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Sir Patrick Stewart calls on 1 million men to end to violence against women
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why is there no white history month
Dark Octave
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dat gender equality
Never knew some of those details about his childhood. Makes me respect more knowing he stuck up for a woman who could not defend himself at great risk.
We also need to get to the root causes of violence. Men aren't "naturally" violent - there's usually trauma or something at the root of their own externalization. If we could remove the stigma of mental illness and fight to remove male stereotypes - that is, if men could stop trying their hardest to avoid emotional issues and deal with the pain in a mature fashion - then a vast majority of these offenses would stop.
This more than a woman's issue, or even a human rights issue. It's also a mental health issue.
This more than a woman's issue, or even a human rights issue. It's also a mental health issue.
Devolution
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Love you Number 1.
KingofGourds
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I've always admired Stewart for his honesty in talking about his own troubled childhood and just why these kinds of causes mean so much to him.
You have my phaser.
You have my phaser.
This statement is just as inane as declaring that doctors should only be allowed to "cure disease". There's a specific problem here that requires specific attention, just like how some doctors primarily work on eyes or liver disease.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Now I feel like watching Star Trek.
entremet
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Seriously?
Men are vastly the main aggressors in violence against women. Moreover, patriarchy and culture can also breed harmful attitudes toward women. Wive beating for example is considered a right in some Middle Eastern countries that should be questioned. Same with sexual assault.
Also don't forget that men are usually, but not always, stronger and bigger on average than women.
JordanN
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So? Are we to never address the violence against the other gender?
You can focus on one gender but only under the ultimate good that you also want the other gender to not suffer.
I'm sorry, we'd love to save your kidneys, but your nails need buffing just as badly.
Stuff can be handled separately. It's specious to insist that they be lumped together.
This is why SmokyDave is right, actually.
Our goal should be to end violence - and I know that's quixotic, but the closer we can get, the better. I think it is forgotten nowadays that it was the modern feminist movement that exposed the ongoing relating of domestic violence, and as the movement progressed it also had to contend with domestic violence in the relationships of same sex couples and of children. This is sort of violence is based upon the belief that it is acceptable for a stronger person to control others through coercion. I believe that this violence is interconnected - that the abuse that children suffer, often at the hands of women as well as men, is connected with the belief that women suffer at the hands of men (and even the comparatively rare abuse that men suffer at the hands of women).
So I think that in order to address the issues of violence we need to address the ways it is accepted and condoned as legitimate - and beating up the abusers is a continuation of violence and is a part of the problem. But I think it is important to recognize that most of the violence towards men is from other men, and I think that in attacking violence in one area you are moving things in the right direction for others, even if it is indirectly.
JordanN
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I guess this becomes a a question of equality. If you believe in equal rights, you would understand men can be victims of violence. But if you don't, I can see why you would want to disregard a gender.
Your kidney and nail examples, I'm not sure it's comparable to two genders of the human race.
lazorexplosion
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I call on all people to end violence against people. Pay attention to me!
Then again if Stewart rounds up a million guys and they all go break Chris Brown's legs I will respect the fuck out of him.
Then again if Stewart rounds up a million guys and they all go break Chris Brown's legs I will respect the fuck out of him.
If a disproportionate amount of women are victims of domestic violence then focusing equal attention on violence against men isn't being fair. It's favoring men.
If 100,000 women are seriously injured in domestic disputes a year and only 100 men are similarly affected, then dividing resources equally isn't being fair and it isn't equality.
JordanN
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No way. Men as a gender are equal to females. There is no statistic that can change that.
If I say "end violence against humans" I want all forms of violence that can be inflicted against a population of people to end.
Also, I never said anything about resources. I'm talking about violence in general.
are men suffering from violence every 9 seconds in the US?
There is a reason this is a pressing issue, Stewart isn't saying that violence against men should be ignored and this is pretty obvious, I don't know if you people sometimes are just playing dumb.
JordanN
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Does it matter? Violence is violence.
If you open with a line saying "end violence against women" and make no mention of men here forth you are excluding a gender whether you like it or not.
OK, that's great and all, but if you're not talking about doing anything to end violence (which is talking about resources) then, frankly, nothing you say matters.
Yes. If we're just talking about what we'd ideally want, then I can easily agree that I would like to end all violence.
If we're talking about doing something? Where to donate money or focus attention? Then statistics matter.
Cameron122
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one million men
but how many lights?
but how many lights?
Devolution
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Oh the MRAs are here.
Cameron122
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What's an MRA? Male something something? I'm not being smart assy I really don't know
Devolution
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What's an MRA? Male something something? I'm not being smart assy I really don't know
Men's Rights Activists, they always show up in these kinds of threads to remind us men suffer too as if we're saying they don't but never make any of their own threads concerning issues. Funny how they choose to show how much they care.
Do you ever get tired of preaching?
Devolution
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Are you mad that the truth stings or something?
JordanN
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By definition, I'm actually a feminist.
But since I refuse to kick one gender into the ground, I must be one of those rare true to the philosophy feminists that deviate from all the rest.
les papillons sexuels
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you're suggesting people derail this thread to create a seperate flaimbait thread that needlessly shames PS for not advocating equal rights so you can blame "MRA's". You disgust me.
Male versus male violence is already addresses as part of anti-war campaigns and the like.
Interestingly, most violence against women is pepretated by men. Because we have the physical strength and heigh advantage and a cultural / patriarchal culture where even into the 20th century, it was seen as acceptable / "just part of being married" to beat your wife. Girls and women still get beaten just for leaving their boyfriends.
And even if they don't outright say use physical force, male leaders in communities are still telling men that women are to be servants of their husband or significant other and to be obedient to them. If you teach a boy that women are to obey them and then add on teaching them to use violence, guess what they're gonna do. Hit women.
This happens every time people try to help women. People rush in saying "but what about men?". Women are EXTREMELY on the shit end of this particular stick. This campaign isn't saying men don't suffer domestic violence. Stop thinking just because a program exists for one cause that someone else's situation is ignored.
Men are not being kicked to the ground with this.
What truth? You're the one that seems a bit bitter.
If you open with a line saying "end breast cancer" and make no mention of testicular cancer, you are excluding a form of cancer whether you like it or not.
way more
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way more
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Self hating bigots. What about all those poor elected officials who lost their jobs? If a single dog catcher was fired because of the end of apartheid then was it really about justice at all?
You're asking people to focus a disproportionate amount of attention on male victims of domestic violence. Again, that's not equality.
It's fine to say it's an issue you care about and it's fine to say that it deserves some attention, but to suggest that it's equal to the issue of violence against women is ridiculous and insulting. If that's what you're suggesting, than what you are really saying is that men are worth more than women, because a thousand women being victimized is of equal importance as a hundred male victims.
JordanN
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"End violence against humans. Oh, but females have a higher rate of it than men."
How bad is that?
Edit: The later doesn't even have to be mentioned if the situation does not call for it which is, the topic of violence.
CosmicGroinPull
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It isn't a problem to say that violence against men is as much of a problem as violence against women. It might be true, particularly when you include all forms of violence.
The idiocy comes in when someone says it is wrong to focus on violence against women, particularly of the domestic variety. That isn't sexist. Domestic violence against women is a particular problem with particular causes and particular possible solutions that are different than ending random violence, war based violence, gang based violence, etc.
It is the same people who wonder why there is no White Entertainment Television whaah whoa is us.
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