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Top-level COD competitions look like what we expect
- Thread starter Nibel
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I would not want to be around these people. Yelling at the other team shouldn't be allowed, but I couldn't hear racist, sexist, or homophobic shit. At some point you have to decide what audience you are playing for. I like to think there can be a place for people to exclaim when they die as long as they aren't verbally abusing someone else. Depends on the event though.
Yes it should.
Sponsors will not accept stuff like that. And to make sure esport grows, this should not be expected, just because other sports does it. Respect and manner takes you far longer, both in sponsorship and community.
Coffee Dog
Banned
You are severely overestimating COD's level design.
hbkajshdvfbkjhvgkahsgdfka
Member
Recoil is a thing that guns do in real life and in games it provides another layer of mastery. In Counter-Strike for example, different weapons have different recoil patterns that you have to control in order for your shots to hit whatever you're aiming at. For example:
Recoil control was a combination of your current position, movement speed (0 = stationary, 1 = crouch, 2 = walking, 3 = running) and controlling the mouse (or analog stick) to make sure your shots hit the target or a radius your target was in. In Call of Duty however, a lot of guns either shoot in a small circle or shoot straight up. Because of these recoil patterns, you're almost guaranteed a kill if the aim-assist sticks. The distance between each bullet's trajectory is also a lot closer. Anyways, what I wanted to say was that recoil control is just another thing that separates a good player from a bad player and its basically a non-issue in console Call of Duty while aim-assist is enabled.
Map awareness and positioning seems to only be major factors in objective based gamemodes. It exists in TDM but isn't as vital. Also, my argument is not "lol consoles" but more "lol console Call of Duty". Despite Treyarch's support for eSports and the addition of eSports features, Halo at it's core is a better competitive shooter.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
HAHA touche
I got BLOPs 2 on my PC. Played with a controller. Played it round my mates on his xbox. Its a pretty LOL game on both platforms.
The idea of CoD competative play I find kinda funny. Just think its silly to single out the console version of it seeing as everyone is on an even ground so its just as possible on both platforms.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Ha ha, well, this sure does meet every possible stereotype people have about COD players and "dudebros" in general.
But the one guy's justification of his ridiculous behavior is pretty much truthful, I think: it's their attempt at psychological warfare. It's also a reason why so many people rant like idiots on voice chat in any competitive game online, and why unprofessional players type shit in public chat in MOBAs. They think (rightly or not) that they're intimidating everyone else by puffing themselves up. So it gives them "the edge".
But the one guy's justification of his ridiculous behavior is pretty much truthful, I think: it's their attempt at psychological warfare. It's also a reason why so many people rant like idiots on voice chat in any competitive game online, and why unprofessional players type shit in public chat in MOBAs. They think (rightly or not) that they're intimidating everyone else by puffing themselves up. So it gives them "the edge".
Holy Order Sol
Member
That's the problem when it comes to fighting games. Not everyone wants that shit, but a few will try to push it to further their own interests and make it look like they have the weight of a whole so-called "community" behind them.
It doesn't help that streamed events have so quickly been taken for granted rather than considered a privilege either.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
They would make nice marvel minions 
You proudly tell people what hobbies you partake in?
Gully State
Member
Someone needs to put a music track to this...it's not even trash talking just a bunch of incoherent yelling punctuated with profanity...
ChimpanzeeThat
Member
I watched the MLG Dallas championship and it was nothing like this.
Really.. whether it's fighting games, shooters, strategy, MOBA or whatever the fuck else.. a lot of these competitions are a shitstain of the industry. Absolute worst people that are into the hobby. It's really embarrassing.
Trogdor1123
Member
oh man "professional gaming esports" is such a joke. i've actually seen people watch other people play games like league of legends with a little window on the corner showing the player with a headset like they were watching ESPN replays :lol
i can still make fun of them
i can still make fun of them
BattleMonkey
Member
Whether they want to admit it or not, they represent a part of the e-sport community. I think it actually is a big deal. If e-sports wants respect, then they have to clean up this kind of stuff. Trash talking is OK, doing this is not. All the major sports leagues deal with it in their own way, maybe e-sports should too.
I got into an argument with some people about this.
In the case of an absolute slaughter outside of a structured competitive environment (a "pugstomp" or just a clan/ladder/guild match where one side is really outgunned), I usually don't say "gg", because it can come across as patronizing and insincere. I definitely use it for the close matches and for matches in more "official" play, or if I lose, but when I win in a more relaxed/informal context, I use a little more discretion and sometimes flesh it out with a sporting comment instead of just dropping the abbreviation. ymmv.
However, at its core, yes, it is the handshake equivalent.
Yeah, it's a bit more nuanced. My basic line of thought goes:
Loser says gg then winner = handshake
Winner stomps and says gg before the loser = you're a jerk
SneakyStephan
Banned
Recoil in cs meant that you had to aim before you shoot (until css and cs go came along with reduced recoil, hence why much of the cs community doesn't like those games).
You had to make your shots count, and the self control aspect of the game (you needed to wait for the spread to reset before firing again, but not too long or you die yourself) was an entire meta game.
It's immensely rewarding and adds another layer onto the skill cap and learning curve.
It's something cod players will never know and will miss out on, their loss.
It doesn't really matter how you add layers to gameplay and the learning curve, it can be recoil and sound (cs) , it can be movespeed modifiers through strafejumping (quake), it can be non-hitscan weapons (quake and ut and especially tribes), it can be movespeed modifier through skiing (tribes).
