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If true, Durango approach to BC:

1) buy some extra stuff and plug it in, once. From then on use your existing Durango controllers, your existing Durango interface, and a single input on your TV.

Versus Sony approach:

1) Wait a few months until they get Gakai up
2) Pray they license the titles you want for Gakai
3) Rebuy your games on Gakai
4) Stream them, online-only, with latency

Sony approach could be similar. They actually patented just such a device.

 

[szaromir]

I wonder how small they could make a 360 by removing its HDD and disk drive in addition to shrinking its SOC down to 32nm.

I think if they can cool it passively then it could be Ouya small.

 

[Takuya]

So PS4 requires always online to play BC and 720 doesn't. Crazy.

Yea it is isn't it? Durango requires a 360, to play 360 games. Crazy!!

 

[SuperSonic1305]

If true, Durango approach to BC:

1) buy some extra stuff and plug it in, once. From then on use your existing Durango controllers, your existing Durango interface, and a single input on your TV.

Versus Sony approach:

1) Wait a few months until they get Gakai up
2) Pray they license the titles you want for Gakai
3) Rebuy your games on Gakai
4) Stream them, online-only, with latency

Or don't buy anything else and just play your PS3. You can go through whatever mental gymnastics required to justify the difference to yourself but at the end of the day it's another box that you need for BC.

 

[SonnyMarrow]

Does anyone else here think input lag is going to be a serious problem with this? When you press a button on your controller the input goes to your Durango first, is then being streamed to the Xbox Mini over your network, then gets processed by the 360, then the 360 sends the rendered image back to the Durango over your network and finally Durango sends the image over HDMI to your TV.

There are a lot of sources for lag along the way it seems...




Thx.

Almost as many lag sources as if you had to send that signal outside your local network to servers streaming the game back to you.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Does anyone else here think input lag is going to be a serious problem with this? When you press a button on your controller the input goes to your Durango first, is then being streamed to the Xbox Mini over your network, then gets processed by the 360, then the 360 sends the rendered image back to the Durango over your network and finally Durango sends the image over HDMI to your TV.

There are a lot of sources for lag along the way it seems...

By lots of lag I'm assuming you mean like 1/10 the lag of Gakai.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

But why though when it generates them free money? Once Cell is 25nm and RSX is 28nm the PS3 will be dirt cheap to produce. It simply doesn't make any sense business wise to discontinue it once it becomes highly profitable even at a low price. Especially since they need to recoup massive losses on the PS3. Better keep the PS3 alive as long as you can to get some money back.

Possibly. I'm not discounting the fact that they will, but rather the impetus might not as strong as we'd like to believe.

He doesn't make any sense, many have pointed out how illogical he thinks but yet he carries on. You squash one illogical idea, he pops up with another and carries or with the same. I'm afraid you are wasting your time.

Many? How ridiculous. Two, possibly three people at most and they've hardly pointed anything out anything that makes my original post illogical. Speaking of which, your continued use of the word confounds. It has literally no use in the discussion and yet you keep saying it.

My position is only confusing to those who can't see the bigger picture.

 

[sunnz]

Cant help but feel SONY missed a opportunity by not doing something like this first or at least saying they will plan to.

Must have real confidence on Gaikai.

This xbox BC setup requires always online too?

 

[watership]

Wait. We like Microsoft and durango again? GAF, tell me how to react!

 

[ezekielpacman]

If true, Durango approach to BC:

1) buy some extra stuff and plug it in, once. From then on use your existing Durango controllers, your existing Durango interface, and a single input on your TV.

Versus Sony approach:

1) Wait a few months until they get Gakai up
2) Pray they license the titles you want for Gakai
3) Rebuy your games on Gakai
4) Stream them, online-only, with latency

Wait, this means your controller post wasn't a joke? Wow.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Or don't buy anything else and just play your PS3. You can go through whatever mental gymnastics required to justify the difference to yourself but at the end of the day it's another box that you need for BC.

Hopefully Sony sells one too, I'd sell my PS3 and controllers and buy one, it would be dirt cheap and so much less hassle because it would be integrated.

 

[szaromir]

Wait. We like Microsoft and durango again? GAF, tell me how to react!

Don't be silly. You're still supposed to hate Microsoft.

