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[Manmademan]

Online multiplayer will likely stay free - it's the extras they'll add to PS+ and whatever.

this is my interpretation as well PS+ is very successful as is, it provides a clear contrast to microsoft, and its similar in strategy to the vita online. wouldn't make sense for vita to be free, but ps4 to charge, especially when there will be cross play titles.

 

[ajb1888]

Do have definitive proof that is happening? and would offering it for free be more advantageous than gaining revenue by charging for it?

I don't have definitive proof. I personally would rather not pay for MP gaming and I know many folks with the same mindset.

It makes sense to me that the more consumer friendly your product, the more consumers would buy that product.. Charging for online play would gain revenue, sure. But would that come at too much of a cost in terms of less folks buying your console? Well.. that's the question I guess lol.

 

[neptunes]

this is my interpretation as well PS+ is very successful as is, it provides a clear contrast to microsoft, and its similar in strategy to the vita online. wouldn't make sense for vita to be free, but ps4 to charge, especially when there will be cross play titles.

Cross play between PS4 and Vita? Where did you hear that?

I don't have definitive proof. I personally would rather not pay for MP gaming and I know many folks with the same mindset.

It makes sense to me that the more consumer friendly your product, the more consumers would buy that product.. Charging for online play would gain revenue, sure. But would that come at too much of a cost in terms of less folks buying your console? Well.. that's the question I guess lol.

If they charge for online MP, what will you end up doing? What choices do you have? Especially of you genuinely enjoy Sony's IPs.

A lot of people are going to just end up paying, regardless of how opposed they are to it at first. Which is what Sony hopes ,

 

[UberTag]

This post is ridiculous.

To whom would Sony lose the Japanese market?

Outside of Final Fantasy XIII (which already saw substantially diminished returns for XIII-2), there has been no HD-console market in Japan. Not a single million-seller.

By that measure the only answer to your question is they would lose it to the 3DS. Just like every other platform has. 3DS "one console future" has already taken over in Japan.

 

[Servbot24]

I swear to god that is the cherry on top if 70$ norm was announced..

God. I know people say this all the time and it's kind of a joke, but I am retro/indie gaming only if $70 becomes the norm.

 

[Giant Panda]

And very little of it actually addresses what I said, or my main points, which is explaining to you why it is outlandish adn why your inferences have been completely disproved with time. You poorly mounted a defense for determining the state of the PS brand, but that's about it. Your post completely falls about because you were so insistent on it not being hyperbole.

Even though he used some of the wrong reasons he did come to the right conclusion. Since 2006 has been a disaster for Sony. He just placed too much importance on one game when it was just one of a multitude of reasons.

 

[Yokai]

People buy $499 iPads.

Sony always has wanted to be like Apple, but Apple basically killed them.

Walkman. iPod.
Viao. Macbook Pro.

You DO realize that Walkman and iPods were almost completely different generations -- don't you?

Apple wasn't really on the map at all until they made the Ipod, to be quite frank.

 

[shinobi602]

Lol Kotaku. People actually believe this?

Why not? It's from the same source that leaked the Durango and Orbis code names. Kotaku's been pretty good on leaks with the next gen consoles and Wii U, and this source did give them a new pic of the controller.

 

[Manmademan]

Cross play between PS4 and Vita? Where did you hear that?

local multiplayer has been confirmed between ps4 and vita. my interpretation of this is cross play- probably for psn level titles- nothing like killzone 4 or whatever.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Online multiplayer will likely stay free - it's the extras they'll add to PS+ and whatever.

Yup, which is why there has been no damaging leak today to Nikkei from some irate Japanese middle manager that would disagree with a move to paid online.

The cloud stuff, social integration, uploading via the share button, party chat, video chat, following friends and all the new stuff will all be made PS+ only. The stuff that is currently free will probably remain free, otherwise they will have to make it subscription based on PS3 so it doesn't compete with PS4.

 

[pieatorium]

You DO realize that Walkman and iPods were almost completely different generations -- don't you?

Apple wasn't really on the map at all until they made the Ipod, to be quite frank.

Heh yeah the walkman was the ipod before the ipod, everyone had one.

 

[GillianSeed79]

The $429 to $529 price range seems reasonable given that it's supposed to be a high end machine and it falls within range of my expectations that it'd be priced between $450 and $499. I imagine that they'll be probably selling it at a loss, so I doubt they could have priced it $399. I think Microsoft will offer similar price points as well. You have to remember the 360 and PS3 came out like seven years ago. I imagine with inflation the 360s initial $399 SKU price would be about $429 in today's dollars.

