* Performance is subjective (to a degree). Do you notice microstutter? Even though a dual card like 690 or an SLI of two cards might have better performance by numbers, some prefer a single card GPU. If you are someone that notices microstutter, and you find yourself having issues with SLI profiles - then getting a Titan might be for you.

Reasons you might get a Titan (in your case):

I. If you notice microstutter, or don't like SLI profiles (and find you have more issues with them than you normally would).

II. You want that 6gb of ram, because of downsampling or looking at games in the future that MIGHT push over 4gb (but we won't know until 2014).

But honestly, if you are planning on getting ONE Titan - it's kind of a gamble. It might under perform a 690 - it might not. No one really knows (but signs point toward it being under 690). Again - keeping in mind all the things I said above (if you notice microstutter with your 690, if you want 6gb of ram - those things might outweigh the 690 having a technically better performance. Again, performance to a degree is subjective.)

What resolution are you gaming at - btw?
 
Catatonic said:
Well, keep in mind there hasn't been any tests done yet - and by the time there are reviews out and tests with performance, this card will be sold out. So that in mind, if all the rumors/ specs are true, this won't be a better performance than a 690*

So unless you plan on getting a second Titan - you could be downgrading (sort of read below).

THAT SAID:

* Performance is subjective (to a degree). Do you notice microstutter? Even though a dual card like 690 or an SLI of two cards might have better performance by numbers, some prefer a single card GPU. If you are someone that notices microstutter, and you find yourself having issues with SLI profiles - then getting a Titan might be for you.

Reasons you might get a Titan (in your case):

I. If you notice microstutter, or don't like SLI profiles (and find you have more issues with them than you normally would).

II. You want that 6gb of ram, because of downsampling or looking at games in the future that MIGHT push over 4gb (but we won't know until 2014).

But honestly, if you are planning on getting ONE Titan - it's kind of a gamble. It might under perform a 690 - it might not. No one really knows (but signs point toward it being under 690). Again - keeping in mind all the things I said above (if you notice microstutter with your 690, if you want 6gb of ram - those things might outweigh the 690 having a technically better performance. Again, performance to a degree is subjective.)

What resolution are you gaming at - btw?
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Thanks for a great answer, I'm almost convinced! :)

I think I'm very sensitive to microstuttering, but I haven't noticed any in a while, especially not on the 310 and 313 drivers. Sometimes it feels like the term microstuttering is thrown around without people really agreeing on what actually IS microstuttering. (Kind of like the way the word lag is sometimes used to describe low frame rates. That gets my blood boiling) But the promise of almost equal performance without worrying about SLI is absolutely what's making me think about switching.

SLI usually works just fine, but I have had some bad experiences around the launch of some high profile games. Running SLI usually means you are more concerned about high IQ, which again means you're more likely to notice problems like microstuttering. Alan Wake is the last release I remember where I really wish i wasn't relying on SLI. Had some issues with Far Cry 3 and Sleeping Dogs as well, but I'm not 100% sure they were SLI related.

But that's also a thing, SLI brings the doubt. The doubt that a problem is because you're running SLI. So then you have to turn it off and do some tests, and before you know it, you've played the start of the game 15 times because you're trying to identify a problem. That has really killed a few games for me.

Heat and noise is certainly a concern, and is a big part of why I went with the 690 in the first place. My desktop is in the living room, so a high WAF is very important. I also am running a Z77 mobo, which means I'll be starved for PCI-Express channels if I wanted to SLI the Titan at some point.

I almost don't want to say what resolution I'm gaming at, in fear of getting abused by PC GAF. My monitor is only 1080P, because I don't want to be required to run stuff at 1440p or higher just to be at native res. I'd rather be sure that I can make 60fps, and downsample from 4K just for fun :) I also run a 120hz screen sometimes, and then the 690 really shines.
 
Deepo said:
Thanks for a great answer, I'm almost convinced! :)

I think I'm very sensitive to microstuttering, but I haven't noticed any in a while, especially not on the 310 and 313 drivers. Sometimes it feels like the term microstuttering is thrown around without people really agreeing on what actually IS microstuttering. (Kind of like the way the word lag is sometimes used to describe low frame rates. That gets my blood boiling) But the promise of almost equal performance without worrying about SLI is absolutely what's making me think about switching.

