Haunted
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sorry bro, that majoras mask remake trailer on YT was a hoax
Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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Crimson_Gold
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Obvious, but apparently it does not seem to be with the strategy of Nintendo.
I also find it hard to believe that people will be clamoring for an engine from a company that is struggling with HD development. I know you stated they should do this after the company is up to speed on it, but everyone else is still progressing as well.
Why doesn't Nintendo lower the licensing fee and make publishers feel like it is too good of deal to pass up?
Given the behavior of developers, it seems that they have personally invested themselves in the destruction of Nintendo. They're beyond not supporting it, they've moved to publicly trashing it which makes me believe they feel there is more to be gained by destroying Nintendo than just walking away and ignoring them.
They're burning bridges. If Nintendo did go 3rd party, why would they want to help these unprofessional people or the platforms they work on?
They're burning bridges. If Nintendo did go 3rd party, why would they want to help these unprofessional people or the platforms they work on?
Green Biker Dude
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so you're satisified with all the games on the wii u? ok then, no need for unreal engine 4 on wii u. thread over. glad we could settle this
Barack Lesnar
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Quite a few people did. There were some huge UE4 Wii U threads last year that had a lot of debate about this very subject. Ouch.
EA is being hypocritical than, they say don't bet against Nintendo but than not give the Wii U, BF4 and Frostbite.
So aren't they betting against Nintendo?
Nintendo needs to take a billion out of the bank, go to some independent developers, and say
show me your game ideas and fund a wide range of game types, that would give them at least 10-20 new ip's easy.
it would help them with genres they're not good at also. that won't happen because when you have the same people running a company they refuse to change with the times, and that's where Nintendo is today.
Nintendo is a conservative company and by default conservatives don't like change, they love the status quo. they need more progressives in charge of the company on all levels.
the status quo is even reflected in the games they make which is pretty much all rehashes. won't let first party teams make what they want, try new ideas, pay for higher engine tech etc. they cannot survive like this forever.
show me your game ideas and fund a wide range of game types, that would give them at least 10-20 new ip's easy.
it would help them with genres they're not good at also. that won't happen because when you have the same people running a company they refuse to change with the times, and that's where Nintendo is today.
Nintendo is a conservative company and by default conservatives don't like change, they love the status quo. they need more progressives in charge of the company on all levels.
the status quo is even reflected in the games they make which is pretty much all rehashes. won't let first party teams make what they want, try new ideas, pay for higher engine tech etc. they cannot survive like this forever.
At this very GDC Nintendo showed efforts to get app developers on board didn't they? That's probably a good move.
They're betting against the Wii U being a platform that has an audience for EA's games, which is somewhat different.
metalslimer
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Nintendo has never had a console selling as bad as wiiu is this early, and nintendo certainly did get 3rd party support with the gamecube
isn't everyone clinging to a dying business model?
Nintendo X Sony would be better.
Sony needs Nintendo as much as Nintendo needs Sony me thinks.
If Nintendo and Microsoft merged or teamed up I'd be scared of what Microsoft would try to do to Nintendo.
But betting against Wii U is betting against Nintendo so wouldn't that just be doing what they said people shouldn't do?
I bought mine for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, but I realize that I'm an edge case.
Freezie KO
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Select Japanese third-parties, indie developers, and a hybrid console-handheld (effectively doubling their own first-party output on their single platform).
This is how Nintendo should proceed and create their own ecosystem.
This is how Nintendo should proceed and create their own ecosystem.
Even Nekofrog, NeoGAF's prime Nintendo detractor, is wearing one. I'm waiting for him to throw a pro-Nintendo tantrum.
TalesOfWin
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How do you feel bad for nintendo? This is their doing, they released a half-assed console. They should had spent more money on tech. Their warchest is like 20 billion anyway.
It appears this way. It's as if Nintendo's platform is a potential threat to their success on PS4/Durango and they're not even willing to hedge against that.
Dave Meltzer
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To lesser extents.
At least Sony is kinda trying to move to mobile to an extent, and Microsoft are trying to position the Xbox as more than just a games console.
