Passive Assassin
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Too soon.
Fighting Games Weekly | March 18-24 | FGC Kickstart 101: Cut a deal with the bronies
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Too soon.
You should see the Marvel thread about now. We still pretending like there's a patch coming and have submitted our 10 character changelist.
Ragingnight
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to be fair a large majority of those 100k viewers probably don't even play the game at a level where balance would affect anything.
toddhunter
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If you play the game at any level, balance matters. Maybe in different ways, but it is still the same game and the same characters.
Ragingnight
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at lower levels it matters a lot less. I seen my friends couldn't even tell the difference between umvc3 sentinel and prepatch sentinel, or the difference between 2013 rolento and vanilla rolento.
I mean even in other genre, I remember the days around LoL beta and early release people at lower elo were saying Tryndamere and Yi were broken despite them sucking at competitive play.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
If they want to watch a more balanced game, it affects them.
there are other factors like input ease that help those folks out.
Also some chars can be OP at mid level but not high level.
toddhunter
Member
My mum probably wouldn't notice Makoto's health nerf either, but I still did. Some changes do make a big difference at different levels and not often in the ways you expect.
I've seen little to suggest that most "high level" players have a clue about how to balance a game properly either. Nor do they actually start out as high level players when they commence playing the game as some people all too often forget.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
The game could be perfectly balanced and probably 90% of players you see on stream would gravitate toward the same handful of "cool" characters anyway.
toddhunter
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You can't help people picking only Ryu. You can help people only picking Ryu because they want to win.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
There's also the psychological aspect that essentially says "Well, I'm not anywhere near good enough now. But maybe I COULD be. So I'd like to know this product isn't faulty once I (hypothetically) make it to a certain point."
There are a lot of features on your basic automobile that the average driver will never engage, but they pay attention to those features, and pay MONEY for them, because there's the possibility they will use them sometime in the future.
Whether or not people will ever end up leveling up to a point where the arcane nature of some of these adjustments can be felt, they still want to know that the overall quality extends out to those areas. Like people who buy speakers want to know that the frequency response reaches into areas humans can't reliably hear, or that the pixel density on their display actually ceases to be discernable by the human eye.
It's a basic matter of feeling reassured that the thing you've spent money on is finely crafted. Updates to Street Fighter is like that car you paid for going into the shop. You want to know what's being tinkered with, and how, and whether this souping up is going to translate into an improved automobile.
There are a lot of features on your basic automobile that the average driver will never engage, but they pay attention to those features, and pay MONEY for them, because there's the possibility they will use them sometime in the future.
Whether or not people will ever end up leveling up to a point where the arcane nature of some of these adjustments can be felt, they still want to know that the overall quality extends out to those areas. Like people who buy speakers want to know that the frequency response reaches into areas humans can't reliably hear, or that the pixel density on their display actually ceases to be discernable by the human eye.
It's a basic matter of feeling reassured that the thing you've spent money on is finely crafted. Updates to Street Fighter is like that car you paid for going into the shop. You want to know what's being tinkered with, and how, and whether this souping up is going to translate into an improved automobile.
I'm with 645 here. Everybody is all up in arms over AE changes. As a casual player I don't really care. I'd rather have changes with music, aesthetics, added moves, more characters, etc. I personally think the game is balanced enough between each characters having their own good and bad matchups and strengths and weaknesses. Only the people playing competitively should care about changes to their characters, etc.
scytheavatar
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Except AE2012 gave us the worst SF4 appearance ever at EVO. And the numbers drawn were much less than 100K, it was a decline from 2011 IIRC. You are naive if you think a rebalance is going to make the stream monsters love SF4 again.
Yea it's the same reason people buy sports car. I mean most of them don't buy them to race with but they appreciate what's under the hood. They can also feel the difference. Most will never drive at near max speed to see what the car is capable of but they know the capability is there of they need to push it.
Also it's not like pros don't want patches, quite a few would like patch changes. Just a couple days ago Bum and Flux were talking about patches and what they would like to see changed.
Anyway I think the AE patch is good. Maybe the Japanese can get reinvigorated again, a while back Tokido was talking about how the Japanese are getting tired of SF4. Maybe this patch can hold us over until the next big FG.
Also it's not like pros don't want patches, quite a few would like patch changes. Just a couple days ago Bum and Flux were talking about patches and what they would like to see changed.
