Okay, TeamCG. Come own up to your foolishness. #trolljima

Is Joakim Mogren CG?

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Tookay said:
You're telling me they made a different model and mocapped it for a 1-minute Spike TV interview that will get viewed by a couple hundred thousand people max?

Does this sound remotely plausible at all to you?
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How many people do you expect to be at gdc?

Journalist who are going to the speech have seen the vid



Edit: Cg joakim was based off real life person playing joakim
 
Tookay said:
You mean, my theory - that the interview was with a person who is flesh and blood and has given plenty of reason to doubt his identity off clues placed by Kojima but given no indication to doubt his mortality by clues placed by Kojima - is pretty much the same as your theory - that a lifelike CG character was created by this GAMEPLAY ENGINE for a 1-minute interview on a niche cable company program that airs after midnight, requiring a mo-capping session and syncing (regardless of whether this model already existed) from a notoriously cheap-ass gaming company who has suddenly developed the ability to render uncanny CG rivaling Hollywood blockbusters but whose deficiencies are only perceptible to a couple of 4Chan/GAF internet sleuths who could tell the difference only because this character's (likely) poor acting is "unnatural," even though that would probably defeat the purpose of said stunt to display "photorealism"?

These are comparable?
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Is yes a sufficient enough answer?
 
duckroll said:
I think Geoff really met a "Joakim Mogren" and "interviewed" him. But at the GDC panel, Kojima could show a new video message from "Mogren", and that could be CG. It would make a good talking point at the panel itself, and the reason for the GTTV troll would just be so there's a "real" version to compare it with for the discussion.
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If Kojima didn't plan this I pray they're beavering away on something for GDC to capitalize on this hot mess.
 
darkside31337 said:
Or there was only one actual person in the room.



If we acknowledge that Joakim was never actually in the room with Geoff then why shoot the interview that way? They could have done the same exact interview right over skype and it would have completely natural. What possible reason would there be to fake the thing as an actual interview in a room with the two participants sitting next to each other?

The most logical explanation for doing it the way they did - pretending that two people were sitting next to each other in the same room when they weren't is simply because one of those two people are CG and doesn't actually exist. The "holy shit" factor wouldn't be there if it was presented as a Skype interview, the two of them have to be presented as sitting next to each other.
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They (Kojima/Konami) filmed it this way because they have more control over the message this way. They probably sent Geoff the script, and the pre-taped responses so GTTV could edit it together themselves. Or it could be the other way around, and Geoff was asked to send in some taped questions, which Konami could then edit into their interview. The interview was meant to show those pictures and to surprise viewers that Fox Engine was being used to make the game.

People expect too much out of a simple thing.
 
Gui_PT said:
It's a bad answer.

He has a really good point.
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Fine, I'm using someone else's quote to assist though.

Tookay said:
You mean, my theory - that the interview was with a person who is flesh and blood and has given plenty of reason to doubt his identity off clues placed by Kojima but given no indication to doubt his mortality by clues placed by Kojima - is pretty much the same as your theory - that a lifelike CG character was created by this GAMEPLAY ENGINE for a 1-minute interview on a niche cable company program that airs after midnight, requiring a mo-capping session and syncing (regardless of whether this model already existed) from a notoriously cheap-ass gaming company who has suddenly developed the ability to render uncanny CG rivaling Hollywood blockbusters but whose deficiencies are only perceptible to a couple of 4Chan/GAF internet sleuths who could tell the difference only because this character's (likely) poor acting is "unnatural," even though that would probably defeat the purpose of said stunt to display "photorealism"?

These are comparable?
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FlashbladeGAF said:
How many people do you expect to be at gdc?

Journalist who are going to the speech have seen the vid



Edit: Cg joakim was based off real life person playing joakim
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The reason I quote flash is because you keep feeling the need to point out that it was on a "niche" show in the middle of the night etc. etc. GDC is not meant for the fans or the common joe blow walking down the street. It is meant for game developers, a very "niche" audience. GTTV is by no means super important to the industry but it is obviously on the industry's radar in some fashion. Kojima planted a seed in a place where it could be seen by the audience he wanted to see it while not disrupting most normal people's time. I know it sounded like I was joking here but....

