Sis Focaccia
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So good. I think in general Louis CK treats these things (and pretty much everything else) in a great way
"django unchained" deeply offended lee daniels: "tarantino has no right to our word."
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So good. I think in general Louis CK treats these things (and pretty much everything else) in a great way
Jew isn't a derogatory term though, and yes I meant kike and all other words like that.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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No one is actually taking back the word. They think they are but they're not really achieving that.
The only thing it does is make the user look like an idiot to the world. And it fuels stereotypes.
SneakyStephan
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I know you're joking but skin color =/= eating like a disgusting pig with no self control and no regard for your own health
One should be as meaningless as hair color, the other is a personal choice (and a wrong choice) and should never be encouraged or tolerated.
1. Black people don't own any word. Nigger is a word invented to insult the black so there is no way they can own it.
2. If you don't want the white people to say nigger first begin with your own community. Almost every rap/hiphop song has nigga/nigger in it. You guys even say it to each and than get mad if a white guy says it. That is not how it fucking works.
2. If you don't want the white people to say nigger first begin with your own community. Almost every rap/hiphop song has nigga/nigger in it. You guys even say it to each and than get mad if a white guy says it. That is not how it fucking works.
PhoenixDark
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Stop telling black people what they can and can't say. I never hear anyone telling Polish people not to call themselves polacks. Nigga is a term of endearment to some people, get over it. I realize you're uncomfortable with who you are, but stop projecting on other people.
Personally I don't use it nor am I offended when white people use it
HappyBivouac
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I wonder how he feels about Mark Twain.
Grinchy
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But we don't have an article about a Polish person demanding that only Polish people can utter the word in any capacity.
Ghost_Protocol
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There's no way to win/lose an argument with these kinds of issues because they're so damn personal but I'll just say this:
1) Calling your friends bitches doesn't mean the same thing when you use the term against women.
2) Calling your friends homosexual slurs doesn't mean the same thing when you use them against homosexual people.
3) Calling your friends assholes, bastards, motherfuckers, etc. doesn't mean the same thing when you do the same to strangers.
4) I can call my mother/father/brother/sister stupid, but you fucking cannot. IT MEANS SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S THE EXACT SAME WORD BUT ITS SOMEHOW MORE OFFENSIVE.
Why can't people understand that we talk to different people in our lives in certain ways that aren't appropriate for everyone else we interact with? What's so complicated about it? Rap music that uses the n-word was created by a group of people who were familiar enough with each other to be comfortable using it regularly.
Have you ever heard Jay Z, 50 Cent, or Kanye west use the n-word in any press interview/ talk show appearance/ awards show presentation EVER? No, you haven't. They curse, but they do not dare say nigga on Jay Leno or something.
1) Calling your friends bitches doesn't mean the same thing when you use the term against women.
2) Calling your friends homosexual slurs doesn't mean the same thing when you use them against homosexual people.
3) Calling your friends assholes, bastards, motherfuckers, etc. doesn't mean the same thing when you do the same to strangers.
4) I can call my mother/father/brother/sister stupid, but you fucking cannot. IT MEANS SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S THE EXACT SAME WORD BUT ITS SOMEHOW MORE OFFENSIVE.
Why can't people understand that we talk to different people in our lives in certain ways that aren't appropriate for everyone else we interact with? What's so complicated about it? Rap music that uses the n-word was created by a group of people who were familiar enough with each other to be comfortable using it regularly.
Have you ever heard Jay Z, 50 Cent, or Kanye west use the n-word in any press interview/ talk show appearance/ awards show presentation EVER? No, you haven't. They curse, but they do not dare say nigga on Jay Leno or something.
PhoenixDark
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The point is that some Polish people view it as a term of endearment, but if a non Polish person says it then it has a different meaning. Same applies to some words gay people might use but be offended if a straight person used.
I have no problem with QT using the word in Django. It's a western set in the 1860s, featuring a black character...why wouldn't it feature the n word given the setting? Someone just brought up Mark Twain, who also wrote about the south and how blacks were viewed at the time. Is it racist to have historically accurate dialogue? I'm not saying Django is some super accurate period piece but come on, white people said nigger a whole lot in 1860 Mississippi.
