Kotaku Rumor: PS4 out in November, control with your phone/tablet, maybe $429/529

I assume that Mr Dent is alluding to a subsidized model for the next Xbox? A US$199 that required a three-year connection to Live would absolutely destroy Sony and Nintendo.

Could also be the reason for the online-only rumours. No point selling it that way if people are offline.

EDIT: Just saw another of his tweets. How would they make that work outside the US...? :\
 
Ugh, terrible way to look at it. It's only "money left on the table" because console marketers have someone managed to convince some portion of the customer population that they should pay again for something they already paid for.

"some" portion is a significant portion. Especially when you are Sony and want more money
 
$429 is too much. Yes it's only $30 more than $399, but there is a perception involved here between the "3” and the "4." It's a ridiculous argument but that's the way consumers think. This console must be $399 or Sony will have the same problem when it priced the PS3.

People buy $499 iPads.

Sony always has wanted to be like Apple, but Apple basically killed them.

Walkman. iPod.
Viao. Macbook Pro.
 
If Sony charges even $1 subscription then they'll lose entire Japanese market for sure.
Well Japan is now like 1/10 of Sony's market so it may be ok with them after all.
 
He is referring to the subscription based model in which cable companies like Comcast will give the new Xbox instead of a cable box.

And that will bring a userbase of people who most likely won't buy games or are even interested in games. It will be a non-useful userbase for games. For other entertainment venues, it will be more useful. And this pretty much only applies to the US and maybe Canada and the UK.
 
Anyone expecting this thing to come in for less then 400 is smoking some kind of magical expensive crack rock.

I mean- let's consider the facts here -

High end new CPU - at least 100$ for those first few million
High end mass produced GPU - at least another 100$ for the first few million
4GB of DDR5 ram- probably an additional 100$
traditional HDD (size is irrelevant) - around 70$ per drive
"guts"(copper, wafers, wires, fans, case,etc) - 15-20$
6X bluray drive - at least 25$
wifi/ethernet/bluetooth card- 10-15$
all ports other ports(usb/sdcard/hdmi)-5-10$
power supply- 30-40$

And that's just the console roughly, you still have -
dual shock 4 - 30-40$ a piece
HDMI cable- 5$
playstation eye - 30$

Then finally, packaging and shipping - 10-15$ per unit

Total cost ? - around 600$ , this is all some pretty conservative guess work on my part too. I just don't think sony is prepared to bleed 200$ off each unit sold by pricing it at only 400$. They can't really charge 600$ for it either because we all know how that went last time (even if you could argue in 2006, that price tag made it cheaper then most stand alone bluray players at the time). I expect 449.99 - 559.99 , avoids that 600 dollar mark by a wee bit and the cheaper model is an appropriate amount above the cost of a PS3 ... because see, that's another thing no one considering- are they seriously going to price a brand new console only 100$ more then what a ps3 costs ? I highly doubt it.

All these same figures probably hold true for the next xbox as well, it's not as though I'm picking favorites- I suspect because of the slightly worse GPU and much cheaper ram that a durango might cost as much as 100$ less but microsoft is in the cocky position of being the market leader going forward so while they could price it at 399.99 I think they too will go with 449.99 or even 499.99 , especially if the rumors of only 1 SKU are true.
 
430/530 + online subscription?

I hope for Sony it's not true or they will have a very hard launch. It's too expensive (not for what it is but for compared to what people are willing to pay), and I don't know if people will be willing to play for online after having it for free on PS3, especially nowadays where the economy isn't at its brightest.
 
Sony's in a rough position and could make a case for charging online play.. but it could be more damaging if they abandon free MP at this stage of the game..
Continuing FREE online gaming would be a great incentive for consumers to pick up the PS4 over the Nextbox. Why lose that incentive? At the very least Sony shouldn't throw Netflix and Youtube behind a paywall.
Don't more people use Netflix on PS3 than on 360 due to not needing LIVE?
Do have definitive proof that is happening? and would offering it for free be more advantageous than gaining revenue by charging for it?

If Sony charges even $1 subscription then they'll lose entire Japanese market for sure.
Well Japan is now like 1/10 of Sony's market so it may be ok with them after all.
Really? Like Japanese games aren't used to paying for online RPGs? (that aren't even MMO'a) There were quite a few PS2 games that charged for online in Japan.
 
I will not pay to play games online. Even if the rest of the service is 10x awesome as PS+ seem to be. I'll be that 1 insignificant vote that refuse to add to the crazyness.