SLI usually works just fine, but I have had some bad experiences around the launch of some high profile games. Running SLI usually means you are more concerned about high IQ, which again means you're more likely to notice problems like microstuttering. Alan Wake is the last release I remember where I really wish i wasn't relying on SLI. Had some issues with Far Cry 3 and Sleeping Dogs as well, but I'm not 100% sure they were SLI related.

But that's also a thing, SLI brings the doubt. The doubt that a problem is because you're running SLI. So then you have to turn it off and do some tests, and before you know it, you've played the start of the game 15 times because you're trying to identify a problem. That has really killed a few games for me.

Heat and noise is certainly a concern, and is a big part of why I went with the 690 in the first place. My desktop is in the living room, so a high WAF is very important. I also am running a Z77 mobo, which means I'll be starved for PCI-Express channels if I wanted to SLI the Titan at some point.

I almost don't want to say what resolution I'm gaming at, in fear of getting abused by PC GAF. My monitor is only 1080P, because I don't want to be required to run stuff at 1440p or higher just to be at native res. I'd rather be sure that I can make 60fps, and downsample from 4K just for fun :) I also run a 120hz screen sometimes, and then the 690 really shines.
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Well, I think the thing is - let's say Titan doesn't end up performing to the same levels of 690. You have to take into consideration the pros: I. No SLI profiles (which means less chance of having any issues on launch date). II. No microstuttering. III. 6gb of Ram for downsampling, and a nice cushion for the future of gaming.

The only thing is - and again, Titan might technically not perform the same level of 690. So you might get lower FPS on some games then you are now. Again, no one knows - until there is proper tests done (and again, you won't see any of that until the thing is already sold out lol). So take what I say (in regards to performance) with a grain of salt.

So I would just look at the pros and cons.

On the flip side, if you have the money - what's the worst that happens? You tie up your money for a couple weeks? Meaning, you try it out, don't like it. So you sell it to someone else. I guarantee you someone would buy it off you at full price, if you really didn't want it.

EDIT: There is nothing wrong with gaming at 1080p. The only thing some will say is - if you are gaming at 1080p, cards in this upper tier might be overkill. But again, usually when people say that - they aren't taking into consideration that someone might be downsampling + using texture mods etc. They are assuming the person getting the card, is just going to max the settings out in game. Also, usually when people say that - they aren't trying to be dicks. They are actually trying to save the person money, because often people just blindly go into this hobby buying whatever they think is the best, rather than what would actually satisfy their needs/setup. Some people have a strict budget and will over-spend. That said, if you already know what you want - and your own needs, then who cares what others think. Just get whatever pleases you and fills your needs. It's your money. :)

But yeah, if you are gaming at 1080, I can't imagine you will have any issues with a Titan (in terms of performance). You just have to consider the above pros, and if that's something you think is worth spending money on. For some it isn't. For others it is.
 
LabouredSubterfuge said:
My understanding was that the 600 series has considerably less problems with micro-stuttering. Not that it is completely eradicated mind.
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We had this discussion a couple pages back. It's an interesting discussion. Personally, I have not noticed Microstuttering on my 680 SLIs. But as others have said - just because I don't notice it, doesn't mean they don't.

So it's always going to be that debate that never ends. Some people just don't like SLI setups, and microstuttering bothers them. The possibility that something could have that, is a dealbreaker to them. Based on everything I've read, and just what I know - I personally think the 600 series (and Nvidia) in general, have cut down on MS. But that's just me.

You can find plenty of tests, and people giving personal experiences with 600 series SLI's having this issue. So it basically just comes down to the individual.
 
Catatonic said:
Well, I think the thing is - let's say Titan doesn't end up performing to the same levels of 690. You have to take into consideration the pros: I. No SLI profiles (which means less chance of having any issues on launch date). II. No microstuttering. III. 6gb of Ram for downsampling, and a nice cushion for the future of gaming.

The only thing is - and again, Titan might technically not perform the same level of 690. So you might get lower FPS on some games then you are now. Again, no one knows - until there is proper tests done (and again, you won't see any of that until the thing is already sold out lol). So take what I say (in regards to performance) with a grain of salt.

So I would just look at the pros and cons.