And going back to QT's other films and their use of the word, it doesn't surprise me that white hit men, criminals, Nazis, etc would have an ugly vocabulary that included racial slurs.
What? He said it doesn't belong in ANYONE'S vocabularly, not black people's.
Then either stop using nigger altogether, or stop telling white people to stop using it.
That's because the amount of polish people calling themselves polacks is unbelievably low. Really, the flourishing polish hiphop scene is shockingly devoid of rappers going around dropping p-bombs.
PhoenixDark
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It's already been explained that nigger and nigga aren't the same words and have different meaning.
Plenty of Polish people use the term, Italians use terms they wouldn't want non Italians to use, etc. I'm in no position to criticize their views on the matter, nor do I put any stock in white people concern trolling about not being able to say nigger.
Lee Daniels is an idiot.
Yes it's Lee Daniels who is keeping racism alive. He's the one that made made Alaska Rep. Don Young say wetback, Don Hikind wearing blackface or any other form of racism happening today. Thank you Lee Daniels for keeping hate alive!
What do you want to have happen here? Do you want black people to stop using it or do you want white people to be able to call black people niggers free of consequence?
Yeah, they totally had long winded monologues about their houses being mistaken for a dead nigger storages and sicilians being spawned from niggers. And the people who said those comments were upstanding working class citizens. Maybe if it were just some passing comment like "Let's not act like a bunch of Niggers" in Reservoir Dogs, I'd be willing to agree, but the stuff Tarantino ham fists into his films is leaps and bounds past that. It's just weird to the extent he does it.
RawkHawk2010
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EVERYONE has a right to EVERY word depending on the context.
PhoenixDark
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The only uses I found...odd were the "dead nigger storage" and Sicilian story. I tend to not be offended by anything but I will admit the Sicilian thing annoyed me on my first viewing, even though I had basic knowledge of the Moors. And dead nigger storage was just was out of nowhere; he was married to a black chick though lol.
Obviously some white people use the word when black people aren't around. Maybe QT is just expressing that honestly. Maybe he grew up watching Blaxploitation flicks that featured memorable, witty dialogue that revolved around the use of nigga or nigger. I don't believe he's racist or is trying to prove some ugly point.
Obviously some white people use the word when black people aren't around. Maybe QT is just expressing that honestly. Maybe he grew up watching Blaxploitation flicks that featured memorable, witty dialogue that revolved around the use of nigga or nigger. I don't believe he's racist or is trying to prove some ugly point.
I don't think he's racist either, simply that his fascination with black racial epithets/comments is weird and that the Django Unchained controversy exists solely because of that odd fascination through out the entirety of his filmography. He's still one of my favorite contemporary directors working today.
Grinchy
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That was really weird to me. It stuck out so strongly b/c it didn't seem to fit into the movie at all (imo). If someone thought Quentin might be a little racist after that, I guess I don't blame them.
But Django? It just seems insane to me to complain about such an appropriate use of the word in such a fantastic film.
Sounds like you are well and truly upset. People should say whatever they want but they shouldn't be mad if context doesn't agree with it.
I want black people to stop first before complaining the whole time. If they stop saying it then we white people should stop too. I hear young black people on street saying "wazzup my nigga".
People like Lee Daniels and Spike Lee keep racism alive. I have the feeling that these people don't even like white people and are racist themselves. That just the feeling i get from them and is not a actual fact.
edit: And saying that nigga has other context then nigger is bullshit. Nigga = Nigger and nothing else.
No it isn't. You can't forbid me to say something about you if you say it yourself the whole time. Example: If i said some bad words about your mother and you don't like this but you are saying using the same language to other people then you have no right say that i should not use those words.
Ignorant is ignorant. You don't play a game of "Yeah but.... you first", when it comes to shit like this. People should really stop using it altogether, and we should push for that as a whole.
Playing the "You first" game with something like this is fucking retarded.