My only concern is the rumored sub fee for PS World. If it's like the PS3 where online is free, but you can subscribe to PS Plus for value added content I have no problem with that. If they've turned it into a pay wall like XBLG, I'll probably have an issue. I intend to get both systems, but I doubt I will pay a sub fee for both. If my IRL friends stick with MS next gen, then Durango will probably end up being my online gaming console for playing with friends while the PS4 will be there for just Sony first-party titles, exclusives and any third-party SP multiplats that run better.

 

[DBT85]

Cross play between PS4 and Vita? Where did you hear that?

It's a plainly logical assumption.

 

[enzo_gt]

This mentality that people are eager to see meltdowns and people flipping out is gross.

Why wouldn't I be? It makes for great entertainment; just like megaton exciting announcements do, which I also mentioned.

 

[UberTag]

Meltdowns is one thing, $70 games is another. We won't have enough room on the front page for $70 games lol

Call of Duty shouldn't be priced at $70. It should sell for $80 or more.
Meanwhile, most other games should come in at less than $60.

 

[Xplatformer]

#FiveHundredandTwntyNineUSDollars #Bomba

Definitely won't be that expensive.

Also why is there an ugly and cheap looking third-party peripheral in the OP?

But the DS3 isn't in the OP.

Day one even at $429. Hell, it's coming in November so that leaves people plenty of fucking time to save up.

Better than dualshock but those sticks/triggers are still horrendous.

Have no problem with price though.

I;ll take a 500$ console that has substantial hardware in it over a 300-350$ console that has decade old hardware in it.

Hell yeah. $500 on a console when Nvidia is putting out video cards for just south of $1000 doesn't seem crazy to me.


High end Nvidia card = $900
Top of the line iPad = $599
Wii U = $300
PS4 = $429


Seems just right.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Call of Duty shouldn't be priced at $70. It should sell for $80 or more.
Meanwhile, most other games should come in at less than $60.

cod not worth 80$

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Why not? It's from the same source that leaked the Durango and Orbis code names. Kotaku's been pretty good on leaks with the next gen consoles and Wii U, and this source did give them a new pic of the controller.

Pastebin?

 

[neptunes]

It's a plainly logical assumption.

Based on what? The influx of scalable PS3 ports that came out for the PSP?

The Vita is very much a current gen console, and will probably get more WiiU ports than anything on PS4. This is assuming the WiiU manages to get original 3rd party titles:

 

[Hydrogen]

Damn... New consoles make PCs seem reaally expensive. Similar specs cost like $800 for a much lower performance (if performance/specs ratio continue to be what it was last gen). If you are not an enthusiast its never worth it in this times of console changes. Even if its like $700 its still a better deal than building a new pc just for games. And than theres the comfy couch thing... Im giving up on my new pc plans.

 

[Giant Panda]

It's been 6 years since the last console launch. They would be fools to not sell it at $400+. Everybody is chomping at the bit to get a new system and they can't afford to lose as much on hardware this go around. Besides, Apple has paved the way for consumers getting used to pay a premium for their services.

Now if Xbox has a subsidized console....

I think you are severely overestimating demand for these consoles. The leaked specs currently seem to indicate wouldn't even lose much money at $400.

 

[PhantomOfTheKnight]

...Japan has PS+, right? Also, if the online subscription was a base asset for the PS4, wouldn't it have been leaked in Japan a long time ago?

EDIT: Oh, looks like someone already touched on that...

 

[udivision]

Damn... New consoles make PCs seem reaally expensive. Similar specs cost like $800 for a much lower performance (if performance/specs ratio continue to be what it was last gen). If you are not an enthusiast its never worth it in this times of console changes. Even if its like $700 its still a better deal than building a new pc just for games. And than theres the comfy couch thing... Im giving up on my new pc plans.

I don't think any PC parts are sold at a loss... I could be wrong though.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Why wouldn't I be? It makes for great entertainment; just like megaton exciting announcements do, which I also mentioned.

Hoping for a megaton? Fine.

Hoping someone flips out and goes crazy over something as trivial as a game console? Do you not see how that's a little disturbing? That's on some Gladiator type shit real talk.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

IF Sony puts online play behind a paywall I'm out. I'm plus since day one, but not being able to fully play the games I pay full price for if I stop paying is not going to fly. I won't buy another MS console because of this and I won't let Sony get away with it either.

