Ghost_Protocol
Member
Yosuke actually made me miss Junpei. And that's something I didn't think was possible.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Persona 4 Accused of Being Anti-Gay in Gamespot article
- Thread starter Levito
- Start date
firehawk12
Subete no aware
What was wrong with Junpei? lol
buddha0991
Member
All you Junpei and Yosuke people have obviously never met Eikichi "Death Boss" Mishina!
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Junpei was awesome.
I really like his character growth in that game, and his turnaround from an envious jerkass to a guy that really believes in the MC and values his friendship with him.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
They just don't know
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Ah, I only remember his interactions with the superior FeMC. In that version, he attempts to whiteknight you. lol
buddha0991
Member
They just don't know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpdib1Rfnv0
A shame this song was never used in the game
but they remixed it and used it in one of Tatsuya's Scenarios in Eternal Punishment Portable 
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Reactionary article that misses the point entirely. Enjoy the hits Gamespot.
Junpei? He does the total opposite. Actually, he's the only member of SEES who ever makes Mitsuru angry by implying FeMC can't be the leader because she's female.
eikichii did more than acting like a butt-monkey or telling me how awesome i was
that guy was pretty cool
Fimbulvetr
Member
Yosuke and Junpei have similar immaturity/insecurity issues(though the latter's tend to manifest themselves more in the form of sexist comments, especially near the beginning of the game if you chose the FemC, and faux-alpha-male bullshitting). But, while Junpei takes a huge step towards alleviating his problems, Yosuke only just manages to accept his without actually making a big effort to change.
slightconfuse
Banned
Did she not play the game or is she basing it off Youske being a dick? I feel like persona handles this subject pretty well with kanji coming to terms with who he is.
also naoto clearly states she pretended to be a boy to fit into society becasue girls are not good enought to be detevtives.
also naoto clearly states she pretended to be a boy to fit into society becasue girls are not good enought to be detevtives.
The aforementioned white-knighting comes later during his social link. But yeah that caught me off guard with how unbelievably pissed he made Mitsuru there. Talking about shutting down his inferiority complex in a heartbeat.
Endgame P4 spoilers:
One of the best underlying aspects of Persona 4 is when you realize that Yosuke in the hospital room is acting just like his shadow was in the boss battle early on. It's subtle, but it really shows how much he still has to grow.
In the very beginning yes.
But in his SL he basically does whiteknight you. It's about him finding out someone took pictures of FemMC in her gym uniform and was selling them on the campus.
My biggest problem with the camping trip wasn't that I felt the writers were somehow agreeing with how Yosuke was acting. He's a high school kid, acting like a 6th grader, but that's his character. My problem was the game never allowing me to disagree with him right then and tell him before Kanji runs off, to stop being an asshole. Kanji says something like "I told you guys I'm not like that" inferring that I was agreeing with Yosuke.
Basically I really wanted an option to have my say, whether I felt uncomfortable with Kanji sleeping with us.
Basically I really wanted an option to have my say, whether I felt uncomfortable with Kanji sleeping with us.
If you want to be reductive like that, I could call Eikichi a narcissistic, dramatic asshole.
Ah okay, thanks. Haven't done much of Junpei's S. Link yet.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
P3P is not cannon!
I especially dislike
the ability to revive a certain character from death
her death
But that's just me
You could, so I'll admit that might be a bit reductive when it comes to junpei.
you'll never get me to budge on yosuke, though
His entire character felt dedicated solely to telling the player how awesome he is, even his S-link felt like the game highlighting how pathetic he is and how awesome you are by comparison.you'll never get me to budge on yosuke, though
You'd be pretty pathetic next to someone like this too.
The above is what I remembered when playing Persona 4 Golden. Kanji was never gay.
