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[Charmicarmicat]

Cena in tears, you've probably got a day to think about it.

I'm sticking with mine because at least it makes me laugh.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

 

[Freezasaurus]

Yeah, it was better than last year overall. But that second half, by god, so bad.

I don't think it was all that noticeable until somewhere in the Lesnar/HHH match where the crowd reaction completely died.

 

[zychi]

So, will Cena change the belt back?
And will there be a tie breaker match at Wrestlemania XXX?

No and No.
Theres tshirts with Cenas belt already.
Rock is done til he needs to promote another movie.

 

[Professor Beef]

Doesn't even have to be Japan. Bully Ray's heel character is FAR more interesting than this.

That's right, Bubba Ray is a more interesting reason to watch a show than the clods WWE gives the titles to.

Well yeah, that's been true for over a year now.

 

[CrowdChant]

Cena is not Stone Cold.

Obviously. My point being, the WWE hates failed heel turns. They just don't like it. If they turn Cena they are going to lose merch sales. The last several years they haven't been good at doing heel turns anyway. They'd overdo it with Cena, just like they did with Austin. They'd have him beat on women because they feel like that's what they would have to do to turn him.

Sure the "smart" fans want him to turn, but it's not like the guy will be the "heel you love to hate". People just outright hate Cena. They can't stand him. What would they gain by turning him heel? You think in a month's time people will say "Hey I like the new Cena, I am gonna by his "U Can't C Me" shirt now! They'd have to completely change his character and they aren't comfortable doing it.

Too many risk factors for a heel turn:

-Loss of sales
-Backlash from fans (parents, women)
-Loss of their #1 whore for family friendly events and public appearances
-No one to take his image as a clean shaven, bring home to mama face

 

[Kyoufu]

Well yeah, that's been true for over a year now.

Wrong.

Heel Punk title reign has been excellent.

Now that he's going to take a break though, I will probably just watch Bully Ray.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Well yeah, that's been true for over a year now.

B-b-b-but The Rock!

 

[Ilive1up]

that final match was such sooooo boring. and i hate that it was boring. i wanted to see a good match between them, but nope.

also, that spanish announce table puts up a damn good fight.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

I've been waiting for a Cena heel turn for like 4 years already. I've accepted that it's never gonna happen. Damn little kids.

 

[hlhbk]

Obviously. My point being, the WWE hates failed heel turns. They just don't like it. If they turn Cena they are going to lose merch sales. The last several years they haven't been good at doing heel turns anyway. They'd overdo it with Cena, just like they did with Austin. They'd have him beat on women because they feel like that's what they would have to do to turn him.

Sure the "smart" fans want him to turn, but it's not like the guy will be the "heel you love to hate". People just outright hate Cena. They can't stand him. What would they gain by turning him heel? You think in a month's time people will say "Hey I like the new Cena, I am gonna by his "U Can't C Me" shirt now! They'd have to completely change his character and they aren't comfortable doing it.

Too many risk factors for a heel turn:

-Loss of sales
-Backlash from fans (parents, women)
-Loss of their #1 whore for family friendly events and public appearances
-No one to take his image as a clean shaven, bring home to mama face

See my whole feeling on it is McMahon doesn't care about loss of sales or any of that. If WWE was truely wanting to make boat loads of money WTF are they doing going back to PG? Say what you will but the Attitude era was the most profitable era in wrestling, so if they are worried about sales then they never should have gone away from that.

 

[Foffy]

Maybe he knew...maybe he knew.

 

[Data West]

This is probably karma for getting such an awesome, unexpected title win from another promotion that's gotten as stale as WWE normally

I guess it's worth that exchange.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Wtf was mouth just bitching about?

 

[Keyser Soze]

 

[Dave Meltzer]

#fuckthiscompany

 

[Professor Beef]

Wrong.

Heel Punk title reign has been excellent.

No it hasn't.

B-b-b-but The Rock!

...FUCK

 

[hlhbk]

No it hasn't.


...FUCK

The Punk heel title run was the best thing WWE has done in years.

 

[Kyoufu]

No it hasn't.

Yeah it has. Debating this with someone who doesn't like Punk at all is pointless though.

 

[CrowdChant]

See my whole feeling on it is McMahon doesn't care about loss of sales or any of that. If WWE was truely wanting to make boat loads of money WTF are they doing going back to PG? Say what you will but the Attitude era was the most profitable era in wrestling, so if they are worried about sales then they never should have gone away from that.

I have a feeling it has something to do with the popularity. It just isn't as popular as it was during the attitude area, and cable ratings indicate that. I mean, don't get me wrong WWE does well for itself but part of that are it's other endeavors (movies for example).

I read an article about it like a year ago. WWE makes a fortune from Cena alone. I am under the assumption it is too much to risk losing to a heel turn that caters to only a portion of the fan base.

 

[Alucard]

Raw should be pretty good tomorrow if last year was any indication.

What happened last year?

Wonder how they're gonna play off Punk.

 

[Toki767]

See my whole feeling on it is McMahon doesn't care about loss of sales or any of that. If WWE was truely wanting to make boat loads of money WTF are they doing going back to PG? Say what you will but the Attitude era was the most profitable era in wrestling, so if they are worried about sales then they never should have gone away from that.

I've kind of felt like merchandise sales isn't what's stopping Vince from turning Cena heel more than it'd be Vince admitting that he was wrong in how he chose to book Cena with the majority hating him.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I have a feeling it has something to do with the popularity. It just isn't as popular as it was during the attitude area, and cable ratings indicate that. I mean, don't get me wrong WWE does well for itself but part of that are it's other endeavors (movies for example).

I read an article about it like a year ago. WWE makes a fortune from Cena alone. I am under the assumption it is too much to risk losing to a heel turn that caters to only a portion of the fan base.

