clay_ghost
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Well as many have said before less sales = possible less games coming out. Also remember Dreamcast and virtualboy? If hardware does not sell they will kill its production.
PlayStation Vita Sales See Massive Spike in Japan (nearly six times increase)
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Well as many have said before less sales = possible less games coming out. Also remember Dreamcast and virtualboy? If hardware does not sell they will kill its production.
peanutbutterlatte
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I want both of them to do well, why wouldn't anybody? Bigger handheld market is something we should definitely want. That said, there's some serious denial and pipe dreaming going on here.
Omnistalgic
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true, but we know Vita isn't dying this year. I have a good handful of games I want to play let alone the amazing back-catalog of titles from PSP and some smaller indy games that get ported over.
Don't get me wrong, I waited on Vita sales to pick up after it's release. I really wanted it to become my JRPG home. I see 3DS selling a boatload, and still not the amount/types of experiences I want on it, so I just went out a supported what hardware I preferred. Will I be sad if no one else thinks it's cool but me? Sure, but at least 4-5 million other people already do, and I'll enjoy it until it stops being supported.
Sales threads is like worrying about the future--you can't control it, so just enjoy the present.
clay_ghost
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its good news, show that people care about vita =D
I imagine everyone will just laughs at virtualboy.
I think SS will help push the vita sales worldwide , not high but enough to become gamecube level. I hope Sony will stay in the market for nextgen , the psp was a beast , sony should learn and not screw up again. PSP vs DS gave us a lots of gems to play!
I dont get the Vita hate either. Its just so immature and childish. As gamers we should be hoping it does well since competition is good. If Nintendo and Sony decided to pull out of the handheld market next gen what where then would we be? Looking back as we played cheap and shallow touch games on our phones.
Time to grow up folks.
Time to grow up folks.
Wish more people could think like that.
Psycho_Mantis
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Yeah I was one of those people than thought PSP > DS and right now the 3DS is not tempting me at all. P4G >>> anything the 3DS has available for the west right now.
GhostTrick
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P4G is a port and that's it. You could play it on PS2, if not for bonuses. People should evolve and start playing new games IMO.
electroplankton
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I didn't bless the 3DS. I wrote, clearly, that it's selling decently; not even good, decently. And I just replied to someone else who brought up 3DS here; before, I always wrote about Vita. And I didn't shit on Vita. I said that the boost is nice, but in order to see some impact on developers' decision, Vita will need a long-lasting boost in hardware sales (not so high, but if it could pull around 20-25k weekly it would be a lot better). Just read what I wrote.
It's weird. If you preferred PSP over DS, how you're not interested in 3DS, that's having far more PSP-like titles than Vita? Monster Hunter, Kingdom Hearts, Ace Combat, all Atlus jRPG but Persona, Metal Gear Solid, it's having its own Miku as well. That's not to be polemic, but I loved PSP back then and I cannot find any similarity with Vita right now.
clay_ghost
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That's his view and he can play whatever he likes.
Not that he is right that P4G is better than the 3da games
Because it is a lot easier to hate/destroy than to love/create.
Yeah, guys. Evolve already. Chop, chop.
ehhhh I don't really give a shit.
if either of them die, it's cool cuz of the drama it brings kinda like what this thread clearly demonstrates.
but I guess my favorite part of sales threads is when all negative talk equates to hate. Like fuck, I guess not a lot of us are capable of reading in between lines? Posts like "the Vita is dead"... are some of you taking that shit seriously? It's obviously a jape.
It's like being in an exclusive club or some shit analogy like that.
"Vita did decent for its price cut week" = ok you're in!
"It might not be able to keep up its sales momentum" = nah you're out
Canis lupus
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Agree. 2014 could be the year of Vita, it depends on how it sells in the next few months, if it does decent devs will resume their Vita projects and start porting over 3DS titles that'll be ready by the end of the year at the earliest. Next year the rumored 3 year handheld exclusivity for MH will run out.
your view is far too simplistic. this isn't about Sony being in a "war" with Nintendo, nor is it possible for Sony to make Vita successful without more of a risk investment.