Anyway I think the AE patch is good. Maybe the Japanese can get reinvigorated again, a while back Tokido was talking about how the Japanese are getting tired of SF4. Maybe this patch can hold us over until the next big FG.
toddhunter
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I would see adding moves as a balance change. It also highlights that not only do some balance moves make a character more or less competitive, they can also make a character more or less fun to play. That matters to me.
Passive Assassin
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http://www.twitch.tv/iebattlegrounds/new 3S at superdojo.
scytheavatar
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They are tired of SF4 because they are ready for a SF5. Tokido said that few in Japan want a new SF4 version.
Is it just me or does that look better than the console versions? Not just the colors but the animation.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I'm pro AE patch and I am pro non high competitive players caring. There is interest and that is a good thing. People not caring at all would be worse.
And what is there to say if they didn't do this patch now sf5 would come faster?
Go AE 2013 and a 1/2!!
And what is there to say if they didn't do this patch now sf5 would come faster?
Go AE 2013 and a 1/2!!
Eventually the casuals always leave, and the 50-100k or so hardcores remain- and games have to keep a segment of that market.
You need casuals to get sales, you need hardcores to sustain a community.
Passive Assassin
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Looks so clean.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
If IPL was still gonna happen then a small balance patch mostly directed at unblockables would make a lot of sense, but I don't know what Capcom otherwise gets out of patching a game that's nearly 5 years old now, and the way they talk makes me feel like this will be no small patch. Certainly, the game isn't perfect, and there are still a handful of glaring balance issues outside of unblockables that could use some attention, but you're never going to get perfect and the game is extremely well-balanced considering the amount of characters there are. Unless you play a zoning character then you probably wish they stopped after Super came out.
I don't know what they get out of it, but if the game ends up better off for it then I'm all for it. Chun for top tier pls.
I don't know what they get out of it, but if the game ends up better off for it then I'm all for it. Chun for top tier pls.
Arcades is why they patch more frequently. Likely means DS4's a while off.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
I don't know why anyone would think a balance patch would bring a lot of new blood into the arcades at this point.
toddhunter
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Not new blood, just keeps the old blood plugging away for a bit longer until they release something new.
Yup. They also want to maintain the licensing fees.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Maybe they had the patch in the pipeline because of IPL, not knowing what was going to happen. Maybe they are like, were are in the pipeline already. Just finish it. Let's engage the community and use it it to build some good will.
Probably the point of the patch is to get folks to buy the expansion+DLC.
There's probably about 100k hardcore players, get them to spend about $20 each that's $2mil.
Decent profit for Capcom.
The instant Ono publicly mentioned it there was a very high probability it was already in the works.
Remember, one of the tricks to "getting people hype" without letting them down is to get them excited for the potential release/announcements that you're already planning to deliver.
This is also why the "Tell Marvel you love UMvC3!" is/was such a red flag that something's up.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I still think it was in the works once they nailed down the Tekken crossover. It only makes sense to repurpose any extra models you're creating (with financial assistance from Namco, as well) if you can get away with it. Not only was it easier to create SFxT using SFIV's assets, it's easier to re-use the new assets in the old game for one last expansion pack, essentially. Nice little contingency plan in case the SFxT thing didn't go as well as they hoped.
Which it hasn't.
toddhunter
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Could be. Giving something for Combofiend to do might also be part of it. Or maybe Capcom are going to follow up the 25th anniversary stuff with more of their own tournies.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Yea, ever since sfXtk, I thought those guys might get into sf4. Especially Now since it didn't do the greatest financially they might do it.
So they could potentially put sfxt dudley aka the real dudley in sf4? LOL, no, but that might get me to play the game again.
put_kazuya_in_sf4
It's okay. The game turned out to be pretty boring to watch anyway.
Edit: Oh hey! They have player cards now. Nice. The game definitely needed that at launch, but at least they have it now.
Yes I will always berieve!
How can Melty Blood underwater possibly be boring!
Strange in Stereo
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Clockw0rk with the godlike Strider combos.
Really enjoying Dios X commentary.
Really enjoying Dios X commentary.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I want my Hakan vs Hugo match, noaw!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Carmine = ground based Jedah
Ragingnight
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so.... is iron man a hard matchup for zero? Killer Kai looks like he is struggling against Freedom's IM.
Master Milk
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that's probably just killer kai being killer kai