My backlog goes back way into last gen anyway, so whatever...

 

[Manmademan]

Based on what? The influx of scalable PS3 ports that came out for the PSP?

the kotaku leak confirmed local multiplayer between ps4 and the vita.

local multiplayer means that the same titles will be playing on each platform- i.e. I could play against you in PSABR2 if I had a vita nearby. And PSABR had not tanked, but we're talking hypotheticals.

the same titles on each platform mean that multiplayer exists for the vita version (which would be free, since vita multi is free) and the ps4 version.

it would not make sense to have multiplayer for the same title be free on one platform, but charged for the other.

 

[Arklite]

Not looking forward to the "path of Xbox Live" in terms of multilayer subs. Hopefully they mention more about the network changes tomorrow.

 

[Chinpoko_Master]

Hoping for a megaton? Fine.

Hoping someone flips out and goes crazy over something as trivial as a game console? Do you not see how that's a little disturbing? That's on some Gladiator type shit real talk.

It's entertaining because it's pathetic.

 

[RoboPlato]

If this is true, I hope the paid PSN service is just an extension of Plus and the $429 version of the console isn't too gimped. Still, it seems a bit early to have a price set.

 

[Glorified G]

Yup, which is why there has been no damaging leak today to Nikkei from some irate Japanese middle manager that would disagree with a move to paid online.

Or no damaging leak from Nikkei because they feel it's a good idea?

 

[erlim]

i guess subscription contract is a nice idea, but i use my cell phone much more than all of my game consoles combined.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

You DO realize that Walkman and iPods were almost completely different generations -- don't you?

Apple wasn't really on the map at all until they made the Ipod, to be quite frank.

Yeah that is the problem. What was Sony doing during that generation? MD? Lawl

That's what he mean when he says they killed them. Took Sony way too long to get quality MP3 players out.

 

[Hydrogen]

I don't think any PC parts are sold at a loss... I could be wrong though.

Yeah ofc not. Part of the reason consoles seem to be a much better deal.

 

[Baconsammy]

Hoping for a megaton? Fine.

Hoping someone flips out and goes crazy over something as trivial as a game console? Do you not see how that's a little disturbing? That's on some Gladiator type shit real talk.

Disturbing? Not really. It's pretty much why people watch Bravo.

 

[Duxxy3]

Call of Duty shouldn't be priced at $70. It should sell for $80 or more.
Meanwhile, most other games should come in at less than $60.

Considering the relatively low cost to make those games i think you'd find a few people... upset.

 

[MoGamesXNA]

I seriously doubt a price will be announced until E3 or later.

I second this. The announcement tomorrow will be purely for the hardware and some game trailers/teasers.

Any price related announcements will come at E3 or just before.

 

[kaching]

Why "should" it be free? Because you say so? Sony is a business, just like Microsoft. If customers see value in paying a yearly fee to play their console games online then they WILL.

This could lead to a higher quality PSN. Let's not forget the hacking fiasco. You get what you pay for and all that...

Bring on the PS Live Gold

Banks have been hacked, governments have been hacked, just about every imaginable organization has been hacked. That XBL hasn't been hacked is likely due more to serendipity and hacker priorities lying elsewhere.

Online shouldn't be free, but then it's already been paid for. For clarity it's about not accepting a paywall to get access to things that have already been paid for.

Customers rationalizing a placebo effect isn't in the customers' best interests.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

Pastebin?

this. I don't remember it being anyone officially, but from a random post on pastebin. Which a lot of things in that original post didn't end up being true, besides the code names(according to the current leaks).

 

[Hypereides]

https://twitter.com/TheKevinDent/status/304029244617527296

Now I see why hes so 'reliable'

 

[Amir0x]

What? No he isn't. Kotaku hasn't said who their source is for the $429/529 rumor.

Ah, that's what my confusion was. I thought he was also Kotaku's source or something, this thread is moving too fast to keep track here haha

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Why wouldn't I be? It makes for great entertainment; just like megaton exciting announcements do, which I also mentioned.

There were a few meltdowns in this very thread already, including one from the gentleman you're quoting.

I think you are severely overestimating demand for these consoles. The leaked specs currently seem to indicate wouldn't even lose much money at $400.

There are plenty of people, such as yourself, that cannot fathom the consoles being more than $400. But, it is possible.

