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Iwata implies he may resign over poor business performance

Wii U was at least 1 if not 2 years too late, costs $100 too much for a nintendo console
3DS never should have had 3D, also poorly named and poorly priced
Skyward Sword not saved for Wii U

Some colossal fuck ups there. Those aren't design decisions, those are top level decisions.

and yet other platform holders are able to get away with fuck ups that dwarf the ones you mentioned, despite being in the red and at a thirty year low, completely neglecting to support one of their two key platforms, and having to sell off major internal assets in order to stay afloat.

It's as if being too big to fail is okay, but being a medium sized company making medium sized mistakes is somehow completely unforgivable.

He says the entire US marketing team including Reggie is great, but they are hamstrung by Japan's poor decisions.
That's something I can believe. There was a rumor circulating around the net that Reggie was the person originally in charge of the decision to bundle Wii Sports with every console, which if true is more than enough to convince me he knows his stuff. I think Nintendo's overly centralized management of its global affairs is something we've seen other Japan based international companies do as well, such as Sega and Sony. Hopefully Nintendo wises up and fares better than they have.
 
Wii U was at least 1 if not 2 years too late, costs $100 too much for a nintendo console
3DS never should have had 3D, also poorly named and poorly priced
Skyward Sword not saved for Wii U

Some colossal fuck ups there. Those aren't design decisions, those are top level decisions.



Should have been out in 2010, 2011 at the latest. Just my opinion but they should have stuck with motion controls or gone all the way back to traditional controls.
This. They shouldn't have gone with the Game Pad idea. It's cause more negatives for them than positives. It increased the cost of the console way too much to the point where casual gamers aren't going to buy it and the concept isn't even as interesting nor innovation as the Wii remote. I'd much rather have an expansion on the Wii concept (or even something different) with HD graphics than what we got with the Wii U. I also agree the console should have released in 2011. It almost seemed like Nintendo was going to since they had shown the console in it's entirety at E3 2011, just not the games.

and yet other platform holders are able to get away with fuck ups that dwarf the ones you mentioned, despite being in the red and at a thirty year low, completely neglecting to support one of their two key platforms, and having to sell off major internal assets in order to stay afloat.

It's as if being too big to fail is okay, but being a medium sized company making medium sized mistakes is somehow completely unforgivable.
You're implying there aren't complaining about the Vita and other fuck ups too? Are we on the same forum here? Nintendo is getting more complaining because third parties fill out the other consoles, which is not a thing Nintendo has the privilege of. The release schedule on the Wii U is near empty in comparison to the other consoles.
 
3DS sales are downright bad in America. It's down YOY here and well below DS and GBA. Even Iwata at the last shareholders meeting said 3DS sales outside of Japan are weak. Oh and it has failed to meet every single sales target Nintendo has set for it, even after they have revised their projection downwards multiple times.

Now we are talking about projections, I can deal with that, but ca. 20mio units until end of 2012 outside of Japan is "not making a dent"?? Puhhhllleeeaaassseee...

Oh and Nintendo's FY2013 ends soon and Nintendo says it will be a loss. So yes, 2 years of losses.

Let's wait and see, shall we?
I believe we'd have to agree on operating vs. net anyways ;)
 
I'm having a hard time to see much resembling a strategy with Wii U, other than "gimmick + early launch + 2D Mario".

how would you argue Wii U had an early launch? it released 6 years after Wii, the longest gap since the NES/SNES transition, and the Wii was painfully outdated beyond 2010. If anything it was a late launch. just ask Pachter.

Nintendo's strategy hasn't changed much: high quality games + expanded market games. 2D Mario at launch was a good idea on paper, and I've only seen people call it insufficient in hindsight.

I like Iwata but he needs to get a better handle on NoA and NoE.
 
And BTW, he says Nintendo has 8-9 billion in cash. Didn't they used to have much more than that? Or am I mistaken?

Its always been around the 10 billion mark, but I guess they have been expanding a bit and funding some things in recent years. It probably still is around 10 to be honest though.
 
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And BTW, he says Nintendo has 8-9 billion in cash. Didn't they used to have much more than that? Or am I mistaken?

They keep a consistent cash reserve of around 9 billion. It's been standard policy since they entered the video game business in the aftermath of the Atari crash.
 
lol you know people haven't said anything like this until he (Iwata) implies resigning. 2 months of no new releases and you guys go ape.

