According to this new rumor, no.
You will need it as online as you would need a X360 without disc tray. It won't block you from playing without internet, and you can't place any game there without a connection (or a Durango linked).
VG Leaks: BC for NextBox to be an add on, can play offline
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According to this new rumor, no.
You will need it as online as you would need a X360 without disc tray. It won't block you from playing without internet, and you can't place any game there without a connection (or a Durango linked).
I remember some LinkedIn profile being posted here several times which showed a woman redesigning the 360 PPCchip for 28(?) nm?
NullPointer
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Ol No Bones
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I bet the hard drive has very little storage on the cheapest mini.
dragonbane
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But why though when it generates them free money? Once Cell is 25nm and RSX is 28nm the PS3 will be dirt cheap to produce. It simply doesn't make any sense business wise to discontinue it once it becomes highly profitable even at a low price. Especially since they need to recoup massive losses on the PS3. Better keep the PS3 alive as long as you can to get some money back.
This one's still up in the air, I think. By the way updates have been coming in, we'll probably find out soon enough.
Even if so, that's not nearly as painful as Durango games requiring always-online.
Unless it means that Durango still require an online connection to work at all, but games aren't affected by possible connection problems. While mini360 would require online also for playing in single too. This would combine quite well what said by Thurrott the last time (Internet required), Verge (TV functions needing online) and VGLeaks (always online but games working without need of online).
BlazingDarkness
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Aesthetically I imagine the new XBOX Mini will look similar to the Durango, in terms of colour and design, and yes, it'll be smaller and quieter and whatnot. And it will also offer the TV functionality that Microsoft is investing in. Plus it means more money for them.
Tripolygon
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He doesn't make any sense, many have pointed out how illogical he thinks but yet he carries on. You squash one illogical idea, he pops up with another and carries or with the same. I'm afraid you are wasting your time.
Beer Monkey
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If you buy this theoretical Mini without a Durango, it is the true "online only" console, as there is NO WAY TO GET GAMES IN IT other than the internet.
Things are starting to make sense, if true.
Things are starting to make sense, if true.
tfur
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Sounds kludgey.
A mini flacid 360, that needs to dongle to a Durango for discs.
Duplication of TV overlay technology on both devices.
Interesting that the rumors from this article are basically the opposite of all of the other rumor articles.
Either these are new leaks direct from Microsoft, or someone is trolling.
A mini flacid 360, that needs to dongle to a Durango for discs.
Duplication of TV overlay technology on both devices.
Interesting that the rumors from this article are basically the opposite of all of the other rumor articles.
Either these are new leaks direct from Microsoft, or someone is trolling.
IdreamofHIME
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Having to buy a whole new console to play 360 games, they just don't get it at all. People happy with this need their heads examined.
Oppo
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I don't know how I feel about paying 100 bux for this, but if you think on it, 100 bux for a XBLA/streaming box will have to be appealing to some ppl
Tripp Daily
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I think this is a great idea for people that don't want to spend the money on a new console right away but still want to play a couple of games. As i understand the article, the Xbox mini works as a standalone device that is able to play XBLA games and 360 games through download.
It seems like a cheap way to get into gaming and then being able to upgrade to the larger box (durango) when you feel like it. It's basically google tv with 360 games.
I also think that people that are looking at this as a way for backwards compatibility are looking at it (no pun intended) backwards. I don't think MS is going to be marketing this as an add on to the durango (although they wouldn't be opposed to you buying it), but as a lower cost solution to gaming and xbox live content/services.
It seems like a cheap way to get into gaming and then being able to upgrade to the larger box (durango) when you feel like it. It's basically google tv with 360 games.
I also think that people that are looking at this as a way for backwards compatibility are looking at it (no pun intended) backwards. I don't think MS is going to be marketing this as an add on to the durango (although they wouldn't be opposed to you buying it), but as a lower cost solution to gaming and xbox live content/services.
Or C keep your old console and not have to fiddle with all this mess.
Indeed, unfortunately.
Brilliant.
Anyway, I guess most of the whiners have been put to rest with this rather convenient (and probably necessary) 'leak'. I rather like the idea of a small modular unit that attaches to allow for BC. Not everyone will want it out of the box.