 

[dragonflys545]

Wait. We like Microsoft and durango again? GAF, tell me how to react!

Wait till everything is 100% confirmed?

 

[beanman25]

I'd rather pay for an add on then have no BC at all. I have my 360, but don't have enough plugs and would rather not switch plugs every time I wanna play something old.

 

[Seance]

This will be next gen's HDDVD player addon

But GAF told me that BC is super important!

 

[The Adder]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial

Hmm...

 

[Bsigg12]

The phrasing in that part is kind of strange: they underlined it when they already said it's like this gen. It was unnecessary. I've already expressed my opinion on the matter:



Still, not that I think about it: isn't releasing a brand new Xbox with Apple TV functions at 149$ alongside Durango that will have those Apple TV functions at a much bigger price...a sort of giant obstacle for Durango's initial sales?

I think the dual console launch for the Durango will be for 2 things. The mini will focus heavily on media where as Microsoft at the start will make the Durango a very games oriented machine. They can both do the same thing, tv features, games, but the Durango is all new tech and with it a push for new IPs on the games front.

Market the Mini to households who want a simple way for getting movies, tv, music and 360 games for cheap. Market the Durango as a next gen system fueled by huge new titles. It covers all potential buys for Microsoft.

 

[shandy706]

So PS4 requires always online to play BC and 720 doesn't. Crazy.

I actually hadn't thought about that...hmmmm

 

[Karma]

Super cheap 360 is going to do very well this Xmas.

 

[Takuya]

I actually hadn't thought about that...hmmmm

What's there to think about?

Both don't provide BC.

If you want to play disc based 360 games, you need to buy the 360mini (which is essentially a 360), I don't even consider this being BC. And that's $150 on top.

 

[Elixist]

ya i dint think that MS would want to feed Sony free bullet points for the ps4. all the sudden they forgot how to compete? lol. the 150$ 360 that adds bc seems pretty smart as well, if only the apps and stuff were free, otherwise meh.

 

[Anteater]

This sounds like a great idea, if 720 does have all the features and services ps4 has like streaming, it could potentially mean you could stream your old games too right?

Depend on the size it might be better than hooking up a ps3 and 4, but there's also the fact you need to buy the system again too of course.

 

[MVP]

stop making me wait Microsoft!

 

[watership]

Don't be silly. You're still supposed to hate Microsoft.

May is going to be BRUTAL here.

 

[ezekielpacman]

My position is only confusing to those who can't see the bigger picture.

One of the burdens of your clairvoyance is a propensity for buying duplicate shit?

OK.

 

[perineumlick]

I'll take Durango.

If the mini has no disk drive, won't you have to re-buy your old games also? If that's the case, why would I get rid of my 360?

 

[Bsigg12]

This sounds like a great idea, if 720 does have all the features and services ps4 has like streaming, it could potentially mean you could stream your old games too right?

As long as the Durango UI is capable of running on top of everything at all times, then yes if Microsoft has streaming/video recording planned.

 

[szaromir]

Market the Mini to households who want a simple way for getting movies, tv, music and 360 games for cheap. Market the Durango as a next gen system fueled by huge new titles. It covers all potential buys for Microsoft.

Yeah, I think it's going to cost $99. 360 was $199 in 2008; 5 years and two die shrinks and removed optical drive later they surely can cut $100?

 

[Anteater]

If the mini has no disk drive, won't you have to re-buy your old games also? If that's the case, why would I get rid of my 360?

I would assume you use the disc drive on your 720

 

[BlazingDarkness]

If the mini has no disk drive, won't you have to re-buy your old games also? If that's the case, why would I get rid of my 360?

No, the 360 discs go in the Durango disc drive.

 

[Takuya]

I would assume you use the disc drive on your 720

So why bother giving Microsoft $150 when you can already play your games by putting your disc in the 360?

 

[shandy706]

What's there to think about?

Both don't provide BC.

If you want to play disc based 360 games, you need to buy the 360mini (which is essentially a 360), I don't even consider this being BC. And that's $150 on top.

He was taking a shot at people saying they'd buy a PS4, but not a 360 due to "always online".

In this case, you would HAVE to be online to play BC games through Gakai on PS4. You would theoretically be able to play your BC 360 games without Internet.

He was making an ironic post.

