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[MormaPope]

Personal ranking of best boss fights:

1. Monsoon
2. Armstrong
3. Mistral
4. Sam
5. Sundowner

The cutscene with Raiden becoming what he once was before the Monsoon fight and then the actual fight was the peak of the generation for me, Raiden channeling his inner demons was unpredictable and badass to the max.

Sundowner was easy as hell on Hard if you spammed light attacks followed by dodging, making the battle a tad bit underwhelming.

 

[Guess Who]

God, the Monsoon fight was so fucking good. Way better than Sam or Sundowner, both of which were kind of letdowns. Especially Sundowner, what a chump.

 

[CorySchmitz]

Monsoon was sooo hard.

 

[GotchaForce]

Was there ever an explanation as to why his blood is red now? Please don't say nanomachines.

 

[OmegaZero]

I'm curious.
Does Raiden sink further and further into his Jack the Ripper persona as the story progresses?

Or does he just accept it and continue "using his blade for justice"?

 

[MormaPope]

Was there ever an explanation as to why his blood is red now? Please don't say nanomachines.

It's probably explained in a codec conversation, apparently there is a ton of backstory revealed though those conversations.

 

[Parakeetman]

The Samuel fight was by far the best. Since it felt like an actual battle between 2 real warriors.

 

[nailbombxx]

I lost it when Raiden was fist-fighting Armstrong and then THE ULTIMATE ZANDATSU!

The whole Armstrong boss fight reminded me of a supernatural martial arts anime. So good.

 

[Midou]

Monsoon and Armstrong were certainly the best boss fights. Though I got Monsoon first try and Armstrong took me over 2 hours...

Mistral was great for the music. Sam was fun though a bit underwhelming considering the start of the game, though finding out he was barely augmented made it make sense. Sundowner was indeed disappointing, I did die to him a few times, because I suck at aiming slashes, but when I just dodged behind him, didn't even get hit more than a few times..

Love a lot of the scenes with Wolf. Like when he puts his visor on right after Raiden before the car crash. Wolf explaining Raiden's jokes, making fun of his sarcasm.

 

[Semblance]

Hikari-Chan Bro is character of the year.

 

[brandonh83]

Does Raiden sink further and further into his Jack the Ripper persona as the story progresses?

Yeah, and then he sort of mellows back out a bit almost immediately after, but still has some of those traits. The cutscene where he goes batshit insane admittedly took me off guard and I was laughing my ass off.

 

[MormaPope]

I'm curious.
Does Raiden sink further and further into his Jack the Ripper persona as the story progresses?

Or does he just accept it and continue "using his blade for justice"?

He sort of gets overcome with The Ripper mentality when he confronts someone who tests him in physical prowess or his personal philosophies. He fluctuates between doing what he thinks is right and doing whatever the hell he wants to do.

 

[FrostuTheNinja]

I know we're getting the Sam and Wolf DLC but man, I really want to play as Monsoon.

 

[Mupod]

I'm curious.
Does Raiden sink further and further into his Jack the Ripper persona as the story progresses?

Or does he just accept it and continue "using his blade for justice"?

It isn't resolved. He slips in and out of it throughout the game as you can tell by Quinton Flynn going into his ham-mode David Hayter impersonation.

Was there ever an explanation as to why his blood is red now? Please don't say nanomachines.

NANOMACHINES, SON. They mention in the codecs that white blood was used for a while but it's outdated, or something.

 

[Retro_]

Was there ever an explanation as to why his blood is red now? Please don't say nanomachines.

Yes

it's explained that white blood is stupid

Cyborgs are now using a blood type that isn't diabetic

I'm curious.
Does Raiden sink further and further into his Jack the Ripper persona as the story progresses?

Or does he just accept it and continue "using his blade for justice"?

He accepts that Jack is apart of his true nature and is still resolved to save the kids so that no one else ends up like him

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

As cheesy as the story is, I kind of like it a lot. Like I said in the other thread, Robert Rodriguez needs to direct a movie adaption. I feel Henry Rollins should play the senator. He has the look and personality and ability to mock political views by overacting.

 

[wingz]

1. Samuel
2. Monsoon
3. Mistral
4. Armstrong
5. Sundowner

Samuel, was the most epic fight, just pure one on one, no tricks, just pure skill. Sundowner was probably the worst of all the boss fights because he didn't really do anything. I expected him to do more with his pincer blades like in the prologue cut scenes, but he stood there and basically did nothing with his exploding shield.

 

[CorySchmitz]

Now I want to play it again, haha.