The confirmation of no requirement for online connection will put many at ease. I still can't believe some of the idiotic responses we saw on the forums with regards to the rumor.. really embarrassing considering we're all technically in the same group here (GAF).
MS are on it, now we need games, specs and features. Can't wait!
If you already own a 360, it's not a problem as you can still use it. If you don't, it's not a problem because you can play 360 games by buying a $150 Mini (or buy an $80 used 360 if you don't care about one unified platform). If you don't want BC, you aren't forced to pay for it. So where's the problem?
This is a far better solution than jacking up the price of everyone's console because a fringe population demands BC. And it'll probably prove to be a better solution than PS4's BC.
BlazingDarkness
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It needs the persistent connection for the TV functionality and whatnot, to play games though, that's still up in the air. The only way it can play disc games is when connected with the Durango, so it all depends how it connects - whether it's through a network, in which case it probably would need the persistent connection - or it might be running using the actual Mini hardware, despite being in the Durango disc tray. The latter sounds a bit complicated so I'm leaning towards the former, network connection.
Beer Monkey
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I was talking about solutions that don't require you to keep around two sets of controllers and use multiple HDMI inputs on your TV/receiver.
And honestly the PS3 still takes up a ton of space. Mini should be tiny, and possibly stackable.
Microsoft is offering choice. Choice is good for consumers.
Tripolygon
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It is mind boggling and infuriating how people forget this part of keeping your existing old console. They come up with ludicrous arguments like keeping Xbox360 controllers around and having to use extra HDMI ports.
Kazuma Kiryu
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22nm actually it seems. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535647
edit: and the rsx is already 28nm i believe.
Beer Monkey
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clutch.as.it.gets.
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Beer Monkey
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Nobody forgets, it's just lots of people just don't want to deal with all the space, clutter, input switching, rendundant controllers, and so on.
Ok, so say you plan on buying the Durango day 1. If you could say trade in your old 360 and get either a straight across trade or pretty damn close for the Mini would you?
Slayer-33
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#1 is not a mess, considering the device probably will be as small as a PS2 slim (maybe)
There we go
PS2 slim
Soooooooooo Durango might not be always online?
I'll take Durango.
BlazingDarkness
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The XBOX Mini will probably play an important part in MS revenue to help cover the costs of R&D for Durango and Kinect 2.0 and whatnot - basically it's a bit of a cash cow for them, when it's possible they might lose money on the Durango unit itself - and it pretty much needs to be online to function.
If you going that route the ps4 way is even cleaner.
googleplex
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Yeah this. People have been asking for something like this for PS3 BC even before the PS4 was announced.
BlazingDarkness
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It's not the next best thing, it's better; it offers BC and XBL access and TV streaming etc
lastflowers
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No, they ARE SHOVING THIS MINI XBOX DOWN YOUR THROAT. All x360's that haven't red-ringed will do so IMMEDIATELY after this is released. Every person that wants to play 360 games now HAS TO buy the mini and buy the Durango.
And pay 200$ for live per month, and buy Comcast.
Because f*** you consumer.
(Disclaimer ms employee on WP. Knows nothing about xbox so don't ask).
Blergmeister
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Can they just make a SKU of Durango that also includes the mini but under the hood? I'll pay the extra $100!
Oppo
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Hey, I think it's fascinating. You'll get no argument from me on the choice bit.
The phrasing in that part is kind of strange: they underlined it when they already said it's like this gen. It was unnecessary. I've already expressed my opinion on the matter:
Still, not that I think about it: isn't releasing a brand new Xbox with Apple TV functions at 149$ alongside Durango that will have those Apple TV functions at a much bigger price...a sort of giant obstacle for Durango's initial sales?
dragonbane
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Does anyone else here think input lag is going to be a serious problem with this? When you press a button on your controller the input goes to your Durango first, is then being streamed to the Xbox Mini over your network, then gets processed by the 360, then the 360 sends the rendered image back to the Durango over your network and finally Durango sends the image over HDMI to your TV.
There are a lot of sources for lag along the way it seems...
There are a lot of sources for lag along the way it seems...
Thx.