Yea, Cena is the most popular draw at House shows which are a big part of the income.

 

[hlhbk]

I have a feeling it has something to do with the popularity. It just isn't as popular as it was during the attitude area, and cable ratings indicate that. I mean, don't get me wrong WWE does well for itself but part of that are it's other endeavors (movies for example).

I read an article about it like a year ago. WWE makes a fortune from Cena alone. I am under the assumption it is too much to risk losing to a heel turn that caters to only a portion of the fan base.

It isn't as popular because they went away from what made them red hot in the late 90's/early 00's!

 

[LiquidSolid]

Doesn't even have to be Japan. Bully Ray's heel character is FAR more interesting than this.

That's right, Bubba Ray is a more interesting reason to watch a show than the clods WWE gives the titles to.

Sure and TNA is definitely a much better product than the WWE right now but New Japan's still so much better, it's not even funny.

 

[RyudBoy]

lol i still can't believe that the main event was worse than the match they had a year earlier, and that match was already bad. they put zero effort into making this memorable. even the post stuff was fucking meh. some passing the torch that was

 

[Ninja Scooter]

See my whole feeling on it is McMahon doesn't care about loss of sales or any of that. If WWE was truely wanting to make boat loads of money WTF are they doing going back to PG? Say what you will but the Attitude era was the most profitable era in wrestling, so if they are worried about sales then they never should have gone away from that.

The attitude era wouldn't work anymore. 10-15 years ago teens and twenty something's could be talked into thinking wrestling was cool by throwing in some curse words and edgy story lines. That's not happening today. Teens these days won't think "suck it" is cool. They've been getting blowjobs since 4th grade.

 

[Professor Beef]

The Punk heel title run was the best thing WWE has done in years.

Also the most boring.

Yeah it has. Debating this with someone who doesn't like Punk at all is pointless though.

I liked Punk until his title reign became boring. Maybe if the booking was better he could've had some memorable matches, but I can't remember any of them besides a D.Brine match he had that had more to do with AJ than the title.

 

[Spiderjericho]

Team Face!
So Im curious how things came off on the show. Did Swagger get a proper intro or did it start with him in the ring? Was odd, he just snuck down the ramp with no fanfare.
Also was the elimination of the mixed tag explained?

He rode to the ring in the buggy but his music didn't play. It segues into the video promo.

I was in the nose bleed seats and I feel like all of the results were predictable and safe except for the Shield/WWE and Henry/Ryback matches. They were head scratchers.

Poor Ziggles. And the Funk/Rhodes Scholar match was cut.

 

[Judderman]

Wtf was mouth just bitching about?

Someone had a pretty tasteless Blue Blazer sign.

 

[Jitters]

huh, He didn't turn.

 

[Alucard]

This is probably karma for getting such an awesome, unexpected title win from another promotion that's gotten as stale as WWE normally

I guess it's worth that exchange.

Much respect to Jay Briscoe. That's how you end a show and shock your audience.

 

[hlhbk]

The attitude era wouldn't work anymore. 10-15 years ago teens and twenty something's could be talked into thinking wrestling was cool. That's not happening today.

They said the same thing around 1990-1996. People thought it was cool in the 80's and it would never get that big again. I don't buy it.

 

[toddhunter]

Don't concentrate on Cena, that was always going to happen.

Now a Big Show heel turn? That throws up a lot of exciting possibilities.

 

[Musolf815]

I shouldn't be shocked, but maaan that Triple H win and Cena win with no heel turns was incredibly deflating.

 

[hlhbk]

Also the most boring.

I liked Punk until his title reign became boring. Maybe if the booking was better he could've had some memorable matches, but I can't remember any of them besides a D.Brine match he had that had more to do with AJ than the title.

Punk is far better than anything else in wrestling today BAR NONE.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Someone had a pretty tasteless Blue Blazer sign.

Oh I looked it up, I thought he was referring to an actual blue blazer or something lol.

 

[Toki767]

I think we can all agree that Punk/Taker closing the show would have made everyone happier.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Oh yeah, fuck Ryback. He cost me £200.

 

[Data West]

Punk is far better than anything else in wrestling today BAR NONE.

If all you watch is WWE, I guess.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

They said the same thing around 1990-1996. People thought it was cool in the 80's and it would never get that big again. I don't buy it.

That's because the attitude era was fresh back then. Wrestling was Saturday morning cartoon status in those days. It was a completely new angle.

 

[Spider from Mars]

I threw together something quick before I hit the bottle. If anyone wants to give me a better avatar, lemme know.

 

[Alucard]

Gotta agree that from a business standpoint, it probably doesn't make much sense for the WWE to turn Cena heel. They also have to answer to investors who will wonder why they turned their cash cow. Cena is a necessary evil for the WWE to continue making money and to do all of their humanitarian outreach programs.

 

[Jitters]

I'm legit upset the 8 person tag got cut. I love fun matches like that.

 

[MetatronM]

How bad was that main event? Holy shit.

More when I get home, low on juice.

 

[Razorskin]

Maybe he knew...maybe he knew.

Of course he knew, he's turning to get fed to Cena in the near future.

 

[Professor Beef]

Oh yeah, fuck Ryback. He cost me £200.

He went off the script, did he? Sucks for you, Mr. Meltzer.

 

[hlhbk]

If all you watch is WWE, I guess.

I watch New Japan, ROH, TNA, and WWE. He is by far the best thing in Pro wrestling today.

 

[zychi]

One of the few saving graces tonight: HBK still sells better than anyone in professional wrestling.

*Except Ziggler

 

[LiquidSolid]

If all you watch is WWE, I guess.

And even then, Daniel Bryan is much better in the ring.