Kanji was ridiculed at a very young age by female students for liking "girly" things such as dolls and arts/crafts. In response to not seem feminine, he did a complete 180 in attitude/appearance. Yukiko even mentions that when she attended school with him when they were younger he was a much different person. However, in doing a 180 in attitude/appearance, girls still didn't accept him because he was seen as a "biker" and trouble maker. This clearly exasperated the problem, and made him start to ponder that maybe he was just not compatible with females.
Also there are many scenes that allude to him being heterosexual/attractive to women:
1) Noise bleed while seeing Yukiko and Chia in swim suit
2) Blushing when seeing the females at Yukiko's hotel spring
3) Getting in bed with Chia(or was it Yukiko?) only to turn out to be that fat girl(whose name escapes me) in the hotel.
4) Demanding that Naoto joins the modeling contest
5) Wanting to see the girls in the traditional Japanese outfit
I'm sure I'm missing some.
toddhunter
Member
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
P3P is not cannon!
I especially dislikein that game; becausethe ability to revive a certain character from deathis a HUGE humongous part in how Junpei develops as a character. The scene where his Persona evolves... that was chillingly powerful!her death
But that's just me
There was a lot bad narrative expansions in FES and P3P. The Answer was probably the worst part.
The anime cleared it up.
Welp, another reason for being happy of not watching the anime.
The anime cleared it up.
Ugh, no. I like the anime more than many others did, but how they handled Kanji's issues in it could absolutely be said to be homophobic.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I totally don't remember Junpei being an asshole in that situation... just the whole S-link thing where he feels obligated to help you because he wants to protect you. lol
Man, maybe I need to replay P3P sometime... Asshole Junpei is totally something I've forgotten.
Oh yeah, some of the changes drastically affect the story and how it plays out... but the FeMC is just a more interesting protagonist - especially considering she isn't trying to make it with the entire female cast.P3P is not cannon!
I especially dislikein that game; becausethe ability to revive a certain character from deathis a HUGE humongous part in how Junpei develops as a character. The scene where his Persona evolves... that was chillingly powerful!her death
But that's just me
But yeah, I know it's not canon.
pft, i bet he didn't even get a girlfriend in the anime!
The anime cleared it up.
haha, wow.
polyh3dron
Banned
This is some Anita Sarkeesian-level analysis. If you actually played Persona 4 even long enough for those characters to appear you would know that the main theme of the game is to accept and be yourself, and if you refuse to accept all aspects of your character your shame will kill you literally.
Naoto and Chie are both very tomboyish so meh .
And the nose bleed has nothing to do with Yukiko and Chie (huehue)
This blew my mind.
http://youtu.be/Cq6E1XoFH1k?t=2m48s
One example of Junpei being a jerk, as well as the scene where Mitsuru chews him out.
IIRC, Kanji felt himself better when interacting with men rather than women (I've been there), so he feels somewhat attracted to Naoto because of her "boyish", non-girly manners. It's one of the best non-official game character pairings I have ever seen. Kanji accepted himself, instead of being tormented with the manifestation of his shadow Persona and how it "ridiculed" him in the Midnight Channel.
To keep it short, did the author play the fucking game?
To keep it short, did the author play the fucking game?
Junpei had an alcoholic abusive father. Patterns repeating and whatnot.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
The director was pretty terrible in Angel Beats!
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Well, when you have stuff like this that clearly displays the level of care they take when making it:
It's a good sign to stay away, hahaha.
XANDER CAGE
Member
The anime is so bad.
Wasn't his shadow about Yosuke putting up a happy-go-luck demeanor to hide the fact that he hated being in the sticks? Yosuke was being reckless and emotional in that hospital scene, but I'm not seeing what aspect of his shadow was reflected there.
It's awesomely bad though.
Well, when you have stuff like this that clearly displays the level of care they take when making it:
It's a good sign to stay away, hahaha.
Is that Chie in two places at the same time?
But I liked Angel Beats!... Whatevs!
Hmph, stuff like
Shadow Yu
toddhunter
Member
Both correct.
