soulassssns
Banned
Ummmmmm, ok?
I think they are just reviewing the games and not the developer/publishers DRM policy.
I think they are just reviewing the games and not the developer/publishers DRM policy.
Polygon gives high scores to games despite their anti-consumer aspects / DRM strategy
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Lord_Nergal
Member
cutmeamango
Banned
I disagree with it because I believe it would be subjectively bound to a fluctuating point. Would they keep adjusting their reviews?
Halo 5 costs 600.
Regardless of the quality presented, 600 is too much. "8.3".
Halo 5 msrp falls to 420.
While still very expensive, it now offers an easier price of entry. "8.6".
Halo 5 used* copies costs 100.
If you have the money to dish for a used copy, it is an incredible experience. "9.1" because the copy is used*.
Halo 5 is offered through Live IGC*.
Masterpiece. "11".
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As I said, it is important to inform and wager on pricing policies, strategies, functions and overall "money's worth", but I don't believe it belongs to the review or criticism of the game on its contents, even more so when such criticism has to be tied to a grading system, hence being personally against.
Most would argue the two are inextricable.
The experience was guided by a special arrangement with EA. They initially reviewed the game and gave it a 9.5 when the game depends on always-online working. EA catering to journalists reviewing the game is not indicative of the actual quality or experience of playing the game. Posting early reviews with higher scores is a cash grab.
Yep.
Why wouldn't they, though?
Again, who is the review for?
Isn't that important information for the people who might be purchasing the game?
Lord_Nergal
Member
Cash grab as in clicks?
Page views due to being one of the only sites with a review live.
test_account
XP-39C²
How is this anti-consumer? Honest question, i'm curious about it.
I've beaten all three Dead Space games and felt that the horror was well intact in all of the games. At least personally i didnt feel that Dead Space 3 was a shooter compared to Dead Space 1 and 2. I actually wonder why someone feels that it is a shooter game and not also a horror game. Maybe Dead Space 3 has more weapons available, but you had to do quite a fair share of shooting in Dead Space 1 and 2 as well.
The micro transactions in Dead Space 3 are just time saving stuff, you dont buy exclusive items or anything like that. Or maybe there is an upgraded Scavanger Bot that you can buy via micro transaction (i'm not sure if you can upgrade it in the game), but all it does is perhaps gathering more resources a bit faster. But the game has plenty of resources to come by in the game, so no need to buy any of the micro transactions really, expect if you want to get things done quicker. Based on this, i wouldnt call it anti-consumer at all because it doesnt affect the game nor the consumer in one way or the other.
slightconfuse
Banned
Jeff Hitting the nail on the head there
Anytime i hear this name i immediately think Douche, Asshole, Prick etc.
Yes. If you are out first when there are few reviews out, your site gets all the early clicks.
That's pretty much what I said in my previous post and why I like GB.
Haunted
Member
I can't imagine SimCity having worse problems than Error 37 and multiple-hour-long server maintenance periods on weekends.
Makes me wonder why Diablo III still has its 10.
Whatever. The Sim City review was a pretty dumb move by Polygon and they're rightfully getting ridiculed for it.
Makes me wonder why Diablo III still has its 10.
Whatever. The Sim City review was a pretty dumb move by Polygon and they're rightfully getting ridiculed for it.
Lord_Nergal
Member
Fair enough.
He also didn't even know where they were in the menus (or how to use them) during their quicklook video. Dude had like 300+ ration seals in his inventory.
There's a difference between defending a practice, and not being offended by it's mere existence. Do you do PR for Naughty Dog?
Harlock
Member
Always online games like Sim City and Diablo 3 need the MMO type of review.
Is fuckin shit like become the norm every always online game crash in the first couple of days. The publisher never going to put enough servers, because the game do a lot of online interactions to play the single player. The publisher try to improve, but in the end only waits for the number of access be lower.
Is fuckin shit like become the norm every always online game crash in the first couple of days. The publisher never going to put enough servers, because the game do a lot of online interactions to play the single player. The publisher try to improve, but in the end only waits for the number of access be lower.
You made a long thread about reviewers who overlook anti-consumer aspects yet turn around and love a guy who thinks content clearly created and iterated on during main development that is cut out for day one DLC is okay?
ebullientprism
Member
Vire
Member
That will never happen, which is why GAF is special.
IrishNinja
Member
fair points - also i thought Wario had one here earlier, do these get updated way later when servers inevitably go down? what exactly is the cutoff date for a "living" review, and what part of that exercise isn't vanity when the metacritic score is unaffected anyway?
Going by what Gies said, they'll probably wait it out until there's no queues, then put the score back up, then never speak of it again, which is the stupidest thing ever and why it doesn't matter what they did.
Riposte
Member
Wait... I'm trying to understand this post. Are you making a slippery slope argument by posting a link which describes the slippery slope fallacy?
I can't...
I think you don't understand what this means.
Your argument implies that the few of us not being bothered by microtransactions in DS3 is somehow going to lead to the death of the industry as we know it. All we're saying is "hey, the implementation THIS PARTICULAR TIME is not as offensive as we thought it could have been"
Vire
Member
Arkham City and ME:3. I stopped visiting their site around then (I was already flirting with the idea for different reasons) so I don't know of any further developments.
Riposte
Member
What is the joke?
Vire
Member
Complacence towards the idea is exactly what EA wants. You'll slowly succumb to accept more and more bullshit from them as if it's a normal every day routine and something that comes with the good and bad of games.
It doesn't have to be this way.
The problem is that there was no incongruity between your continued implied argument against microtransactions in this entire thread and what a slippery slope argument actually is.
And here is the slippery slope argument you have been championing stated clearly.
"All it takes is for you to accept it once and it's all down hill from there"
Vire
Member
You really don't think it's going to get worse?
Please tell me that with a straight face. I already have a huge problem with it.
BolognaSoup
Member
I don't know why I thought Gies was a credible dude even somewhat recently. I really don't.
Riposte
Member
So it wasn't a joke.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Vire
Member
It was tongue in cheek.
This is only the beginning for microtransactions. Look at the way iOS games are handling it.
Paranoid hyperbole? It's already affecting games today.
YuriLowell
Member
This makes me not want to purchase Sim City and black list polygon.
Grow the fuck up, both of you.
Grow the fuck up, both of you.
Assuming it won't is equally insane. What Vire describes is not a slippery slope argument in the first place. A slippery slope fallacy would be to say: "Acceptance of microtransactions in paid $60 will lead to the end of gaming."
What can I say? I choose not to live in fear of a future I can't predict.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Polygon posted Diablo III on the Verge before their own site launched.
Also, Arthur Gies still thinks that Diablo III was perfect at launch and that Blizzard's massive overhauls, rebalancing, and apologies were all just Blizzard making a perfect game even better.
In that plenty, plenty, plenty of budding designers, active and retired developers have been influenced by it, and that the games serve as examples of how procedures convey meaning when discussing and analyzing the formal (ontological?) elements of digital games.
Read either Unit Operations (esoteric work) or Persuasive Games (exoteric work). You don't seem to understand the topic.
Hot damn. Ice cold.
Vire
Member
All the more power to you, but ignorance is bliss.
You can either
A. Choose to accept it
B. Complain about it
I'm choosing the later.
I'm not saying gaming is doomed, great games will continue to be made. I'm saying, this is beginning of anti-consumer bullshit that will annoy us from here on out.
DragonSworne
Banned
Reviewer should automatically deduct points for always online DRM.
They should treat this kind of feature like a game breaking bug, bad framerate, etc.
They should treat this kind of feature like a game breaking bug, bad framerate, etc.