2 months ?

Have Nintendo fucked up 3DS launch and post launch software lineup?
Have Nintendo fucked up 3DS 2012 holidays with not big enough software outside of Japan ?
Have Nintendo fucked up Wii U launch ?
Have Nintendo delayed all titles that were supposed to be launched in initial 3 months for Wii U?
Will the big Nintendo titles for Wii U launch in Q3 2013 at the earliest ?

So far the only thing he did well in last 2 years is reversing 3DS fortunes by drastic price cut - problems which were caused by his own lack of foresight and beliving 3D craze for some unknown reasons would be anything but fad this time.
 
The pach attack video was hard to watch. Nintendo's model of being in the console market is broken because after making bank on the Wii for 6 years they have less margin on the Wii U now?

WHAT THE HELL!

Doesn't Pachter know Xbox and Playstation have been sold at a loss? Doesn't he know that the cost of the Wii U will come down as time goes on? Doesn't he know that Nintendo is earning loads of money selling their games on their console and that going the way of Sega could blow the entire company up (like Sega)? Annoying that he gets a stage to speak on when he is so clueless.
 
You're implying there aren't complaining about the Vita and other fuck ups too? Are we on the same forum here? Nintendo is getting more complaining because third parties fill out the other consoles, which is not a thing Nintendo has the privilege of. The release schedule on the Wii U is near empty in comparison to the other consoles.

I'm not talking about people complaining on Gaf, I'm talking about analysts like Pachter going on record saying Iwata is a poor CEO. I don't listen to him much so I may be missing something, but was he this adamant about Sony including a Blu Ray drive and custom Cell Processor in every PS3?
Has he been this critical of Kaz Hirai's or Shuhei Yoshida's handling of the Vita catastrophe?

How about Sony's major losses in its other departments? Hell, how about some criticism of EA for its laughingly amateurish handling of its own internal IPs and sports licenses during the past few years?

Lets not forget the billions of dollars Microsoft have lost on Xbox over the years just because they tell us it's part of their bigger plan! Because we all know they are perfectly safe and secure with Windows and Office! Yep, all three recent releases of Windows have just been flying off shelves, guaranteeing the Xbox division has nothing to worry about.

Pach's predictions are myopic by design thus appeal to short term stock traders.
This is very true. And Nintendo, being extremely long sighted in order to facilitate survival, will always come out looking poorly when viewed through his eyes.
 
Really?

Both have been brought up hundreds of time on this site alone.

You can remove 3D from the 3DS completely with a swipe of the slider, and I've heard about people wanting Xenoblade on the Wii U, but Skyward Sword would have to be delayed an entire year (granted, that's not as much time people had to wait to get Xenoblade outside Japan).
 
You can remove 3D from the 3DS completely with a swipe of the slider, and I've heard about people wanting Xenoblade on the Wii U, but Skyward Sword would have to be delayed an entire year (granted, that's not as much time people had to wait to get Xenoblade outside Japan).

Even if 3D didn't add much cost to the system, it did add cost and it does add bulk to the top screen. It also added to the unclear nature of the system - was it just a DS with 3D?

Nintendo did the right thing with Twilight Princess. They did the wrong thing with Skyward Sword. It sold well but it didn't help Nintendo sell more consoles.
 
Well, I don't think Nintendo should go third-party either, but why wouldn't have those games sold as much if they were on the 360 or PS3? It's not like they would have had competition either way.


because how the platforms in general are marketed and what games are available. the marketing of PS360 and the games available are oriented to a 15-35 male audience and not much beyond that. nintendo traditionally caters to a much lower sub 8 audience and now they are catering to women and elderly people. its just a different market.

look at sega. they had the arcade market down and profited from it a lot with their arcade ports. once sega was out of the picture the arcade style games evaporated from the market. similar things may happen to the kids market as outside of nintendo there is no one really making those kinds of games.
At least he backs up his arguments. I don't agree that a sudden shift to multiplatform is a road to guaranteed success, but personally I would definitely be interested in getting Nintendo games on the PS4. :P Pachter is right that it probably won't happen until they absolutely must do it to save their asses. The wave of negativity crashing against Nintendo is just crazy non-stop these days. As a former Nintendo fanboy from back in the day it's kinda sad to see, but the Wii U was just a stupid idea.