I sound like a broken record, but Sony isn't going to bow out by choice, they will soon be forced out due to lack of support from publishers and retailers. this has nothing to do with bias or fanboyism, it's the reality of a handheld that has sold under 4 million worldwide after over a year on the market. Sony is in desperate times, selling off their assets left and right to stay afloat, so it's foolish to think they'll pour more money into a sector that is dying outside of Japan. it's made even more foolish when you consider how little support Sony is showing Vita.
clay_ghost
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Hopefully sales will be like the gamecube and have decent ports and some great excusive like the GC did. Not sure if capcom will jump back to vita but you will never know, I think devlopers will resume support only if it continue to sell like this for the next month ....
immortal-joe
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Can we make a 3DS vs Vita "garbage" thread, similar to what was done with GT and Forza?
There's a large difference between the 3DS vs. Vita situation and the Wii vs PS3/360 situation. The Wii died early because Nintendo stopped supporting the machine and third parties were never there to support it in the first place. All the while third party titles (along with great first party titles) were coming out on the PS3/360, and they looked incredible. The lack of games/support plus the iPhone/iPod touch were the main reasons the Wii ended up the way it did post 2009/2010. On the 3DS there's the majority of handheld third party teams working on it and Nintendo is making constant hits. There's no indication that third parties will suddenly move over to a failing handheld (Vita) and with third parties picking up the slack there's no reason to see a Wii-esque situation.
There's also no reason to believe that things will change Vita side either. It's few big releases haven't really been major hits (when your biggest hit is a port that's kind of worrying), and Sony has been in a perpetual stupor in regards to responding to the failure like Nintendo had. Nintendo were on the ball with that, and did massive price cuts and provided games a few months later. Sony has been slow and unresponsive and seem to only be providing life support with a few ports and a few games. Unless there is a sudden hit game ala Monster Hunter or a risky decision by Sony I doubt this situation will change. You can't save a dying person by ignoring them, and you can't save a dying gaming platform by ignoring it.
Okay I kind of laughed at that. Such a stupid metaphor. I love my Vita and all but I'm not going to believe the impossible is going to happen. *goes back to Persona 4: Golden*
It was a response to the "3DS is selling bad as well"-crowd. Obviously theres is a huge difference between how those two systems sell, especially if we consider that 3DS already sold nearly half the amount the X360 sold for example. 30 m against 4 million demonstrates that there is a huge difference actually and that there is no reason to lump them together saleswise.
@turkishemperor
It´s just a rumour and by 2015 the majority of the Monster Hunter fanbase is on 3DS either way. A MH4G release makes more sense than a port on a failed system and Monster Hunter has no relevance outside Japan anyway. So how should this have any impact in US/Europe. If Capcom is desperate for some quick cash there is a slim possibility of a port in 2015/16 when PSVs userbase isn´t as ridiculously low as today, but would it actually have any decicive impact then? Also at that point the next gen handheld announcement might be around the corner anyway.
Napalm_Frank
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But we make these threads every week?
So should I delete the P4G from my vita and search for a PS2 copy of the inferior version somewhere or just play something new? I don't get it.
these kind of threads only turn to shit the second someone spouts "stop hating on the Vita" and the not so bad but still bad "The Vita is dead"
It was a troll post what you wrote.Nobody said that 3DS sells as bad as Vita.The only thing that was implied is that 3DS is not selling as good as DS was because of the smartphones and tablets.Compared to what DS was doing at this time 3DS sells bad in the US.In Europe it has decent numbers.
You even denied that 3DS sold at least decently. That´s why I compared them.
Napalm_Frank
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It's always strange to see threads like this. In these threads we certainly see people who don't have a Vita and try to mock at Vita with also false things, as well as people who have the console and that fell "hurt" by what's said by reasonable posters like Father, metalslimer, Takao, etc.etc. and they mock at 3DS in response to that, or other people that enter here just to mock at both saying they will die for the justice of our big iOS / Android Gods 
P). What some of the users here posting needs to reliase is that this is a SALES thread, so in this thread SALES are the main talk obviously, and unfortunately Vita in this sense is a disaster.
I don't want to be negative, but how can you call a console that did around 4 millions WW in its first year, that after this week in Japan has no exclusive support and some multi releases for the coming months, that in Europe and US is doing numbers much worse than PSP in 2011, when it was already considered dead? At least, it's good to see that the userbase is quite a concentration of "core" gamers since indie titles are performing well on the platform and other indie exclusives / multi with PS3 / ports will come, but it's undeniable that 4 million after the first year (first year+ in Japan), with a price cut that didn't have a giant effect and with not even mid-budgeted exclusives for the upcoming months in Japan, and in the much worse situation outside Japan, where there's no pricecut right now. These are all SALES facts, not astractions or anything like that. It's worse than Dreamcast right now, everyone feeling "hurt" by all this Vita's negative talk by many posters (excluding the trolls, obivously) should realise this.