Red Liquorice
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Just saw the movie. Besides it feeling like a total re-run of Kill Bill, I quite enjoyed it. Not as much as Deathproof, Pulp, Jackie, Reservoir - but it was more of Tarantino, all the trademarks - familiar cozy popcorn fun at this point, alll without a single pair of bright red spandex pants or a molded plastic six pack in sight.
I'm not really sure why anyone would have anything against the language in the movie - the language seemed legitimate for the setting. The KKK were portayed as stock comedy fools, the hero won his girl, the plantation owner and his Judas of an Uncle Tom got theirs - where was the problem? The only thing that offended me was the jarring use of hip-hop on the soundtrack, but I suppose they had that to sell too.
I'm not really sure why anyone would have anything against the language in the movie - the language seemed legitimate for the setting. The KKK were portayed as stock comedy fools, the hero won his girl, the plantation owner and his Judas of an Uncle Tom got theirs - where was the problem? The only thing that offended me was the jarring use of hip-hop on the soundtrack, but I suppose they had that to sell too.
So essentially you want to be able to call black people niggers because some black people use nigga as a form of camaraderie? Lee Daniels and Spike Lee aren't keeping racism alive, that shit is absurd.
Edit: This whole "it's unfair that I as a white person can't say it." shit needs to stop. This is not about you not being able to get a job or live in whatever neighborhood you want to because you're white.
You can't call a group of people a racial slur free of consequence just because some black people use it. Is it really that important for you to be able to call me a nigger?
I'm happy with who I am and I hate the word "nigga". It was a struggle for me to even type it.
It's crazy to assume that he isn't uncomfortable with himself because he thinks it's a stupid word. It is a stupid word. But of course, I'm not going to get all worked up when someone says it around me.
I'm sorry ya'll, that's just the way it is. That's the society that hundreds of years slavery and Jim Crow has left us.
It's definitely not fair that non-Black people are often chastised for using a word that Blacks are free to levy whenever they please, but then again, neither is the fact that black people are more likely to be incarcerated for the same crimes that white people commit. Or the fact that we're paid less for doing the same work. Or the fact that drug laws are constructed in and carried out in such a way to target blacks. Or the fact that black parents have to place legitimate thought into giving their kids a 'white' name so they won't have their resumes instantly rejected down the road. Or the fact that the majority of wealth in this country is passed down through property, which blacks were omitted from with racist laws. Or the fact that we're less likely to turn on the television or start up a video game and be met with characters that are representative of what we seen in the mirrors. Or the fact that blacks have to put serious thought into where they travel too out of fear that their skin color may or may not be in favor within city, state or country they're traveling too. Or the fact that if one of our kids is kidnapped, we're less likely to get airtime within the news, while the exact opposite is true for white children. Or the fact that a disproportionate amount of blacks are born into an impoverished environment, within a country where it's more likely you'll fall down the class spectrum than climb it. Or the fact that black forms of beauty are pushed aside and smothered, while European standards of beauty are propped up as the normalized standard of beauty. Or the fact that things effecting urban communities are not changed until their effects spill out. I could honestly go for days.
I'm 100% with you though. It's unfair that blacks have free reign over a word that is taboo for white people to say, but excuse me if I fail to really give a shit while the stuff I listed above is still rampant within our society. Put a decent sized dent within the above, and I guarantee that we'll collectively concede and give up the rights to the word.
It's definitely not fair that non-Black people are often chastised for using a word that Blacks are free to levy whenever they please, but then again, neither is the fact that black people are more likely to be incarcerated for the same crimes that white people commit. Or the fact that we're paid less for doing the same work. Or the fact that drug laws are constructed in and carried out in such a way to target blacks. Or the fact that black parents have to place legitimate thought into giving their kids a 'white' name so they won't have their resumes instantly rejected down the road. Or the fact that the majority of wealth in this country is passed down through property, which blacks were omitted from with racist laws. Or the fact that we're less likely to turn on the television or start up a video game and be met with characters that are representative of what we seen in the mirrors. Or the fact that blacks have to put serious thought into where they travel too out of fear that their skin color may or may not be in favor within city, state or country they're traveling too. Or the fact that if one of our kids is kidnapped, we're less likely to get airtime within the news, while the exact opposite is true for white children. Or the fact that a disproportionate amount of blacks are born into an impoverished environment, within a country where it's more likely you'll fall down the class spectrum than climb it. Or the fact that black forms of beauty are pushed aside and smothered, while European standards of beauty are propped up as the normalized standard of beauty. Or the fact that things effecting urban communities are not changed until their effects spill out. I could honestly go for days.