And BTW, he says Nintendo has 8-9 billion in cash. Didn't they used to have much more than that? Or am I mistaken?

well maybe you would be interested but the gros of the ps3 users are busy playing call of duty.
Releasing Wii HD two years ago when the Wii stalled would have been a great idea. They might have been able to right the ship.

How exactly are they going to sell 70 million Mario Karts on the Wii U? 5 pack bundles?
pachter said that they would sell double as much software if they release games on ps360. Im just saying that his arguments base on no reality
 
I'm not talking about people complaining on Gaf, I'm talking about analysts like Pachter going on record saying Iwata is a poor CEO. I don't listen to him much so I may be missing something, but was he this adamant about Sony including a Blu Ray drive and custom Cell Processor in every PS3?
Has he been this critical of Kaz Hirai's or Shuhei Yoshida's handling of the Vita catastrophe?

How about Sony's major losses in its other departments? Hell, how about some criticism of EA for its laughingly amateurish handling of its own internal IPs and sports licenses during the past few years?

Lets not forget the billions of dollars Microsoft have lost on Xbox over the years just because they tell us it's part of their bigger plan! Because we all know they are perfectly safe and secure with Windows and Office! Yep, all three recent releases of Windows have just been flying off shelves, guaranteeing the Xbox division has nothing to worry about.


This is very true. And Nintendo, being extremely long sighted in order to facilitate survival, will always come out looking poorly when viewed through his eyes.
-Patcher is Patcher. He always says statements like that to get hits. The thing is that Sony has kept quiet on the Vita compared to Nintendo is pretty vocal regarding their failures and have acknowledged that he might leave if things are bad, which things are looking to be. It's a hot topic sort of thing.

-After E3 2006 Sony was kind of a laughing stock regarding PR and public opinion. I didn't really read analyst opinions back then but I'd assume they'd be pretty horrible too.

-Sony has been talked about a lot by non-gaming analysts (they seem to be hopeful in the long run), and analysts tend to care about more profits and stock holders. EA is constantly bringing in money so not much to talk about there. That's more of a public opinion/news site sort of thing.

-The Xbox has been one of the more successful ventures for MS. Windows 8 is pretty much the next Windows Vista, but seeing as the only alternatives are Macs and Linux at the moment I think their only true competition is Windows 7. WP8 was a disaster though, but any phone with Windows on it hasn't been too popular since iOS.

-That's true but Nintendo has been fucking up lately in general. They messed up the 3DS launch/post-launch, and their entire Q4/Q1 was/is kinda shit. Poor Wii U launch and no stand out holiday 3DS games in NA/EU. They have the possibility to lose relevancy to the casual market and the hardcore gaming markets depending on what they do in the next few years.
 
-Patcher is Patcher. He always says statements like that to get hits. The thing is that Sony has kept quiet on the Vita compared to Nintendo is pretty vocal regarding their failures and have acknowledged that he might leave if things are bad, which things are looking to be. It's a hot topic sort of thing.

-After E3 2006 Sony was kind of a laughing stock regarding PR and public opinion. I didn't really read analyst opinions back then but I'd assume they'd be pretty horrible too.

-Sony has been talked about a lot by non-gaming analysts (they seem to be hopeful in the long run), and analysts tend to care about more profits and stock holders. EA is constantly bringing in money so not much to talk about there. That's more of a public opinion/news site sort of thing.

-The Xbox has been one of the more successful ventures for MS. Windows 8 is pretty much the next Windows Vista, but seeing as the only alternatives are Macs and Linux at the moment I think their only true competition is Windows 7. WP8 was a disaster though, but any phone with Windows on it hasn't been too popular since iOS.

-That's true but Nintendo has been fucking up lately in general. They messed up the 3DS launch/post-launch, and their entire Q4/Q1 was/is kinda shit. Poor Wii U launch and no stand out holiday 3DS games in NA/EU.
youd be surprised but pachter said that sony will be number 1 in 2006

also financial analysts wouldnt be rating sony bonds as junk if they thought sony is doing great.
 
youd be surprised but pachter said that sony will be number 1 in 2006

also financial analysts wouldnt be rating sony bonds as junk if they thought sony is doing great.
Once again, Patcher is Patcher. He is usually the Nostradamus of game analysts. Iwata being a poor CEO as of late is probably one of the few times where I agree with him.