 

[Manmademan]

Banks have been hacked, governments have been hacked, just about every imaginable organization has been hacked. That XBL hasn't been hacked is likely due more to serendipity and hacker priorities lying elsewhere.

Online shouldn't be free, but then it's already been paid for. For clarity it's about not accepting a paywall to get access to things that have already been paid for.

Customers rationalizing a placebo effect isn't in the customers' best interests.

the hacking fiasco is a distant memory to anyone but hardcore fans, whose minds have long since been made up.

What was the long term repercussions of the hack? free games? it's extremely unlikely to have any lasting impact on console decision making.

 

[Glorified G]

Now I see why hes so 'reliable'

After aegis vouched for him seeing tweet made a lot of sense.

 

[grimshawish]

It's a direct conversion from ¥40,000 to USD which is not how it works.

Is that where $429 is from? Sorry, I've missed this bit.

Anyway, on my reasoning - there isn't much but Sony being aggressive and wanting to take everywhere; meaning a more local effort. £299 doesn't make it cheaper to import; but it does make it more competitive in the UK; £310 or £315 just looks awkward when you can hit the more psychological price point of £299.

 

[Sickboy007]

Wait, so they would take the hit in the UK, but not in the US? Makes no sense. It's a direct conversion from ¥40,000 to USD which is not how it works.

Yeah, that's the part that seems most impausible to me.

 

[artist]

I don't believe that Kevin Dent guy. He doesn't know what will be shown tomorrow, how would he know about price and if Multiplayer will be behind a paywall?

He's reliable.

Well since you're so reliable it must be true.

When all of this comes to pass MSFT will own this console cycle in absolute terms and I would yield that it is a brilliant model and plan
https://twitter.com/TheKevinDent/status/304029244617527296

Now I see why hes so 'reliable'

Hahahahahahahahaha

#dead

 

[neptunes]

the kotaku leak confirmed local multiplayer between ps4 and the vita.

local multiplayer means that the same titles will be playing on each platform- i.e. I could play against you in PSABR2 if I had a vita nearby. And PSABR had not tanked, but we're talking hypotheticals.

the same titles on each platform mean that multiplayer exists for the vita version (which would be free, since vita multi is free) and the ps4 version.

it would not make sense to have multiplayer for the same title be free on one platform, but charged for the other.

I though kotaku was implying that the PS4 would be able to stream a version of the game to a nearby Vita were they'd both be able to play "Local" multiplayer(a la WiiU). Which wouldn't require a subscription anyway, the same way it works on Xbox(sans the steaming of course)

 

[Puppet Shadow]

This mentality that people are eager to see meltdowns and people flipping out is gross.

You don't find watching people who are way too emotionally involved with a piece of hardware or a corporation absolutely lose it out if they hear something that disappoints them amusing? Come on...



Edit:

LOL So XBL is impervious to hacks? I swear the spinning in this thread is ridiculous.

Oh wait, you do.

 

[Spongebob]

The $429 to $529 price range seems reasonable given that it's supposed to be a high end machine and it falls within range of my expectations that it'd be priced between $450 and $499. I imagine that they'll be probably selling it at a loss, so I doubt they could have priced it $399. I think Microsoft will offer similar price points as well. You have to remember the 360 and PS3 came out like seven years ago. I imagine with inflation the 360s initial $399 SKU price would be about $429 in today's dollars.

My only concern is the rumored sub fee for PS World. If it's like the PS3 where online is free, but you can subscribe to PS Plus for value added content I have no problem with that. If they've turned it into a pay wall like XBLG, I'll probably have an issue. I intend to get both systems, but I doubt I will pay a sub fee for both. If my IRL friends stick with MS next gen, then Durango will probably end up being my online gaming console for playing with friends while the PS4 will be there for just Sony first-party titles, exclusives and any third-party SP multiplats that run better.

What component of the PS4 is supposed to be high end?

The CPU is pretty light weight: 8 jaguar cores

The GPU is pretty modest(not in anyways bad): 18CU@800MHz (~7850)

It's not a low end machine, but I don't see how anyone can call it a high end machine.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Or no damaging leak from Nikkei because they feel it's a good idea?

Yeah, no. There is always one person who disagrees and will try and make it not happen. Leaking to Nikkei is a good way of achieving that. Even then such a big change for Sony wouldn't go unnoticed by them, and they wouldn't sit on such an article. If it was going to happen, it is highly likely we would already know about it from either Nikkei or the FT, both of which have board level connections to Sony.