Sorian said:
But Duck! What if it's reversed? What if there is a real Joakim at the panel and the one on GTTV was CG and that is the comparison?
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This is actually very viable. He wants to show case the strength of his game engine and its Hideo Kojima, if he thinks he is sitting on something awesome, he will find a way to make it as showy as possible. He has the floor at a conference where he can literally gloat to all of the other big names in the industry while still not coming off as too pretentious because he is doing it on a stage that isn't really meant for the general public (as opposed to E3 where everyone knows that the public is watching).
 
FlashbladeGAF said:
Just reminding those who thing team cg is crazy for thinking kojima created a cg character out of thin air.

Team cg knows joakim is based off a living person
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Hell no, I believe that kojima is a magical space god who can make anything out of thin air #nanomachines
I'm kidding
 
I didn't think so at first, but it's at least part CG.

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The angle of light should leave a hard shadow from the collar of the shirt.
 
Sorian said:
This is actually very viable. He wants to show case the strength of his game engine and its Hideo Kojima, if he thinks he is sitting on something awesome, he will find a way to make it as showy as possible. He has the floor at a conference where he can literally gloat to all of the other big names in the industry while still not coming off as too pretentious because he is doing it on a stage that isn't really meant for the general public (as opposed to E3 where everyone knows that the public is watching).
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You are now quoting and replying to your own posts. It might be time for a Joakim break, you're losing it man!
 
Sorian said:
Fine, I'm using someone else's quote to assist though.





The reason I quote flash is because you keep feeling the need to point out that it was on a "niche" show in the middle of the night etc. etc. GDC is not meant for the fans or the common joe blow walking down the street. It is meant for game developers, a very "niche" audience. GTTV is by no means super important to the industry but it is obviously on the industry's radar in some fashion. Kojima planted a seed in a place where it could be seen by the audience he wanted to see it while not disrupting most normal people's time. I know it sounded like I was joking here but....



This is actually very viable. He wants to show case the strength of his game engine and its Hideo Kojima, if he thinks he is sitting on something awesome, he will find a way to make it as showy as possible. He has the floor at a conference where he can literally gloat to all of the other big names in the industry while still not coming off as too pretentious because he is doing it on a stage that isn't really meant for the general public (as opposed to E3 where everyone knows that the public is watching).
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There is so many unprobabilities with your theory it blows my mind.
 
Sorian said:
Your analogy is kind of silly. Most of us are having fun in here at this point and I don't think either #team will really be that heartbroken if they are wrong.

Bans for all the team members of the losing side!
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I know it's silly, it's precisely silly that what I'm trying to point out with this crazy analogy. People are acting exactly the same way.


Meatvillain said:
Just when you think this thread can't get any more insane, this post happens!
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Hahaha I'm just trying to express the insane vibe I'm getting from the thread I mean it went from fun Kojima troll into full blown silly beliefs in like 1 day or less. The insane is the thread I just tried putting it into words and sounded insane by default.
 
how people still can't believe that is CG? It's so obvious, the morse code trailer "confirmed" it.

i can already see my tag if it isn't CG :(
 
Oh man, this thread is the best thing ever. Never seen a thread with people so convinced they are right on both sides of the discussion. I care more about knowing if he's CG or not now than the actual game at this point.

Also, IF it's CG and IF this whole debate about how real it is was intended: genius marketing.
 
I was actually referring to this theory.

Sorian said:
But Duck! What if it's reversed? What if there is a real Joakim at the panel and the one on GTTV was CG and that is the comparison?
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First of all, if there was actually CG, after 80 pages of analysis, there would be conclusive proof by now. No CG is that good, especially not if its realtime in a game engine. And if its not, whats the point ? Even the orcs faces in the hobbit are heavily criticised for fake looking CG. If Weta cant do it on a huge budget and not real time, why would Kojima ?

Second I dont know how many watches Geofs show, but I cant imagine its that many.

Third if you want to blow peoples mind on stage at GDC, why not just demonstrate it on stage ? Why do this litle obscure interview very few in the audience are lightely to have seen in advance ?