And I don't follow Sony all that much (more of a Nintendo fan so I don't follow the other companies that much), but I thought they had the best outlook in terms of Japanese electronics companies? I remember there being a thread about it a while ago. I might've mistaken it, and if so my bad.
 
Once again, Patcher is Patcher. He is usually the Nostradamus of game analysts. Iwata being a poor CEO as of late is probably one of the few times where I agree with him.

hey i agree that Iwata is a poor ceo at the moment as well. however for very different reasons. iwata failed to expand nintendos development force when he currently has the money and potential take over objects to do so.
And I don't follow Sony all that much (more of a Nintendo fan so I don't follow the other companies that much), but I thought they had the best outlook in terms of Japanese electronics companies? I remember there being a thread about it a while ago. I might've mistaken it, and if so my bad.

if a junk rating is the best outlook than it only tells you in what a shape japanese electronics companies are right now.
 
hey i agree that Iwata is a poor ceo at the moment as well. however for very different reasons. iwata failed to expand nintendos development force when he currently has the money and potential take over objects to do so.

if a junk rating is the best outlook than it only tells you in what a shape japanese electronics companies are right now.
I made a post earlier referring the lack of expansion being a big problem. Just hate repeating myself over and over. :P

Oh yeah I know. I thought it was better than a junk rating I suppose.
 
Wii U was at least 1 if not 2 years too late, costs $100 too much for a nintendo console

It's release and price aren't the biggest issues. The issue is for some stupid reason, Nintendo thought they could piggy back on the Wii and use it to sale the Wii U, and it back fired. No one knows that the Wii U is a brand new console, most people believe it's a controller for the Wii, if not it's just a remodel of the Wii. There were far too many Wii peripherals with "Wii" in the name and Nintendo didn't stop it, leading up to this confusion. It also doesn't help that their commercials show people using Wii remotes and not saying it's a new console or showing the console. This further the thought that it's just the Wii in the public's mind.

3DS never should have had 3D, also poorly named and poorly priced

At release, yes, $250 was over priced, but $170 isn't. The name wasn't the bad choice here, instead the look was. It looked too similar to the DS/DSi. Like with WiiU, people felt that they already had a DS/DSi and that there isn't a reason to buy another one. They are unaware the 3DS games won't work on DS/DSi. The look should've been the XL from the beginning, it was bigger, but flatter. Rounded, but had it's own look. That wouldn've made it so people knew it was different. Also, never understood the "shouldn't have had 3D" argument, it usually has little backing or logical reason other than "I just don't like the 3D."

Skyward Sword not saved for Wii U

This wouldn't have accomplished much at all.

The issue Nintendo is having is letting go of their current cash cows. The Wii's sales are slow, yes, but every time it sales that 6,000 units a week worldwide, Nintendo makes a hell of a profit, same with the DSi. Nintendo is holding on to tightly to them, when it's exactly whats killing them right now. The Wii U will sale when Nintendo kills the Wii and push the Wii U as something different, not something the same. The 3DS will do better (it's not doing as bad as people are making it seem) when the DSi if finally put to rest, and the 3DS is the only thing people can buy.
 
Not sure about people saying should of saved TP for wiiu

I do believe it needs a wiiu rerelease, much like Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, esp. since 3DS version is selling and has the online features the wii version was meant to have orginally.
 
All I know is that under his watch, Nintendo has become a shadow of its former self. Bouncing from one crisis to another and forever making the same mistakes.

It's like the don't know how to balance things. They're either too core or too casual. The only SNES Nintendo was both.
 
All I know is that under his watch, Nintendo has become a shadow of its former self. Bouncing from one crisis to another and forever making the same mistakes.

It's like the don't know how to balance things. They're either too core or too casual. The only SNES Nintendo was both.


Actually, I would describe Nintendo has short sighted and narrow minded when it comes to business decisions.

They luck out and a few brilliant ideas catapulted them to huge success, but thy underlying short sightedness has prevented them from continuing that success.

They have squandered all their opportunities.
 
I wonder if Iwata Asks and Nintendo Direct are calculated moves on Iwata's part to make him more likeable so he can get away with awful decisions.