 

[FrostuTheNinja]

Samuel, was the most epic fight, just pure one on one, no tricks, just pure skill. Sundowner was probably the worst of all the boss fights because he didn't really do anything. I expected him to do more with his pincer blades like in the prologue cut scenes, but he stood there and basically did nothing with his exploding shield.

Yeah, Sundowner fight was a bit of a let down. All talk, I guess.

 

[Korigama]

Was there ever an explanation as to why his blood is red now? Please don't say nanomachines.

It's probably explained in a codec conversation, apparently there is a ton of backstory revealed though those conversations.

It is, one with Doktor (during Ch. 2, I believe). The white blood was mentioned as something less widespread that was used in older generation cyborgs, IIRC (which I'm pretty sure was also why it took more effort to get what was needed treat Raiden after he was injured in MGS4).

 

[Mupod]

Yeah, and then he sort of mellows back out a bit almost immediately after, but still has some of those traits. The cutscene where he goes batshit insane admittedly took me off guard and I was laughing my ass off.

I loved it. Monsoon getting visibly shaken by crazy-ass Raiden was glorious. Reminded me of a certain scene in Baldur's Gate 2,

Spoiler

Bodhi seeing you turn into the Slayer and going NOPE NOPE NOPE out of there.

Also, in the Monsoon cutscene there's a part where you can look around in first person and see a cute easter egg. Classic MGS.

 

[OmegaZero]

Yeah, and then he sort of mellows back out a bit almost immediately after, but still has some of those traits. The cutscene where he goes batshit insane admittedly took me off guard and I was laughing my ass off.

He sort of gets overcome with The Ripper mentality when he confronts someone who tests him in physical prowess or his personal philosophies. He fluctuates between doing what he thinks is right and doing whatever the hell he wants to do.

It isn't resolved. He slips in and out of it throughout the game as you can tell by Quinton Flynn going into his ham-mode David Hayter impersonation.

He accepts that Jack is apart of his true nature and is still resolved to save the kids so that no one else ends up like him

Ah okay then. Thanks for the replies.

I thought it would be kind of cool to have him become almost villainous as the game progressed and see how his support team/enemies reacted.

 

[abstract alien]

I liked the feel of the Armstrong fight, but didn't care for actually fighting him. Love how this game revolves around the parry.

 

[FrostuTheNinja]

I liked the feel of the Armstrong fight, but didn't care for actually fighting him. Love how this game revolves around the parry.

Yeah, I was talking to a buddy and telling him the game really strong arms you into become adept at the parry system.

 

[Midou]

Parrying led me into slow damage on Armstrong fight, I switched to mostly dodging behind him, it knocked him out into letting me do long combos a lot more than parrying.

 

[SpeedySwaf]

The thing with the Sundowner fight is that you really don't get to see his full potential until after you destroy his blast shield, but by then you probably already whittled down about half his health. I think the developers should've upped his defense considerably while the shields were equipped, while also making him a little less aggressive, or making his destroyed shields drop nanopaste. It would encourage players to take the time to destroy his shields, and then the real fight would start.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Armstrong's speech is not only the manliest speech ever issued, it's actually something I kinda agree with... uh... I mean, to an extent.

Raiden used Kenshiro's hundred hand crack, but it didn't do shit, because Armstrong is not only a boss, he's the boss.

Don't fuck with this senator.

 

[MormaPope]

The thing with the Sundowner fight is that you really don't get to see his full potential until after you destroy his blast shield, but by then you probably already whittled down about half his health. I think the developers should've upped his defense considerably while the shields were equipped, while also making him a little less aggressive, or making his destroyed shields drop nanopaste. It would encourage players to take the time to destroy his shields, and then the real fight would start.

I just kept dodging and hitting him in the back, dude has a huge achilles heel.

 

[Mupod]

Ah okay then. Thanks for the replies.

I thought it would be kind of cool to have him become almost villainous as the game progressed and see how his support team/enemies reacted.

they do freak out a little in codecs whenever he starts acting crazy.

 

[abstract alien]

One thing that really caught me off guard was some of the dialog and conversations. I was expecting some grade A bullshit to be honest, but I really enjoyed listening to them talk about things.

Yeah, I was talking to a buddy and telling him the game really strong arms you into become adept at the parry system.

Maaaaan, I was just about ready to elbow smash my ps3 when fighting the legged metal gears the first times(the ones that make the cow noises). Figured out how to parry correctly and bodies started hitting the floor.

Parrying led me into slow damage on Armstrong fight, I switched to mostly dodging behind him, it knocked him out into letting me do long combos a lot more than parrying.

Yeah, I felt the ninja run was more of your friend in that particular instance.