Fourth, if they reveal at GDC it was CG all along, most people who are not us nerds on GAF will probably have forgot about the clip. There was nothing that mindblowing about it (unless its CG).
 
Stillmatic said:
I didn't think so at first, but it's at least part CG.

joakimzgjxf.gif


The angle of light should leave a hard shadow from the collar of the shirt.
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I'm getting a strong "but the moon rocks cast shadows in different directions, therefore this has to be fake" vibe.

@_@
 
Hermii said:
I was actually referring to this theory.



First of all, if there was actually CG, after 80 pages of analysis, there would be conclusive proof by now. No CG is that good, especially not if its realtime in a game engine. And if its not, whats the point ? Even the orcs faces in the hobbit are heavily criticised for fake looking CG. If Weta cant do it on a huge budget and not real time, why would Kojima ?

Second I dont know how many watches Geofs show, but I cant imagine its that many.

Third if you want to blow peoples mind on stage at GDC, why not just demonstrate it on stage ? Why do this litle obscure interview very few in the audience are lightely to have seen in advance ?

Fourth, if they reveal at GDC it was CG all along, most people who are not us nerds on GAF will probably have forgot about the clip. There was nothing that mindblowing about it (unless its CG).
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Damn, I thought I was going to have to think here.

1) The issue here is unprecedented, you can't just assume......."us nerds on GAF" are going to figure out something that doesn't have a precedent. I also like that yoru defense is that the orcs in the hobbit look fake. Damn them for not looking like the orc family that lives next door!

2) Like I said, GTTV is on the radar of game companies. Had this gone without any publicity then maybe you'd be right but just by you bumping this thread, you are helping to spread this thing. People at GDC will have seen it.

3) The best publicity is when people talk. This is getting people to talk longer than they would have. This is going to put more eyes on Kojima at GDC. People who wanted to be at GDC are already going to be there. This is pulling in more people because people are learning they can watch Kojima's presentation through live stream, I'm probably going to now even though I never would have known originally.

4)Maybe you would but this isn't your career so you can't really speak for everyone. Game developers will remember when the time comes because this could be on-par with new consoles if true.
 
Again I'm fairly certain the interview was done some time ago, and then the footage was sent to GT, with CG Joakim. So they filmed a real person, then remade it in CG.

Again I think only the eyes part might be CG.

edit: On another note, only the concept art has Moby Dick studio logo, the screenshots have the Fox logo. Again emphasizing that Moby Dick is "fake", as in, not the game.
 
Guiberu said:
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Toparaman said:
Okay, I'm getting way too caught up in this. I gots to do some work.
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Now you understand the frustration some of us are feeling at these people. They're just so...obtuse that it's bordering on scary.

Tookay said:
You mean, my theory - that the interview was with a person who is flesh and blood and has given plenty of reason to doubt his identity off clues placed by Kojima but given no indication to doubt his mortality by clues placed by Kojima - is pretty much the same as your theory - that a lifelike CG character was created by this GAMEPLAY ENGINE for a 1-minute interview on a niche cable company program that airs after midnight, requiring a mo-capping session and syncing (regardless of whether this model already existed) from a notoriously cheap-ass gaming company who has suddenly developed the ability to render uncanny CG rivaling Hollywood blockbusters but whose deficiencies are only perceptible to a couple of 4Chan/GAF internet sleuths who could tell the difference only because this character's (likely) poor acting is "unnatural," even though that would probably defeat the purpose of said stunt to display "photorealism"?

These are comparable?
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I would just drop it, buddy. Logic has left this thread a long time ago. All that's left are fumes.
 
Ether_Snake said:
Again I'm fairly certain the interview was done some time ago, and then the footage was sent to GT, with CG Joakim. So they filmed a real person, then remade it in CG.

Again I think only the eyes part might be CG.

edit: On another note, only the concept art has Moby Dick studio logo, the screenshots have the Fox logo. Again emphasizing that Moby Dick is "fake", as in, not the game.
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Are you serious? they spend thousands of dollars just for CG eyes? Give me a break.

100% Real
 
Well the actor is great, give him a movie role! Honestly people, there is a difference between wanting it to be real and it being real.
 
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