Nintendo Direct makes him look like a children's television show host. Maybe he's practicing for his future career.
 
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All I know is that under his watch, Nintendo has become a shadow of its former self. Bouncing from one crisis to another and forever making the same mistakes.

It's like the don't know how to balance things. They're either too core or too casual. The only SNES Nintendo was both.

well he became ceo in the early GBA&GC days and made Wii/DS mega successes. I would argue nintendo is much more relevant now than back in the GBA&GC days.
I wonder if Iwata Asks and Nintendo Direct are calculated moves on Iwata's part to make him more likeable so he can get away with awful decisions.

Iwata Asks and Nintendo direct are aimed at consumers not at shareholders. the people that can decide to kick him are the shareholders not so much the consumers (they can indirectly by not buying nintendo stuff)
 
I wonder if Iwata Asks and Nintendo Direct are calculated moves on Iwata's part to make him more likeable so he can get away with awful decisions.

I am sure that irrational Nintendo fans and/or irrational gamers in general would easily believe this. But then, they believe anything. Such as that Miyamoto is an evil old man who rubs his hands together in his office, scheming on how to personally ruin our precious vidya gaems.

Actually, I would describe Nintendo has short sighted and narrow minded when it comes to business decisions.

They luck out and a few brilliant ideas catapulted them to huge success, but thy underlying short sightedness has prevented them from continuing that success.

They have squandered all their opportunities.

Nintendo seemed to have no problem with consistent business vision when gaming was smaller and Japan was the center of the second wave of video game consoles after the American crash of 83/84. They made consistently good decisions for their own best interests.

Their problems really began when Sony entered the game and was aggressive about the global picture. Nintendo attempted to manage the N64 as they had the SNES in some ways, and that screwed them. Ever since then, it appears that they've been troubled by that loss. Rather than making a bunch of short sighted decisions, they've really been performing attempts at damage control.

In earlier eras when the average game player was younger and unaware of how anything worked as business and in a market, these things were invisible. It's why so many Nintendo fans see the N64 and Gamecube as a golden age, blissfully unaware of how troubled things were. And unaware that the Gamecube was a "failure".
 
Even if 3D didn't add much cost to the system, it did add cost and it does add bulk to the top screen. It also added to the unclear nature of the system - was it just a DS with 3D?

Nintendo did the right thing with Twilight Princess. They did the wrong thing with Skyward Sword. It sold well but it didn't help Nintendo sell more consoles.

If any game was going to bring in the core gamers and help sell new consoles, it would have been a new Smash Bros.
 
I am sure that irrational Nintendo fans and/or irrational gamers in general would easily believe this. But then, they believe anything. Such as that Miyamoto is an evil old man who rubs his hands together in his office, scheming on how to personally ruin our precious vidya gaems.



Nintendo seemed to have no problem with consistent business vision when gaming was smaller and Japan was the center of the second wave of video game consoles after the American crash of 83/84. They made consistently good decisions for their own best interests.

Their problems really began when Sony entered the game and was aggressive about the global picture. Nintendo attempted to manage the N64 as they had the SNES in some ways, and that screwed them. Ever since then, it appears that they've been troubled by that loss. Rather than making a bunch of short sighted decisions, they've really been performing attempts at damage control.

In earlier eras when the average game player was younger and unaware of how anything worked as business and in a market, these things were invisible. It's why so many Nintendo fans see the N64 and Gamecube as a golden age, blissfully unaware of how troubled things were. And unaware that the Gamecube was a "failure".

but then again nintendo made DS and Wii a success and at least 3DS looks like it may be a success again.

does not look like short term damage control decisions to me.
 
Half the posts in this thread are from people who were fellating Nintendo's every move 18 months ago, and the other half would criticize Nintendo for curing cancer because it doesn't appeal directly to the core gamer. I doubt either side has the answers for Nintendo, or recognizes the company's true strengths and weaknesses.
 
Half the posts in this thread are from people who were fellating Nintendo's every move 18 months ago, and the other half would criticize Nintendo for curing cancer because it doesn't appeal directly to the core gamer. I doubt either side has the answers for Nintendo, or recognizes the company's true strengths and weaknesses.