P). What some of the users here posting needs to reliase is that this is a SALES thread, so in this thread SALES are the main talk obviously, and unfortunately Vita in this sense is a disaster. I don't want to be negative, but how can you call a console that did around 4 millions WW in its first year, that after this week in Japan has no exclusive support and some multi releases for the coming months, that in Europe and US is doing numbers much worse than PSP in 2011, when it was already considered dead? At least, it's good to see that the userbase is quite a concentration of "core" gamers since indie titles are performing well on the platform and other indie exclusives / multi with PS3 / ports will come, but it's undeniable that 4 million after the first year (first year+ in Japan), with a price cut that didn't have a giant effect and with not even mid-budgeted exclusives for the upcoming months in Japan, and in the much worse situation outside Japan, where there's no pricecut right now. These are all SALES facts, not astractions or anything like that. It's worse than Dreamcast right now, everyone feeling "hurt" by all this Vita's negative talk by many posters (excluding the trolls, obivously) should realise this.
It's always strange to see threads like this. In these threads we certainly see people who don't have a Vita and try to mock at Vita with also false things, as well as people who have the console and that fell "hurt" by what's said by reasonable posters like Father, metalslimer, Takao, etc.etc. and they mock at 3DS in response to that, or other people that enter here just to mock at both saying they will die for the justice of our big iOS / Android Gods
I don't want to be negative, but how can you call a console that did around 4 millions WW in its first year, that after this week in Japan has no exclusive support and some multi releases for the coming months, that in Europe and US is doing numbers much worse than PSP in 2011, when it was already considered dead? At least, it's good to see that the userbase is quite a concentration of "core" gamers since indie titles are performing well on the platform and other indie exclusives / multi with PS3 / ports will come, but it's undeniable that 4 million after the first year (first year+ in Japan), with a price cut that didn't have a giant effect and with not even mid-budgeted exclusives for the upcoming months in Japan, and in the much worse situation outside Japan, where there's no pricecut right now. These are all SALES facts, not astractions or anything like that. It's worse than Dreamcast right now, everyone feeling "hurt" by all this Vita's negative talk by many posters (excluding the trolls, obivously) should realise this.
Your tag basically is what happened in this thread.
"Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!"
You might wanna check your sources.
Decently according to whom? Certainly not Nintendo, they've had to cut every sales forecast, even after a drastic pricecut and some huge software. Over Xmas it was down YoY in the US and Europe IIRC. That ain't decent, that's decline.
Regardless, this is a thread about the sales spike for Japanese Vitas, not the 3DS. Let's hope it continues next week.
Decently compared to systems like PS3 and X360. It sold 30m in 2 years and has a very promising 2013 ahead with Monster Hunter 4 and Pokemon X&Y.
Has that like ever not happened?
yeah.... like once or twice since the Vita came out in Japan >_>
I remember this guy.
electroplankton
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Was it down YoY in Europe as well?
Oh, end-of-life consoles. Eh, not sure how comparable those are.
I think it was but I can't find the figures so I might well be wrong (or confusing EU with UK).
sono
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Dont know whats going on in this thread as I dont have time to read everything, But its good that the price cut has shown increased demand.
I am sure that Sony continue to demonstrating support for the Vita for the long term as they said they would, and that developer support should grow (or return) accordingly, started projects get finished etc.
Its a great piece of powerful technology as all Vita owners will testify. I think 3DS and Vita markets target owners have enough differences that a direct comparison may not be appropriate or that relevant. Rightly or wrongly 3DS may be associated with a younger owner.
I am sure that Sony continue to demonstrating support for the Vita for the long term as they said they would, and that developer support should grow (or return) accordingly, started projects get finished etc.
Its a great piece of powerful technology as all Vita owners will testify. I think 3DS and Vita markets target owners have enough differences that a direct comparison may not be appropriate or that relevant. Rightly or wrongly 3DS may be associated with a younger owner.
No, I´m comparing lifetime sales. 3DS after 2 years already sold 30million units which comes very close to half the console sales X360 did in 7-8 years and what PS3 did in 6-7 years. Also this year seems to be the most successful 3DS year with a holiday lineup with the stongest handheld system-sellers.
electroplankton
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Yes, usually PAL =/= UK.
Gokurakumaru
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Those consoles sold that much with about a 30% market share, not 90%. Vita is bombing, sure. And Nintendo will make a tidy profit on the 3DS, enough to ensure a followup handheld.