COD (nor any of the modern third person shooters) doesn't have those extra layers, it is a shallow game with a very limited learning curve and very low skillcap.
That is why it is looked down upon by competitive players and why many people don't take esports seriously.
This is all super off topic btw
Kids act like little cunts in cod because the game is designed around gambling mechanics, denying , randomness and chasing carrots. It has a very high frustration factor but the gambling mechanics/carrots keep people chasing where they would normally stop.
This escalates into the kind of behavior you see in these videos and that you hear over xbox live.
I feel sorry for anyone who plays something that has so little to offer yet can frustrate them so much all to chase base instincts.
Ramocalypse
Member
i'm dying here
do all "professional gamers" have a faux-arrogance like they're an actual athlete?
Ramocalypse
Member
When there is physicality involved, and the size of your ego is determined by the size of your paycheck, its pretty easy to let things get a little wild or aggressive. Playing someone in a video game is not the same as throwing them to the ground or laying a vicious hit on them.
Really? What kind of players/managers accept this behavior? I've never seen such trash-talk in my 15 years of football (soccer) and now, 5 years of following esports.
Ace Harding
Member
The first (apparently?) non-British chap was the most entertaining. When English is (perhaps?)not their first language its kind of cute.
"Look at score bitches!"
But yeah if they ever want this to be taken seriously they are going to need to police this a little better (or at all).
Pretty sure if you are playing at EVO or even a smaller regional and you start screaming obscenities at people like that it will not be tolerated. Am I wrong about that? I've never seen it.
Because we generally aren't listening to what is said on a football field. If you are constantly screaming obscenities that are loud enough for people to hear (and be picked up on on broadcast) you might be penalized and possibly fined. But generally the public can't hear this stuff so its not a big deal. In a gaming match like that you're all in a room and you can hear everything.
"Look at score bitches!"
But yeah if they ever want this to be taken seriously they are going to need to police this a little better (or at all).
Pretty sure if you are playing at EVO or even a smaller regional and you start screaming obscenities at people like that it will not be tolerated. Am I wrong about that? I've never seen it.
Because we generally aren't listening to what is said on a football field. If you are constantly screaming obscenities that are loud enough for people to hear (and be picked up on on broadcast) you might be penalized and possibly fined. But generally the public can't hear this stuff so its not a big deal. In a gaming match like that you're all in a room and you can hear everything.
Gully State
Member
Unsportmanlike conduct is penalized in organized sports. And that's when they actually use coherent words, not yell profanities+scream like a neanderthal directed at opposing players. The other part of it is that conduct like this isn't celebrated in traditional sports like it seems to be here by those involved in the community.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
I didn't get reprimanded playing Rugby for my school teams.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
I never say gg when I lose, I say bg. Because losing is always a bad thing.
My steam profile details this:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/zombiesupastar
*grins*
My steam profile details this:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/zombiesupastar
*grins*
RumblingRosco
Member
Bunch of nerds. Need to calm their shit.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Other competitive scenes seem to play fine without getting into yelling matches after every win.
The video narrator's interview with one of the other players reveals that this is apparently for mindgaming and a lot of money is on the line so it makes them play better apparently.
Is that a valid excuse for openly shit talking the other team who is only a few meters away from you? I mean watching CS, LoL, Dota2, and fighting game matches you don't really see that kind of thing.
I can only imagine doing that kind of thing in a competitive match featuring any of the game's I listed would get you kicked out real fast.
One of the tourney guy's said that it's still a young scene which seems kind of strange to me since COD has been out for years. I guess you could compare it to fighting game tournaments but to me it always seems like they are saying things to hype up the matches as opposed to just shitting on the opposition.
The video narrator's interview with one of the other players reveals that this is apparently for mindgaming and a lot of money is on the line so it makes them play better apparently.
Is that a valid excuse for openly shit talking the other team who is only a few meters away from you? I mean watching CS, LoL, Dota2, and fighting game matches you don't really see that kind of thing.
I can only imagine doing that kind of thing in a competitive match featuring any of the game's I listed would get you kicked out real fast.
One of the tourney guy's said that it's still a young scene which seems kind of strange to me since COD has been out for years. I guess you could compare it to fighting game tournaments but to me it always seems like they are saying things to hype up the matches as opposed to just shitting on the opposition.
I remember the Halo fans playing next to the Counter-Strike fans back in the day, and the Halo fans were just fine.
This seems to be a Call of Duty thing, not a console thing. Call of Duty attracts the lowest common denominator of gaming scum.
Neuromancer
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baphomet
Member
Fuck this the pc elitism shit. I've seen pc competitions that make this cod tournament look tame in comparison. I'd rather listen to some kid cussing on the mic than the holier than thou kid who says he's a pro gamer.
Halo would have been just as bad without MLG enforcing technicals, it even was at some points. I went to a few MLGs, as well as many locals, and pro players lost stipends ($400 to make it to the event) due to bad conduct, I remember Maniac was on a featured station @Columbus 2010 and was talking too much trash and had to leave his controller on the floor for the first minute of the game (Onslaught CTF) as penalty and the whole crowd was then cursing him out. This is just a highlight reel and this type of behavior will happen unless there are rules with consequences enforcing people not to do it.
diffusionx
Gold Member
This happens in every sport, it's called trash talking for a reason.
Gentleman Jack
Member
CORN says hi. Popular games bring all types to the competitive scene. Shit talk brings drama and hype and people love it. It's impolite but it's also extremely hard to remove from the scene at this point. The behavior in the COD video would be perfectly at home with any east coast regional FGC tourney.