We all are ABSOLUTELY ignorant of the real internal workings of the company, as well as the business model. This thread is filled with terrible decisions that even the most inept CEO would dissmiss. I really think that Patcher reads way too much Neogaf for its own good, or maybe it is convenient to him, since he can measure the hot topics and use that to get hits. Because no one, not even the screaming haters, would be claiming Iwata's head if it wasn't for this poorly titled thread.
 
-That's true but Nintendo has been fucking up lately in general. They messed up the 3DS launch/post-launch, and their entire Q4/Q1 was/is kinda shit. Poor Wii U launch and no stand out holiday 3DS games in NA/EU. They have the possibility to lose relevancy to the casual market and the hardcore gaming markets depending on what they do in the next few years.

Then lets compare Nintendo to Nintendo. The original DS was laughed at during its first year on the market. Most games released for it during that time were experimental to the point where they had as much content as some 99 cent apps on the app store - even Nintendo titles. And it certainly didn't help that the OG handheld was ugly to boot.

New Super Mario Bros. didn't release until 18 months after the system launched, and Mario Kart took 12 months to see a DS iteration. Luckily Nintendogs which released 6 months after launch was a huge success, and so were the Brain Training "games" in Japan, though they took an extra year(!) to make it to the west.

How about the defining franchise for handheld gaming? Pokemon saw its first DS iteration two whole years after the system launched! And that was only in Japan - the rest of the world waited until spring of 2007 - that's 30 months without a DS Pokemon game. Insane by today's standards!

But the market was indeed dramatically less competitive a mere 5 and a 1/2 years ago. The launch of the iphone and the app store did a lot to change that in a very short time.

Barely any company on the planet has been able to keep up with the changes that happened during the last five years, with the most (only?) successful being Google, and that probably has a lot to do with them already having been at work on similar long term plans as apple's at the time.

So yeah, handheld gaming on dedicated devices is declining worldwide right now, and there's probably not a single company or product in existence that could do a lot to combat that trend. The fact is they are releasing more games at a higher frequency than they did on DS, but it's likely they won't see the same level of unprecedented success they saw that one time. Without going into further detail and dragging this on, it's fair to say the same about Wii U vs. Wii, despite the fact that Nintendo have learned from some of their bigger blunders last gen (specifically regarding online content and being accessible to smaller studios) while simultaneously making some new ones (like not having enough titles ready for the system's first year on the market).

I'm not saying there aren't elements under Nintendo's control. For example one of the reasons Wii was so huge right out of the gate were Miis, and Nintendo didn't have anything of that potential magnitude ready for Wii U's launch. They also didn't have anything with the potential to succeed Nintendogs as the must-have casual IP for 3DS.

The whole NSMB 2 and NSMB U thing, releasing close to each other and both looking unremarkable on the surface is also a mistake that should have been avoided.
In my opinion Nintendo's biggest burden right now is its resistance to change, and this is a trait we've seen a few times before in Japanese multinational corporations, so maybe there is a cultural influence here.

But while being conservative definitely has its shortcomings, it also has benefits. The ever escalating pursuit of more power and more graphics that western companies seem to love so much is at least as unhealthy for the industry as Nintendo's fear of online for example.

You could also argue the same about the massive pressure iOS and Android have put on pricing in the industry. If somebody told you in 2007 that the makers of Far Cry and Crysis were going to become an exclusively free to play studio you'd think the entire market was headed for another crash! And truthfully, maybe it is! Things are changing so fast right now nobody can honestly tell!

Even if you don't agree about the benefits of 'playing it safe' when conditions are unpredictable, lets not pretend there's an army of people in the waiting who could do a better job at running Nintendo than Iwata has during the last eleven years, when every single player has made very expensive mistakes - either damaging to their bottom line or to the future of gaming as a medium.
 
I am sure that irrational Nintendo fans and/or irrational gamers in general would easily believe this. But then, they believe anything. Such as that Miyamoto is an evil old man who rubs his hands together in his office, scheming on how to personally ruin our precious vidya gaems.

It's not especially irrational. It's odd he seems so invested in his own personal brand. One could speculate there's many reasons why he could do it.
 
I am sure that irrational Nintendo fans and/or irrational gamers in general would easily believe this. But then, they believe anything. Such as that Miyamoto is an evil old man who rubs his hands together in his office, scheming on how to personally ruin our precious vidya gaems.