Doc Holliday
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I would agree with that list minus Skyward Sword. Still playing it and I can't bring myself to finish it :/ Wind Waker while one the prettiest games ever, was severely flawed. Way too short and the fetch quest at the end was a travesty! Cock tease of a game.
Mark Reign has a history of trolling and saying outrageous things to get a response out of people. I think the audience was more laughing at how much of a jester Reign is than laughing at Nintendo.
sony and nintendo sorta have a lot of bad blood between them. plus their design philosophy when it comes to games is completely different.
microsoft would just rot them from the inside out though, i agree.
Smiles and Cries
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I was gonna hate one you for that Wind Waker remark but I have a soft spot for your #1
I think the Wind Waker HD needs extras like new areas to climb that list
I not sure I NEOGAF can be GAF without Nintendo
Sega dying was bad enough, people seriously need to think about what that would me to have no Nintendo around
yet I guess I am the only one old enough to remember when ATARI was a thing
Barack Lesnar
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I'd love to wear one just to screw with people.
DragonSworne
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Iwata's business model has a worse half life
Doc Holliday
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The tech is the last thing I'm worried about honestly. I really thought that at least the games
would be there, but fuck. It's almost april and no Pikmin 3.
SonicMegaDrive
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I already played that game for the N64. Enough with the rehashes already, Nintendo.
Ninja Scooter
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Mario Kart Wii sold on the back of Wii sports and the Wii mote fad. That audience is not die hard Nintendo fans, and Mario kart was accessible to them, but that audience isn't turning out for Wii u. NSMB U failing to replicate its predecessors success should tip you off to how the next Mario Kart should sell. They will perform well, but the Wii versions and their massive sales were flukes.
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metalslimer
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Your current avatar is good enough
Having a cash reserve is not exactly what I call preparation. Just more time to make the same mistakes.
What I was alluding to, was what I've been saying in each one of these Wii U is a joke threads. Are they expanding to meet the 3rd party exodus? Will they have in-house developers that can provide in genres that won't be supported by third parties any longer?
Phoenician_Viking
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Lol.
Yeah, people saying tech is the reason for Wii U's struggle don't really get it. The list of things Nintendo screwed up with Wii U go to 2 digits before you can list tech as an issue.
I may be a minority here, but better tech does not matter to me at all.
My favorite game of last gen(this gen?) is Xenoblade, a Wii game. I know that having better specs leads to more potential, but it can also drive costs up. It is well proven that fancier tech is not required for solid gameplay.
My favorite game of last gen(this gen?) is Xenoblade, a Wii game. I know that having better specs leads to more potential, but it can also drive costs up. It is well proven that fancier tech is not required for solid gameplay.
Well if Sony and Nintendo was willing to make the "Nintendo PlayStation" all those years ago than I think they can fix each others relationships, I mean Shuhei Yoshida has a Wii U and has no hatred against Nintendo, a guy even said him buying the Wii U is buying the enemy's console and Shuhei Yoshida said "Nintendo isn't our enemy, they are competition"
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/12/sonys_president_of_worldwide_studios_has_a_wii_u
TalesOfWin
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The tech is part of the issue. If Wii U had more ooomph it could run the next-gen engines and by default getting more 3rd party support.
well in the broader sense, you have guys at ea, activision, and epic making new mega engines for pc gaming and new consoles (and some are making them scalable enough for mobile, that's true). not to mention the other third parties doing the same thing.
the ps4 and the new xbox will be microsoft's and sony's first real attempts at the set-top box, i think. if they're successful, they can take over the living room with one device like they truly wanted. from there, it's hard to see if console gaming will actually survive, or if other features will be deemed more attractive in future iterations as gaming moves to other devices.
i'm not predicting a crash (that is crazy), but i think there might be a time not long from now where pc gaming becomes the center of gaming again while some game companies regroup and try to figure out how to reach out to the old console market.
This whole divorce between Nintendo and this side of the gaming business should have been acted and assumed by them long time ago anyway.