On the flip side, if you have the money - what's the worst that happens? You tie up your money for a couple weeks? Meaning, you try it out, don't like it. So you sell it to someone else. I guarantee you someone would buy it off you at full price, if you really didn't want it.

EDIT: There is nothing wrong with gaming at 1080p. The only thing some will say is - if you are gaming at 1080p, cards in this upper tier might be overkill. But again, usually when people say that - they aren't taking into consideration that someone might be downsampling + using texture mods etc. They are assuming the person getting the card, is just going to max the settings out in game. Also, usually when people say that - they aren't trying to be dicks. They are actually trying to save the person money, because often people just blindly go into this hobby buying whatever they think is the best, rather than what would actually satisfy their needs/setup. Some people have a strict budget and will over-spend. That said, if you already know what you want - and your own needs, then who cares what others think. Just get whatever pleases you and fills your needs. It's your money. :)

But yeah, if you are gaming at 1080, I can't imagine you will have any issues with a Titan (in terms of performance). You just have to consider the above pros, and if that's something you think is worth spending money on. For some it isn't. For others it is.
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Ok, thanks for the thorough answer! Lots of things to think about. I'm certainly not going to buy a Titan before I see some benches, and by then, as you say, it'll probably be sold out anyway. I've also been extremely happy with the 690 running the newest 313 beta, so my desire for a single card solution has lessened quite a lot over the last week or so. I'm also FINALLY able to run Rage on the 690 with GPU trancoding for faster texture streaming. Not that important according to a lot of people, but it has been my white whale for quite a while.
 
Catatonic said:
We had this discussion a couple pages back. It's an interesting discussion. Personally, I have not noticed Microstuttering on my 680 SLIs. But as others have said - just because I don't notice it, doesn't mean they don't.

So it's always going to be that debate that never ends. Some people just don't like SLI setups, and microstuttering bothers them. The possibility that something could have that, is a dealbreaker to them. Based on everything I've read, and just what I know - I personally think the 600 series (and Nvidia) in general, have cut down on MS. But that's just me.

You can find plenty of tests, and people giving personal experiences with 600 series SLI's having this issue. So it basically just comes down to the individual.
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What about SLI vs. CF in regards to MS?

I bought a 7970 a few weeks ago and it bothers me that I'm not able to play every game on the highest settings at 1440p.
 
Something from the official slides

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Sethos said:
Something from the official slides

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Wow, these sites are going to get shit-canned by Nvidia. Don't see the benefit, frankly. You gain a few extra hits for a few days, but lose all support from Nvidia and the AICs in the long run?

Durante said:
Last time I saw an in-depth analysis, CF performed worse than SLI w.r.t. micro stuttering.
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Most sites agree with this assessment, and AMD has other issues with frame rendering times: http://techreport.com/review/24218/a-driver-update-to-reduce-radeon-frame-times As the article says, though, they have to address these frame rendering problems one game at a time until they implement a larger fix, so if I were you I'd definitely avoid AMD if multi-GPU is your interest.
 
Sethos said:
According to http://www.nordichardware.se/Grafik/nvidia-lanserar-geforce-gtx-titan-den-21-februari.html

Feb 19: Specifications and Pictures allowed to be shown.
Feb 21: NDA is up for reviews and the card goes on sale ...

Please tell me it isn't true.

EDIT: Also something here, launch postponed: http://videocardz.com/39662/nvidia-...al-slides-leaked-launch-postponed-to-feb-19th
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My heart just shattered. I pulled some strings to be able to stay on base for this release. So the card will be on sale on the 21st? If so I have 24 hour duty again here so I'll still be able to make my purchase.

Sethos said:
Fake review or broken NDA

http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=955&page=0

EDIT: "What we ended up with is a performance prediction for an absolute monster of a graphics card." Nevermind then.
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Or they put prediction to cover their asses maybe?


If those charts are real then $900 looks like it will be more than worth it.
 
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http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/graphics-cards/1297972/nvidia-gtx-titan-graphics-card-announced



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fake edit : LOL page got pulled :D

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PR bullshit below :

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Nvidia has detailed its latest high end graphics card, the GTX Titan, confirming its existence with some impressive numbers that should cement its position as the world's fastest GPU.