Nintendo seemed to have no problem with consistent business vision when gaming was smaller and Japan was the center of the second wave of video game consoles after the American crash of 83/84. They made consistently good decisions for their own best interests.

Their problems really began when Sony entered the game and was aggressive about the global picture. Nintendo attempted to manage the N64 as they had the SNES in some ways, and that screwed them. Ever since then, it appears that they've been troubled by that loss. Rather than making a bunch of short sighted decisions, they've really been performing attempts at damage control.

In earlier eras when the average game player was younger and unaware of how anything worked as business and in a market, these things were invisible. It's why so many Nintendo fans see the N64 and Gamecube as a golden age, blissfully unaware of how troubled things were. And unaware that the Gamecube was a "failure".

Nintendo fans that see the N64 and the friggin Gamecube as a golden age might as well not be Nintendo fans at all.
 
Nintendo fans that see the N64 and the friggin Gamecube as a golden age might as well not be Nintendo fans at all.

well depends on what we are talking about. sales or quality of games.

nintendo did revolutionize 3D gaming with Mario 64 and Zelda oot and was one of the few companies that did 3D gaming right day one. Some people also seemt o hold gamecube high in comparison to wii as far as quality goes while i kinda dont. however saleswise both N64 and GC were hardly golden ages.
Depends. Volume f quality was lower but it really made you appreciate the great titles when they came. Loved gaming back then. Also keep in mind that most certainly was the best times to be a handheld Nintendo gamer.

DS was the best time to be a nintendo handheld gamer. i would argue 3DS is much better than GBA too.
 
Nintendo fans that see the N64 and the friggin Gamecube as a golden age might as well not be Nintendo fans at all.

Depends. Volume f quality was lower but it really made you appreciate the great titles when they came. Loved gaming back then. Also keep in mind that most certainly was the best times to be a handheld Nintendo gamer.

GameCube was great in the fact that it flopped pretty early so Nintendo wasn't chasing big hits to rejuvenate sales. The software was like a dumping ground for oddball game designs and gameplay you'd never find today.
 
The corporate world is so hilarious and ridiculous. They expect the impossible- perpetual growth and profit. It's against all laws of nature, yet they expect it as if it were the norm.
 
The biggest problem with Iwata is that he isn't really that experienced in big business or big gaming. His previous experience consists mainly of running HAL Labs during the 8bit and 16bit days. Mainly making Kirby games.

Putting him in charge is like putting the dude who bottles Coke bottles in charge of Coca Cola. He doesn't understand gaming outside of Kirby. Just look at the GC controller and the WiiMote.

It is clear with the Pro Controllers, the real decision makers are slowly wrestling control of Nintendo back. Their next console after the U is going to insane. They might as well practice HD development this gen and go for broke next gen.

I see 5 years of loses for Nintendo.
 
The biggest problem with Iwata is that he isn't really that experienced in big business or big gaming. His previous experience consists mainly of running HAL Labs during the 8bit and 16bit days. Mainly making Kirby games.

Putting him in charge is like putting the dude who bottles Coke bottles in charge of Coca Cola. He doesn't understand gaming outside of Kirby. Just look at the GC controller and the WiiMote.

It is clear with the Pro Controllers, the real decision makers are slowly wrestling control of Nintendo back. Their next console after the U is going to insane. They might as well practice HD development this gen and go for broke next gen.

I see 5 years of loses for Nintendo.

he has been ceo for nintendo, a pretty big company, for over 10 years now. also wiimote was a big success. your arguments make you look silly.
Maybe he's trying to ensure Nintendo can't kick him out the company completely and need to keep him as a public figure. Wouldn't shock me.

nintendo didnt give a shit about kicking out gunpei yokoi and he was a pretty public figure and hailed as father of gameboy.
 
The biggest problem with Iwata is that he isn't really that experienced in big business or big gaming. His previous experience consists mainly of running HAL Labs during the 8bit and 16bit days. Mainly making Kirby games.

Putting him in charge is like putting the dude who bottles Coke bottles in charge of Coca Cola. He doesn't understand gaming outside of Kirby. Just look at the GC controller and the WiiMote.

It is clear with the Pro Controllers, the real decision makers are slowly wrestling control of Nintendo back. Their next console after the U is going to insane. They might as well practice HD development this gen and go for broke next gen.

I see 5 years of loses for Nintendo.