Their problem is they pretend they care, and they want to keep a foot in that part of the business, when i always thought it was a dead thing. The whole "WiiU will reconquer gamers blahblah" was bullshit since the beginning. I've always said it, third party games on Nintendo consoles are just there to make Nintendo fan feel better, and eventually avoid having to buy an other system. The others, the guys who are not interested in Nintendo games, why would they change their console...
The whole comedy of the third party appeal is wrong for Nintendo, cause the best thing for them is to sell their own games to the owners of their consoles. And worst than that, th WiiU would have a chance at finding a mainstream success if they hadn't tried to please everyone in first place. That made the WiiU a bad product, failling to reach any demographics by wanting to reach them all.
Nintendo has to act that fact and begin to separate their product by targeting precisely and fully the demographics that are possible for them. For the fans and the old school gamers let's say, they have the 3ds. It's enough. For the "blue ocean" they should design devices that, like the wii did in its time, have nothing to do with the videogame business.
Their problem is they pretend they care, and they want to keep a foot in that part of the business, when i always thought it was a dead thing. The whole "WiiU will reconquer gamers blahblah" was bullshit since the beginning. I've always said it, third party games on Nintendo consoles are just there to make Nintendo fan feel better, and eventually avoid having to buy an other system. The others, the guys who are not interested in Nintendo games, why would they change their console...
The whole comedy of the third party appeal is wrong for Nintendo, cause the best thing for them is to sell their own games to the owners of their consoles. And worst than that, th WiiU would have a chance at finding a mainstream success if they hadn't tried to please everyone in first place. That made the WiiU a bad product, failling to reach any demographics by wanting to reach them all.
Nintendo has to act that fact and begin to separate their product by targeting precisely and fully the demographics that are possible for them. For the fans and the old school gamers let's say, they have the 3ds. It's enough. For the "blue ocean" they should design devices that, like the wii did in its time, have nothing to do with the videogame business.
Nintendo detractor? I love Nintendo. I love their games. I just hate what they've become. I want them to get knocked onto their ass and their nose bloodied. They deserve an ass beating in the industry.
Luigi also happens to be one of my favorite characters of all time.
I DON'T NEED TO JUSTIFY MYSELF. THIS WHOLE COURT IS OUT OF ORDER
I'm hoping for the best.
I have the WiiU mainly for the Nintendo games. I wish it was the end all for me but obviously continuing the Wii strategy not only backfired in their faces but it ensured another cycle of two consoles for me.
Now I just have to decide whether its PS4 or XBOXnext.
But by hoping for the best I do hope that Nintendo recognizes that its not because the console business is dying (it may or may not be) but they can't continue to bank on risky moves like the Wii and WiiU and hope they work out as well as the Wii did initially. Because they caught lightning in a bottle. Both Sony and MS are hip to their game. They won't be caught off guard.
They released the WiiU half powered and either a year too late or a year too early. With the Wii they regained some footing and actually led the industry. They needed to use that advantage to go full throttle with innovative controls and a fully powere console that competes equally with the big two. Hopefully they do stay in the business because we all know they aren't going bankrupt, and they make a proper console next.
I have the WiiU mainly for the Nintendo games. I wish it was the end all for me but obviously continuing the Wii strategy not only backfired in their faces but it ensured another cycle of two consoles for me.
Now I just have to decide whether its PS4 or XBOXnext.
But by hoping for the best I do hope that Nintendo recognizes that its not because the console business is dying (it may or may not be) but they can't continue to bank on risky moves like the Wii and WiiU and hope they work out as well as the Wii did initially. Because they caught lightning in a bottle. Both Sony and MS are hip to their game. They won't be caught off guard.
They released the WiiU half powered and either a year too late or a year too early. With the Wii they regained some footing and actually led the industry. They needed to use that advantage to go full throttle with innovative controls and a fully powere console that competes equally with the big two. Hopefully they do stay in the business because we all know they aren't going bankrupt, and they make a proper console next.
Smiles and Cries
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I would really like to see a Final Bosman episode on this topic
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