Built around the GK110 Tesla technology first used in the Titan supercomputer - hence the name - the GTX Titan is Nvidia's most powerful graphics card to date, with a whopping 2,688 CUDA cores and 7.1 billion transistors, which produce 4,500 Gigaflops of processing power. Each card comes with 6GB of GDDR5 RAM, running along a 384-bit interface which should be more than sufficient for playing the latest games at above HD resolution. It's DirextX 11.1 compatible, so should support all the latest graphics tweaks such as tessellation, and Nvidia's own PhysX physics effects.

Designed as a single-GPU replacement for the current top-end GTX 690, which is actually two GTX 680 cores bolted to one PCB, the GTX Titan promises improved performance while using less power and producing less heat. A redesigned cooler with an extended aluminium heat stack dissipates heat faster than Nvidia's current design, while the 90mm fan is tied to both RPM and voltage control to more accurately determine when to kick in. With a TDP of 250w, you'll certainly need it.

SLI is fully supported, so if you have a capable power supply and bottomless pockets you could potentially run multiple Titans for high frame rates even at multi-monitor resolutions. Although Nvidia has yet to share exact benchmark results, some rough figures suggest games like Crysis 3, Far Cry 3 and Max Payne 3 can expect roughly twice the performance over a GTX690 setup.

Perhaps more exciting news is the addition of GPU Boost 2.0, an evolution of the software introduced with Nvidia's 600-series graphics cards. Built into the video driver, GPU Boost 2.0 will let Titan owners overclock and olvervolt their cards, with higher limits than with previous cards and optimisations for water-cooling setups.

It will also allow you to "overclock" your display, running it at a faster sync rate than it officially supports to squeeze out some extra frames per second. As an example, a monitor rated for 60Hz refresh only could run at up to 80Hz, meaning twenty extra frames per second are being displayed.

The one sticking price will almost certainly be the price - Nvidia would only confirm RRP pricing with us today, as it will be up to its hardware partners to set their own prices when the cards launch later this week, but you'll easily be paying over £800 per card. We'll have to wait until then to see whether the benchmark scores can back up Nvidia's claims that the Titan is the fastest card around, but the early indications look promising.


performance doesnt look all that exciting ... the new overvolt/boost stuff is pretty cool I guess but other than that ... 30% faster at double the price ? meh (yeah 1080p but still ... not even 60 fps lol)

(now I know why Nvidia doesn't like MSI Lightnings lol)
 
So from all the speculation it looks like the Titan could either be a little bit better, or twice as good as a 680. NDA disaster here.
 
I don't expect to see much in terms of graphs from Nvidia. But when actual reviews hit we'll hopefully see some 680 SLI vs 690 vs Titan comparisons.
 
20-30% faster than a single 680 makes me feel better about my recent purchase. I think adding a second 680 will be a perfectly good upgrade later this year for my current 1080P purposes. Still, god damn.

Think an Antec BP550+ could handle one? Probably cutting it damn close if so
 
Well I guess we won't know the truth until tomorrow. Right now all I'm running games off of is a gtx560m. Luckily we'll get to see benchmarks before the card hits the streets.
 
Zeth said:
20-30% faster than a single 680 makes me feel better about my recent purchase. I think adding a second 680 will be a perfectly good upgrade later this year for my current 1080P purposes. Still, god damn.

Think an Antec BP550+ could handle one? Probably cutting it damn close if so
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It'll be fine for it I'd imagine.
 
it's probably a lot better at huge resolutions/triple screen setups because the memory bandwidth is much higher than the GTX670/80/90, which were always lacking compared to the Radeon 7970

however at lower resolutions (1080p) bandwidth plays less of a role, so only a 30% increase there seems disappointing to me, certainly when a 680 SLI or a 690 can be so much faster in these games with a good SLI profile ...

so my quick take from these press slides is that the Titan's are only interesting for people playing with multimonitor setups or huge amounts of texture mods, and even then you'll probably want to SLI them to get some really nice framerates ...



I'm sort of disappointed because it seems to be far from 690 performance at 1080p (crysis 3 scales pretty well...). At higher resolutions it'll likely do much better, but so did the Radeon's already :p

I guess I expected a bit MOAR POWAR for that price ... 75% more cuda cores =/= 75% more power :(
 
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