I don't want to be forced to keep a sub going just for the rare situation of me wanting to play a game that has an online mode, wasting my money when I don't feel like playing online or use any of the other features. I'm already wishing I could get rid of Directv since I don't watch tv, but the rest of the house does sometimes.
 
1. Doubt they will release the price so early.

2. There is no way that price is correct. Its nonsense especially given other reports.
 
it seems fairly sensible for them to:

-keep online play free, and also add chat, since that was the biggest requested feature this gen that they were unable to deliver on because of their dumb RAM setup.
-automatically upgrade existing PS+ subscribers to the new service that's replacing it.
-keep MOST of the current PSN features free, and make MOST of the NEW features PS4's PSN will bring behind the paywall.
-not repeat the $599 US DOLLARS fiasco.

i DON'T think they are going to have two SKU's, but if they do, the higher priced SKU will be more of a bundle, and also include a year of PS+(PSW?) etc. i DON'T think they are going to take away features that are already free, as they would use ammo to use against MS charging for things they offer for free. i DON'T think they are going to charge much more for the new service than they currently are for PS+. and i really DON'T think they are going to price the standard SKU more than $400.

hopefully there will be payment plan options too. 'subsidized' or whatever you want to call it. (although that's misleading because it implies that a third party is discounting the device on their dollar for your signing up with said third party)
 
Even if they did put MP behind a pay wall I find it unlikely they would announce it tomorrow. Only two reasons to do so now; investors and/or just get it out of the way now.
 
You kind of had me until this part. Sony really turned the PS3 around over the course of the gen. They can't afford another machine that sells 70+ million units? That's crazy talk. The market has changed. They're not likely to get another world-beating 150+ million-selling console that takes the lion's share of exclusive games. If they can sell as many PS4s as they did PS3s, they'll be doing fine. If they can sell more, they'll be doing great.

absolutely this. The PS2 sold 150 million consoles in about 12 years. The PS3 sold about 70 million in about 6 or so.

The problem isn't the number of consoles sold, but the HUGE cost of the PS3 that sony had to eat to push blu ray in the marketplace. All indications are that the PS4 is much, much cheaper to develop.
 
What else was Kevin Dent reliable about in the past?

Only makes sense for them to charge for online multiplayer too, but the meltdowns will be absolutely monumental. I am so glad so many potential meltdowns and megatons await tomorrow.

Also why isn't the Playstation World stuff in the title?
 
Anyone expecting this thing to come in for less then 400 is smoking some kind of magical expensive crack rock.

I mean- let's consider the facts here -

High end new CPU - at least 100$ for those first few million
High end mass produced GPU - at least another 100$ for the first few million

4GB of DDR5 ram- probably an additional 100$
traditional HDD (size is irrelevant) - around 70$ per drive
"guts"(copper, wafers, wires, fans, case,etc) - 15-20$
6X bluray drive - at least 25$
wifi/ethernet/bluetooth card- 10-15$
all ports other ports(usb/sdcard/hdmi)-5-10$
power supply- 30-40$

And that's just the console roughly, you still have -
dual shock 4 - 30-40$ a piece
HDMI cable- 5$
playstation eye - 30$

Then finally, packaging and shipping - 10-15$ per unit

Total cost ? - around 600$ , this is all some pretty conservative guess work on my part too. I just don't think sony is prepared to bleed 200$ off each unit sold by pricing it at only 400$. They can't really charge 600$ for it either because we all know how that went last time (even if you could argue in 2006, that price tag made it cheaper then most stand alone bluray players at the time). I expect 449.99 - 559.99 , avoids that 600 dollar mark by a wee bit and the cheaper model is an appropriate amount above the cost of a PS3 ... because see, that's another thing no one considering- are they seriously going to price a brand new console only 100$ more then what a ps3 costs ? I highly doubt it.

All these same figures probably hold true for the next xbox as well, it's not as though I'm picking favorites- I suspect because of the slightly worse GPU and much cheaper ram that a durango might cost as much as 100$ less but microsoft is in the cocky position of being the market leader going forward so while they could price it at 399.99 I think they too will go with 449.99 or even 499.99 , especially if the rumors of only 1 SKU are true.

If all the leaks are correct the PS4 neither has a high end GPU or CPU.

We're looking at what essentially is a 7850 and jaguar cores.

No idea where you got those prices from.
 