I'm 100% with you though. It's unfair that blacks have free reign over a word that is taboo for white people to say, but excuse me if I fail to really give a shit while the stuff I listed above is still rampant within our society. Put a decent sized dent within the above, and I guarantee that we'll collectively concede and give up the rights to the word.
BadAss2961
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They're both revenge flicks. That's about all I thought they had in common.
Spring-Loaded
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This would be like you seeing a guy smack his girlfriend on the ass, walking up and doing the same, getting indignant when they get pissed off/kick your ass, then trying to make a point about how it's hypocritical of them to get angry when someone they don't know performs an action they are only comfortable with when it's performed by someone they know.
What other people call/do to one another is between them. What other people are comfortable with does not need to make sense to you. If you mind your own business and do what you know to be right without trying to stir things up/convince others the of error of their ways, then you'll more easily keep yourself from getting riled up over society not tolerating you saying the word nigger.
What was the Sicilian thing/story? I don't remember.
Count Dookkake
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Tarantino's interest in feet is more offensive.
shanshan310
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I know its dumb but the wording of this kind of made me laugh, could he not remember any words?
No offense, but you sound really childish here. Are you old enough to drive a car?
Yep.
Blake'sGrave
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sounds fair to me.
MWS Natural
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Get the fuck out of here with this dumb shit. As if Spike Lee or Lee Daniels were any different then all the institutional racism in America would come crashing down and the KKK would pack it up. Blaming black people for racism is past the usual level of racial stupidity on GAF.
What's laughable is the fact that people in this thread are seriously complaining about not being able to call black people niggers.
Well, yes. Because all black people use "nigger/nigga," like, all the time...
The truth is, many black people in America despise the word "nigger/nigga," and for a lot of us, we would be more that happy if we never heard the word again. Unfortunately, that will never be the case, so most of us just kind of grin and bear it, and accept that it's a part of common vernacular for a lot of people (minority or otherwise).
I can see why Lee and Daniels would be offended and upset by Tarantino making a film about slavery. I don't agree with their reasoning, but I can understand the frustration. Lee, especially, as much as I can't stand him, I'm sure has experienced the issues facing minorities in Hollywood during his career, so I can see how it would bother him that a non-black was once again given carte blanche to create the type of film he wants to make, and with the type of subject matter he'd like to do.
I haven't seen Django yet, but I'm eager to (I also should have expected this thread to have unmarked Django spoilers, but oh well). Tarantino has made a career out of using off-color language in his films. To be honest, I almost get the impression from him that he wants to be black so bad, but lives vicariously through his characters and stories. I still find some his egregious uses of the word "nigger" bristling, but for the most part, it doesn't bother me.
If it bothers some, however, I understand and respect that, even if, in some instances, it doesn't bother me.
ConradCervantes
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I've only ever really found Tarantino's use of the word to be awkward during the Bonnie Situation in Pulp Fiction. That just felt like he wanted to say "nigger" on screen. Everything since then, however, I've been okay with. Jackie Brown featured black characters primarily who were written in a manner that I thought it'd be believable that they'd use "nigga" with respect to one another, and Django Unchained was set during the 1860s when that thing was the norm.
I'm sure if Tarantino directed the movie made up like Downey in Tropic Thunder, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I'm sure if Tarantino directed the movie made up like Downey in Tropic Thunder, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
more disturbing than laughable, but yeah, I agree with the overall point. lol.
polish would be the incorrect term, poles would be more akin to what your trying to say(however polish people dont like being called poles either)
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To be quite honest, if Spike Lee had made a film about about a slave going on a rampage killing white folk, there would be a hell of a lot more of an uproar. And not from black people.
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