 

[Anteater]

So why bother giving Microsoft $150 when you can already play your games by putting your disc in the 360?

You don't lol, you keep your 360.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

What's there to think about?

Both don't provide BC.

If you want to play disc based 360 games, you need to buy the 360mini (which is essentially a 360), I don't even consider this being BC. And that's $150 on top.

Or lower. I can see it being $99 at launch, if not, shortly after. The costs on the mini must be pretty low, so they will probably have a lot of room to manoeuvre on price.

One of the burdens of your clairvoyance is a propensity for buying duplicate shit?

OK.

That's only one viewpoint/opinion. You're free to hold it, but it's not accurate to describe how I see this mini console and its functionality.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

So why bother giving Microsoft $150 when you can already play your games by putting your disc in the 360?

The new XBOX Mini will have all the TV box functionality in there, so it won't be entirely useless without the Durango.

 

[Foil]

So I assume this won't improve BC for Xbox 1 titles, and it will remain the same as it was on the 360?

 

[cpp_is_king]

Doesn't change anything for me even if true, because having a Kinect device plugged in order to use the console is a bigger deal breaker to me than always online requirement.

 

[szaromir]

So why bother giving Microsoft $150 when you can already play your games by putting your disc in the 360?

Convenience? You can sell your own 360/give it to your nephew/whatever else.

 

[Lynn616]

Yea it is isn't it? Durango requires a 360, to play 360 games. Crazy!!

I am just joking around but it would be nice to put my 360 games in the 720 and they work even if it requires a stand alone Xbox mini connected. One interface and one connection. I would sell my current 360 and get the Xbox mini for sure.

 

[Takuya]

The new XBOX Mini will have all the TV box functionality in there, so it won't be entirely useless without the Durango.

So will the Durango..

 

[BlazingDarkness]

He was taking a shot at people saying they'd buy a PS4, but not a 360 due to "always online".

In this case, you would HAVE to be online to play BC games through Gakia on PS4. You would theoretically be able to play your BC 360 games without Internet.

He was making an ironic post.

We don't know this yet, you might need persistent internet to connect the XBOX Mini with the Durango (in order to play 360 games.)

 

[Doffen]

What's there to think about?

Both don't provide BC.

If you want to play disc based 360 games, you need to buy the 360mini (which is essentially a 360), I don't even consider this being BC. And that's $150 on top.

Or lower.

$99 seems more possible since it will be a competing product to Apple TV.

 

[Dai101]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial

Hmm...

Welp... there goes my productive day

 

[BlazingDarkness]

So will the Durango..

And the Durango will cost 3X the price. The XBOX Mini will no doubt primarily be sold as a TV device, the BC will just be an added benefit for Durango owners. Remember, MS want to take control over your living room.

 

[oVerde]

Xbox Mini is awesome for me, as I can keep playing my disc library, give my actual x360 to my girlfriend play her XBLAs favorites and won't need to buy another x360 just a small box to work along my Durango.

 

[Beer Monkey]

We don't know this yet, you might need persistent internet to connect the XBOX Mini with the Durango (in order to play 360 games.)

Why would they do that?

If they were going to arbitrarily force internet they could do that with the Durango across the board.

A lone Mini of course would need internet because there is literally no other way to get games in it. Hence the 'online only' console.

 

[Rolf NB]

The only way to play 360 discs is to have BOTH the XBOX Mini and the Durango.

599$

 

[dragonbane]

Possibly. I'm not discounting the fact that they will, but rather the impetus might not as strong as we'd like to believe.

You don't have to worry. Sony will keep the PS3 alive as long as people somewhere in the world are buying it. We know from experience that they don't discontinue their predecessor even when the successor has a terrible launch (PS2-PS3, PSP-PSV).

Since third partys are releasing all their games on PS3 too for the near future, Sony would be dumb to drop it. It is the same as Microsoft really. When the time comes that no one buys a Xbox Mini anymore, do you think Microsoft will continue to produce it?

 

[perineumlick]

No, the 360 discs go in the Durango disc drive.

So I put my old games in my new Durango, but I need a mini to play them.
Hope my 360 can hold out for a couple more years.

 

[tkscz]

Normally I believe VGleaks, but for this one I'll wait to hear it from the horse's mouth. Hey, maybe MS heard the internet flip and changed it's mind.