If Sony charges even $1 subscription then they'll lose entire Japanese market for sure.
Well Japan is now like 1/10 of Sony's market so it may be ok with them after all.
This post is ridiculous.

To whom would Sony lose the Japanese market?
 
"some" portion is a significant portion. Especially when you are Sony and want more money
I didn't say otherwise. Doesn't change the fact that such logic isn't exactly in the customer's best interests and is the only reason why the "money is on the table" in the first place.
 
Anyone expecting this thing to come in for less then 400 is smoking some kind of magical expensive crack rock.

I mean- let's consider the facts here -

High end new CPU - at least 100$ for those first few million
High end mass produced GPU - at least another 100$ for the first few million
4GB of DDR5 ram- probably an additional 100$
traditional HDD (size is irrelevant) - around 70$ per drive
"guts"(copper, wafers, wires, fans, case,etc) - 15-20$
6X bluray drive - at least 25$
wifi/ethernet/bluetooth card- 10-15$
all ports other ports(usb/sdcard/hdmi)-5-10$
power supply- 30-40$

And that's just the console roughly, you still have -
dual shock 4 - 30-40$ a piece
HDMI cable- 5$
playstation eye - 30$

Then finally, packaging and shipping - 10-15$ per unit

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You are pulling prices out of your ass, what exactly is the value of this post?
 
Also, if paid online was true, someone from Sony in Japan would have leaked it to Nikkei already and it would be in today's edition. Seriously, that's how it works, last time literally everything about Vita leaked to Nikkei, a major move like this would already be leaked to them.
 
What have they turned over? They lose money like crazy. They just had to cut loose a bunch of devs, and the Vita is...well, it's the Vita. The market has changed, and Sony showed with the Vita that they're oblivious to those changes. Or simply think they're bigger than the market and they can dictate to it what it wants/needs. If they were making money now I'd have a little more faith in them. I have hope. I just hope it's not false hope.
Is Ps3 profiting them now? They just sold a building for a boatload of money. Every time Sony is asked about Vita, they nonchalantly say PR like "it's doing ok" so obviously, it isn't selling as well as they would like, but are they bleeding from it or making back so-so profits with the crazy memory cards?

We're all guilty of this, but there's no way to know exactly what is going on inside a company. There's still a great market for Vita, it's simply no one wants to pay that much money for one. But a big screen smaller console with dual sticks is not a bad idea at all IMO. Pricing is the biggest factor in Vita's case, everyone wants a LOT but not willing to play for entertainment in a scary economy. 3DS did not take off until it was $170=Impulse buy..

I think Sony are still in a position to lead the gaming industry, and have a lot to prove. Overall though, I just love World Wide Studios, so I'm ready to see what they're cooking..
 
He is referring to the subscription based model in which cable companies like Comcast will give the new Xbox instead of a cable box.

I think it's an interesting idea, but only 10-11,000 people bothered with using xbox 360 as a STB for uverse. Although that wasn't subsidized (you had to provide your own 360). Don't know the numbers for other countries that offered 360 as a STB. I also still dont see any rumors pointing to cablecard support in the next-gen box (not to mention international equivalents), which would make it DOA as a standalone STB.

I know I've posted this a thousand times, but the rumors point to HDMI-IN which is similar to GoogleTV (ie a more advanced TVii) and not a standalone subsidized STB
 
What else was Kevin Dent reliable about in the past?

Only makes sense for them to charge for online multiplayer too, but the meltdowns will be absolutely monumental. I am so glad so many potential meltdowns and megatons await tomorrow.

Also why isn't the Playstation World stuff in the title?

Seeing some hoping for this to happen just reeks of people really desperate to justify their choice to payfor p2p online that should be free in the first place.
 
^ Zen, most of your points were addressed by me in this topic so I'll not waste another post. Yours is just a tragic misreading.

And very little of it actually addresses what I said, or my main points, which is explaining to you why it is outlandish adn why your inferences have been completely disproved with time. You poorly mounted a defense for determining the state of the PS brand, but that's about it. Your post completely falls about because you were so insistent on it not being hyperbole.
 
What else was Kevin Dent reliable about in the past?

Only makes sense for them to charge for online multiplayer too, but the meltdowns will be absolutely monumental. I am so glad so many potential meltdowns and megatons await tomorrow.

Also why isn't the Playstation World stuff in the title?

This mentality that people are eager to see meltdowns and people flipping out is gross.
 
Everyone said the Vita was going to be mega expensive; cause people over estimated its power.