But is is the 3DS selling as much as the DS did when it was competing against the PSP which was a much stronger competitor? Nope. The handheld market is in decline and the 3DS has only one direction to trend sales-wise, and that's down.
What the handheld market saturation point is in the post-smartphone era is anybody's guess. But let's not sugar coat this. Nintendo are going to have to cheat nature with colours, XLs and DSi-style revisions to maintain the current sales volume.
So 3DS sales aren´t at the very least decent in your opinion? Because that´s what I´m trying to show with these comparisons. Sorry, we aren´t talking about a system that struggled to sell 4m units so far like PSV but about a system that sold 30 millions in two years. By the end of the next fiscal year (31.March 2014) it´s supposed to be at 40m-50m units, that isn´t bad at all, especially if we consider how bad you can perform if you can´t produce an appealing eco-system -> PSV 4-5m so far.
Psycho_Mantis
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P4G is not a port. Its like a HD remake with added content. Its the superior version of P4 just like how P3:FES is the superior version to P3.
I play what I want. I don't give a fuck if the game is a new or old IP if its fun I will play it.
Not that he is right that P4G is better than the 3da games
Woah whats a 3da
There is one title I desperately want to play on the 3DS.....Bravely Default ;___;
My favourite games on the PSP were MGS, FF, KH, jrpgs, Loco Roco and GT.
I stopped playing handheld KH's after BBS because I just wanted to play Kh on a console not a handheld. Also the story seemed less significant than BBS's and the fighting system did not look as good.
I was never a big fan of MH. Ace combat lol I didn't even get that for the PSP. Persona is the only Atlus JRPG a care about for now. Actually Dragons Crown looks awesome.
3DS does not have a MGS....I dont want ports I mean something like PW or acid etc.
I never saw the attraction to Miku either. The only rhythm games I am interested in are Lumines and Theatrhythm.
Neither Vita or 3DS have stepped up to PSP imo.
electroplankton
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3DS was destined to go down in any case. DS is the fastest-selling console ever, it's probably going to cross the 150mln mark in less than 10 years (and keep selling). That doesn't mean 3DS won't succeed. I think everyone, and Nintendo themselves, was expecting a decline with respect to DS. In the worst case scenario, we're coming back in a GBA situation, which is not bad at all.
I don't want to point out your tastes, but you seem a bit biased against 3DS, in my opinion. If you liked BbS, there's no way you couldn't find at least enjoyable 3D. The combat system is much better; story-wise is less packed but still interesting overall for a fan; in general, it's a high-value production and one of the best jRPGs on 3DS. Also, Dragon's Crown is not a jRPG.
Anyway, what you're saying is "I liked PSP, but I don't like a platform that in general is continuing to have similar titles to PSP". Well, fair enough.
Gokurakumaru
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Of course it's selling decent. That doesn't mean it's not underperforming. The Vita is simply doing it more spectacularly.
Then you should keep a little bit more attention because I responded to Celestial because he denied it was doing decent. Also it´s silly to lump them together sales-wise, while one is underperforming compared to the best selling system ever, the other one outright bombed so far.
all correct, but it'd be disingenuous to pretend the dedicated handheld market hasn't shrunk. we might be past the biggest dip, but handhelds will continue to lose favor to iOS games. even I, a "hardcore" gamer, will be making the switch, as I find my iphone to be more than sufficient.
CadetMahoney
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I vote for this too.
Something can sell decently but still underperform to expectation. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Kind of like VITA's number this week in Japan.
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And I'm not sure when it became less than decent to sell 20 million in 2 years outside Japan.
Pachterballs
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this thread is completely garbaged now.
so yes.
so yes.
electroplankton
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The market can well come back to the pre-DS levels, with just one successful hardware maker.
michaelius
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Unless Pokemon sells milions of consoles and pushes 3DS up YOY over 2012 then 70-80 milions of PSP-GBA sales will be best case scenario.
And this year they probably won't have new model to save them like XL did in 2012.
Gokurakumaru
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It's not silly to lump them together, because as "big youth" above pointed out, the entire market has shrunk. If the 3DS is doing fine selling less than it should be, the Vita selling 4 million units in 12 months might not be the end of the world either. The thread is about the Vita after all, and there is clearly some life left in it based on recent sales.
unless i am seeing games like dragonquest .SMT uncharted and SS priced on an ios/ android/smartphone at 0.99$ i don't see myself ever making it my main handheld system especially since it won't have any buttons .
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