The anime is much more in line with the complaints of the article but it is still filled with so much awesome. I don't get the game getting bashed at all in comparison.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Nah, her shadow just wanted some watermelon too. Life in the TV gets boring man.
mullet2000
Member
I know this had likely been covered a million times in the 7 pages of this thread, but man what a thoughtless, terrible article.
There's no way the author could have actually followed through with Kanji's whole arc with an open mind. The Naoto stuff in that article is equally bad, too.
I mean, the entire goddamn game is about accepting yourself for who you are. Why does Kanji's arc have to go exactly as the author wanted it to, or else it's a wasted opportunity? Why does Naoto's? It's not a wasted opportunity because the character was never meant to be the way you want, Petit. Their issues weren't as simple as "I'm gay" or "I'm trans," they were actually more complex than that. Their arcs wouldn't automatically be "better" if they actually were gay or trans. That's not who they were.
Articles like this really get me angrier than I should get, but I really don't understand how anyone could come to this conclusion about Persona 4. Terrible.
*venting complete*
There's no way the author could have actually followed through with Kanji's whole arc with an open mind. The Naoto stuff in that article is equally bad, too.
I mean, the entire goddamn game is about accepting yourself for who you are. Why does Kanji's arc have to go exactly as the author wanted it to, or else it's a wasted opportunity? Why does Naoto's? It's not a wasted opportunity because the character was never meant to be the way you want, Petit. Their issues weren't as simple as "I'm gay" or "I'm trans," they were actually more complex than that. Their arcs wouldn't automatically be "better" if they actually were gay or trans. That's not who they were.
Articles like this really get me angrier than I should get, but I really don't understand how anyone could come to this conclusion about Persona 4. Terrible.
*venting complete*
This is the inevitable conclusion no matter the topic of discussion, even if the source of discussion is a controversial critique.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I'm a fan and watched the first episode and ended appalled.
Double Chie is fine tought.
The point of Kanji's effeminate homosexual shadow is not the homosexual part. It's the effeminate part. His whole deal was that he was seen as a macho tough guy buy he liked to knit and he loved his mom and stuff. He felt like he was trapped by his masculinity, and specifically other people's ideas of what that means.
An Naoto doesn't want to be a man, or identify as a man. She wants to be a typical detective like those found in fiction, and those typical detectives found in fiction are almost universally male. That's also why she acts a lot older than she is. That's how she wants to be seen (which is obviously the major running theme for everyone in the game).
This is the problem. Yosuke is a terrible person who says absolutely hateful things. But there's nothing wrong with having hateful characters in stuff. The problem is that the non-hateful characters apparently have little problem with Yosuke and his crap. They don't treat him like the asshole he is. I don't know why the other characters even want to hang out with him.
I'm so glad I finally get to beat the shit out of Yosuke in that game.
Think of a version of All in the Family where nobody ever calls Archie out on his bullshit.
What the fuck, is that what Rise sounds like in Japanese? Holy shit, I am SO GLAD I didn't have that screeching in my ear in every battle.
An Naoto doesn't want to be a man, or identify as a man. She wants to be a typical detective like those found in fiction, and those typical detectives found in fiction are almost universally male. That's also why she acts a lot older than she is. That's how she wants to be seen (which is obviously the major running theme for everyone in the game).
This is the problem. Yosuke is a terrible person who says absolutely hateful things. But there's nothing wrong with having hateful characters in stuff. The problem is that the non-hateful characters apparently have little problem with Yosuke and his crap. They don't treat him like the asshole he is. I don't know why the other characters even want to hang out with him.
I'm so glad I finally get to beat the shit out of Yosuke in that game.
Think of a version of All in the Family where nobody ever calls Archie out on his bullshit.
What the fuck, is that what Rise sounds like in Japanese? Holy shit, I am SO GLAD I didn't have that screeching in my ear in every battle.
If it's overdone sure, but I eat that shit up sadly if used sparingly.
Plus, the bros in arms during that scene was great.