Everyone is forgetting here that the PS4 will be a generic processor; a good GPU but not 'best money can buy'; very good RAM but still not a huge expense; and everything else.

Where are the huge costs coming from that certain rumours are unbelievable?
Am going with The Times article for the UK pricing but I suspect Sony will take extra losses to make up for the tax just to hit that psychological price point of £299.

Taking the Kotaku rumour I'd say $429 is pretty believable. All fits.
I also think both will be announced tomorrow; seriously, pre-orders for everyone.

£299
$429

A good price structure to set out at all things considered.

Also, if paid online was true, someone from Sony in Japan would have leaked it to Nikkei already and it would be in today's edition. Seriously, that's how it works, last time literally everything about Vita leaked to Nikkei, a major move like this would already be leaked to them.

If there is to be paid online they will announce it at E3 and spend a lot of time on it.
An event like this with so much information? It'd take away from anything being shown and any sort of connection with PS+ may not be properly understood.
 
It's been 6 years since the last console launch. They would be fools to not sell it at $400+. Everybody is chomping at the bit to get a new system and they can't afford to lose as much on hardware this go around. Besides, Apple has paved the way for consumers getting used to pay a premium for their services.

Now if Xbox has a subsidized console....
 
Seeing some hoping for this to happen just reeks of people really desperate to justify their choice to payfor p2p online that should be free in the first place.
This has been going on for years sadly, I believe there was a ton of predictions for Sony to charge in the middle of this gen too. When the PS+ rumors started, ho boy.
 
Seeing some hoping for this to happen just reeks of people really desperate to justify their choice to payfor p2p online that should be free in the first place.


Why "should" it be free? Because you say so? Sony is a business, just like Microsoft. If customers see value in paying a yearly fee to play their console games online then they WILL.

This could lead to a higher quality PSN. Let's not forget the hacking fiasco. You get what you pay for and all that...

Bring on the PS Live Gold
 
Everyone said the Vita was going to be mega expensive; cause people over estimated its power.

Everyone is forgetting here that the PS4 will be a generic processor; a good GPU but not 'best money can buy'; very good RAM but still not a huge expense; and everything else.

Where are the huge costs coming from that certain rumours are unbelievable?
Am going with The Times article for the UK pricing but I suspect Sony will take extra losses to make up for the tax just to hit that psychological price point of £299.

Taking the Kotaku rumour I'd say $429 is pretty believable. All fits.
I also think both will be announced tomorrow; seriously, pre-orders for everyone.

£299
$429

A good price structure to set out at all things considered.

Wait, so they would take the hit in the UK, but not in the US? Makes no sense. It's a direct conversion from ¥40,000 to USD which is not how it works.
 
Also, if paid online was true, someone from Sony in Japan would have leaked it to Nikkei already and it would be in today's edition. Seriously, that's how it works, last time literally everything about Vita leaked to Nikkei, a major move like this would already be leaked to them.

Online multiplayer will likely stay free - it's the extras they'll add to PS+ and whatever.
 
Seems rather foolish to release this information the day before the big showing. If they are wrong they will get some more lolkotaku.
If they are right. Dont think many will,even remember it and focus on the current news.

Either way bad time to release rumors imo. Should of been days earlier if they want the credit.
 
Why "should" it be free? Because you say so? Sony is a business, just like Microsoft. If customers see value in paying a yearly fee to play their console games online then they WILL.

This could lead to a higher quality PSN as well. Let's not forget the hacking fiasco. You get what you pay for and all that...

Bring on the PS Live Gold

LOL So XBL is impervious to hacks? I swear the spinning in this thread is ridiculous.
 
Everyone said the Vita was going to be mega expensive; cause people over estimated its power.

Everyone is forgetting here that the PS4 will be a generic processor; a good GPU but not 'best money can buy'; very good RAM but still not a huge expense; and everything else.

Where are the huge costs coming from that certain rumours are unbelievable?
Am going with The Times article for the UK pricing but I suspect Sony will take extra losses to make up for the tax just to hit that psychological price point of £299.

Taking the Kotaku rumour I'd say $429 is pretty believable. All fits.
I also think both will be announced tomorrow; seriously, pre-orders for everyone.

£299
$429

A good price structure to set out at all things considered.



If there is to be paid online they will announce it at E3 and spend a lot of time on it.
An event like this with so much information? It'd take away from anything being shown and any sort of connection with PS+ may not be properly understood.

I seriously doubt a price will be announced until E3 or later.
 
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