Like, I understand that Iwata may no longer be the right man for the job but as to imply that Nintendos best selling homeconsole was a mistake on his part is laughable.
 
Wii U was at least 1 if not 2 years too late, costs $100 too much for a nintendo console
3DS never should have had 3D, also poorly named and poorly priced
Skyward Sword not saved for Wii U

Some colossal fuck ups there. Those aren't design decisions, those are top level decisions.



Should have been out in 2010, 2011 at the latest. Just my opinion but they should have stuck with motion controls or gone all the way back to traditional controls.

woah, WOW. well somebody get this guy a job application we got ourselves the next CEO of NINTENDO!!!!
 
hey i agree that Iwata is a poor ceo at the moment as well. however for very different reasons. iwata failed to expand nintendos development force when he currently has the money and potential take over objects to do so.
This is actually an interesting point, since I too believe there are some major mistakes Iwata should have avoided, but they aren't the ones most people in this thread believe.

On the one hand I agree with your assessment that he should have pushed for more expansion, because at the end of the day the only support Nintendo should count on is first party support, and Iwata surely knows this.

The thing that makes me doubt this criticism somewhat is that Nintendo have actually been expanding, and very aggressively so, according to all we know about their operations in Tokyo and Kyoto in recent years.

I guess that the logical conclusion would then be that Nintendo haven't done enough to expand as a global entity. Perhaps this goes back to what I mentioned in previous posts about Japanese corporations tending to be overly centralized and too resistant to change and outside feedback from the west. If so, then I could say it's not strictly a Nintendo problem, but maybe an "Eastern Business Philosophy" problem - Not that that's any kind of consolation really, it just helps paint a clearer picture of what may be happening.

All I know is that under his watch, Nintendo has become a shadow of its former self. Bouncing from one crisis to another and forever making the same mistakes.

It's like the don't know how to balance things. They're either too core or too casual. The only SNES Nintendo was both.
So basically you're saying you only have one data point as the basis for your opinion of how Nintendo should or shouldn't operate, and that data point is nearly twenty years old...

Nothing personal, but it's very difficult to come to a reliable conclusion about a company with such a narrow sample of itself and its environment.

Nintendo seemed to have no problem with consistent business vision when gaming was smaller and Japan was the center of the second wave of video game consoles after the American crash of 83/84. They made consistently good decisions for their own best interests.

Their problems really began when Sony entered the game and was aggressive about the global picture. Nintendo attempted to manage the N64 as they had the SNES in some ways, and that screwed them. Ever since then, it appears that they've been troubled by that loss. Rather than making a bunch of short sighted decisions, they've really been performing attempts at damage control.

In earlier eras when the average game player was younger and unaware of how anything worked as business and in a market, these things were invisible. It's why so many Nintendo fans see the N64 and Gamecube as a golden age, blissfully unaware of how troubled things were. And unaware that the Gamecube was a "failure".

I actually think you've hit the nail on the head. Kudos!

Part of Nintendo's core identity, whether they publicly admit it or not, is remaining small and keeping it simple. It's a defining characteristic that worked for them as long as they were a niche industry, and to some extent I believe they'd be happy to stay that way.
Small means you have more control, and you can have a deeper understanding of your successes and failures. It also means you can take more risks and define your own identity.

That would also explain why they seem so resistant to embrace the global success they have seen, or they would have allowed the American and European subsidiaries more freedom. And it also explains why they may be better at long-term survival than some of the bigger players.
That doesn't mean they can't expand in a manner that doesn't jeopardize the core of the company, but perhaps it does mean such expansion would necessarily have to be done through more creative and non-traditional manners, making it slower and not as easy to plan.

Thought provoking stuff!

The biggest problem with Iwata is that he isn't really that experienced in big business or big gaming. His previous experience consists mainly of running HAL Labs during the 8bit and 16bit days. Mainly making Kirby games.

Putting him in charge is like putting the dude who bottles Coke bottles in charge of Coca Cola. He doesn't understand gaming outside of Kirby. Just look at the GC controller and the WiiMote.

It is clear with the Pro Controllers, the real decision makers are slowly wrestling control of Nintendo back. Their next console after the U is going to insane. They might as well practice HD development this gen and go for broke next gen.

I see 5 years of loses for Nintendo.
Pleeeease let this be a joke post!
 
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