 

[Midou]

The one thing I found weird about him going into "Jack the ripper" dialog, was that he seemed to randomly use the 'voice' in codecs. Like I call up everyone after a story scene to see what they say, he spoke in his normal voice to like Boris and Courtney, but when I called Kevin, he went full crazy jack the ripper voice. Seemed a bit odd, but nothing that bad.

 

[Guess Who]

The one thing I found weird about him going into "Jack the ripper" dialog, was that he seemed to randomly use the 'voice' in codecs. Like I call up everyone after a story scene to see what they say, he spoke in his normal voice to like Boris and Courtney, but when I called Kevin, he went full crazy jack the ripper voice. Seemed a bit odd, but nothing that bad.

I like to think he's just channeling David Hayter.

 

[MormaPope]

Raiden becoming enraged and dismissing his mission handlers in Rising makes a lot of sense. He was completely manipulated in MGS2, he was manipulated when he was a child, the Patriots then manipulated him long before the Plant mission.

Him being distrusting towards anyone but children makes sense, his entire life has been him following orders and trying to prevent pain from inflicting others.

Before the Monsoon fight, he realizes his only guilty pleasure, proving someone wrong and butchering the ever living shit out of them. Raiden is in the most control of a situation when he himself isn't in control of his own emotions or thoughts.

 

[Red Blaster]

coulda went pro if I hadn't joined the navy

 

[MormaPope]

coulda went pro if I hadn't joined the navy

That line was amazing, dude is still prideful of his old football days even when he's altered himself to be a freak of nature. Armstrong also looks like Frank West in a lot of ways.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

TRY UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS

 

[Retro_]

"I could break the president in two with my bare. hands"

Armstrong 2020

A campaign slogan I can get behind

 

[Chamber]

For me:

1. Mistral
2. Armstrong
3. Monsoon
4. Sam
5. Sundowner

Sam was a letdown. Enjoyable fight but he ended up being the easiest boss in the game after all that build-up.

 

[abstract alien]

TRY UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS

Line of the generation right there.

 

[RapidCancel]

TRY UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS

I died laughing at that. Probably cause I have a lot of friends who go there.

I'm a bit conflicted with the Sam fight. It was a great set piece and I really enjoyed that it was its own mission, but the fight itself was a bit easy. I wish it would've really made you work for a win.

Monsoon though, was totally amazing from start to finish.

 

[nailbombxx]

I really liked the ultimate Zandatsu Raiden does on Armstrong.

You don't have to hit the sweet spot once, but like 5 times.

Then you pull out his nanomachine heart.

"WE'RE DONE HERE!"

 

[Fimbulvetr]

For me:

1. Mistral
2. Armstrong
3. Monsoon
4. Sam
5. Sundowner

Sam was a letdown. Enjoyable fight but he ended up being the easiest boss in the game after all that build-up.

I think it's less that Sam is the easiest(Sundowner clearly takes that title) and more that he's the most straightforward.

 

[Dahbomb]

NANOMACHINES SON!!!!!!

Fuck I have been waiting to say it full on.

Best line in the game.

 

[.hacked]

Look all the way to the right before the Monsoon fight during his speech and one of they cyborgs soldiers is playing with a cat.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Look all the way to the right before the Monsoon fight during his speech and one of they cyborgs soldiers is playing with a cat.

I thought that was hilarious.

 

[giancarlo123x]

Sundowner is the only boss that's ass in the game. Armstrong is one of my favorite new Metal Gear characters, I hope he makes a return cyborg style.

 

[nailbombxx]

I think its hilarious in that portion before the Monsoon fight where you have to sneak past the guards as mentally distraught Raiden you can still slice dudes to pieces if you have the infinite wig on and already have ripper mode unlocked.

 

[MormaPope]

Sundowner is the only boss that's ass in the game. Armstrong is one of my favorite new Metal Gear characters, I hope he makes a return cyborg style.

Armstrong Jr.

 

[Dahbomb]

Worst boss fight is the Metal Gear Ray fight at the beginning. The Bladewolf is an awesome fight too. Aside from Ray fight every boss fight is great in this.

Love me some humanoid bosses. Mano e mano.

Last boss has grown on me. I was not a fan of the numerous cutscene interruptions in the fight but Armstrong is like a Fist of the North Star villain... cheesy yet awesome at the same time. Now that's a grown ass man.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

With the whole leaving his support team behind, a crazy guy being all "you're just like me," never quite getting over his whole Ripper persona, and the obsession with saving children and spurning adults, does anybody else get the feeling that any future Raiden games are going to set him up as the next Big Boss?