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[Evlar]

The degree of cognitive dissonance on display here is breathtaking.

1) They're Muslim
2) Preliminary signs point to radical Islamist motivations
3) They're not Tea Partyists or Survivalists
4) Self-delusion doesn't make this go away
5) This isn't racism

We have LOTS of information about these men already. We know their names. We know where they were born. We know their hobbies.

So for CNN to say the following:

1) We don't know anything, but
2) We know they were Muslim

is just flat Jingoism. The first statement is patently false. The second statement is cherry-picking from the available information we have, as though that's all that needs to be said.

I don't think you know what "cognitive dissonance" means.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

Anyone got pics of naked dude? I want to tease this bodybuilder guy I know who lives close to there.

 

[Tawpgun]

So eerily quiet here in the city

 

[Vire]

To be honest I'm surprised they haven't found the bastard yet.

Hundreds if not thousands of military personel are on scene in the area of Watertown.

 

[phosphor112]

Why is that guy still allowed to preach?

You mean breathe?

 

[Wes]

Suicide vest warning.

Quite clear the authorities main concern is that he could be wanting to find the largest group of people possible just as much as he could be trying to purely escape.

 

[Anton668]

trigger found on suspect #1

 

[mrrams]

Recent picture

 

[Jay Sosa]

Rifle bullets can go through bricks. Unless Jay Sosa is suggesting every wall in Europe is made of a thick layer of solid concrete or something.

I doubt that handgun or even rifle bullets can go through bricks. Judging by the pics those weren't high caliber.

 

[NEO0MJ]

The race of Muslims? Please take that shit elsewhere.

I'm pretty sure most people, especially in the US, differentiate between muslim and middle eastern.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Well, at least he looks good naked.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

who else do they have in custody what is this about the vest and trigger?

 

[Tom_Cody]

Crazy article about the dead suspect:

http://deadspin.com/heres-everything-we-know-about-tamerlan-tsarnaev-the-476415081

 

[Edag Plata]

So wait a minute...how did the naked guy get taken into custody, then randomly ends up in a gun fight with police, shot in the chair, then dead in the street and run over by his brother?

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

Rifle bullets can go through bricks. Unless Jay Sosa is suggesting every wall in Europe is made of a thick layer of solid concrete or something.

Is that true? I always though my brick walls could sustain gunfire.

 

[sangreal]

who else do they have in custody what is this about the vest and trigger?

Believe they're talking about the dead guy. Was reported to have had explosives on his body -- possibly detonated

 

[cicero]

Simplifying the perpetrators to, literally, nameless members of a minority. Unstated implications that it's the collective properties of that minority that explain the crimes.

It's pretty blatant jingoism.

Except that simply stating what religion or ethnicity they are ISN'T inherently simplifying or reducing them down to stereotypes which are then being used to represent the collective properties of that minority. You are tilting at windmills that haven't even been put up yet. It is ridiculous to demand that all conversations be restricted from mentioning obvious in-context facts about ongoing events. Which is exactly what is happening when all such conversations or references are immediately, or preemptively, labeled as "jingoism" or "racist" or "islamaphobic" etc.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

So wait a minute...how did the naked guy get taken into custody, then randomly ends up in a gun fight with police, shot in the chair, then dead in the street and run over by his brother?

Naked guy was a random suspect that they stripped down and later released.

 

[Riggs]

Innocent guy right? Least he is a buff bro. I would be so fat and ashamed if that was me naked.

 

[JoseOle5990]

So wait a minute...how did the naked guy get taken into custody, then randomly ends up in a gun fight with police, shot in the chair, then dead in the street and run over by his brother?

Nude Dude is completely unrelated.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon/73711421

more recent picture of the joker

So the names yesterday were wrong?

 

[lenovox1]

Boston police scanner saying something about a suicide vest? Was that reported on?

His brother had one that wasn't widely reported. The police assumed that he had one, too, according to the scanner stuff.

 

[Talon]

Islam is highly decentralized. It's the exact opposite of how the major Christian religions organize themselves. There is no hierarchy to promote or repress any dogma. It is literally the most 'of the people' / democratic of the Abrahamic religions.

Protestantism is just as decentralized. It's how we get everything from the UCOC that is extremely progressive to the insanely fundamental (he of the effigy of the President).

Certain denominations such as Lutheran, Baptists, etc. have at the very least a regional chain of command, but there's little doctrinal governance at the local level. Sort of the point of American Protestantism is self-discovery of the word, for better or worse.

 

[astroturfing]

i'm confused about the naked guy, how does he fit in all of this? edit: NVM

fuck, the second suspect might be strapped with explosives... i hope a sniper gets him before he causes any damage. probably no chance getting him alive :/

 

[cdyhybrid]

I doubt that handgun or even rifle bullets can go through bricks. Judging by the pics those weren't high caliber.

Police said over the scanner they had rifles. And the law enforcement obviously does as well.

 

[Gruso]

All officers warned to beware of possible suicide vest if approaching suspect. Previous guy had some kind of trigger on him.

 

[acheron_xl]

Recent picture

Chechen Bob Dylan?

 

[Anton668]

who else do they have in custody what is this about the vest and trigger?

suspect was wearing some kind of device and they found the/a trigger. suspect #2 is believed to be wearing a "suicide vest" approach with caution

 

[bomb]

2 hours: Over/Under on how long it takes to find and kill the other suspect. I am going under.

 

[F!ReW!Re]

***
Joseph Stuhr ‏@JpDeathBlade
Boston Update: Trigger found, all units use extreme caution!
***

https://twitter.com/JpDeathBlade

 

[Smiles and Cries]

with the vest warning this kid is dead

 

[FieryBalrog]

We have LOTS of information about these men already. We know their names. We know where they were born. We know their hobbies.

So for CNN to say the following:

1) We don't know anything, but
2) We know they were Muslim

is just flat Jingoism.

Nah.

The second statement is cherry-picking from the available information we have, as though that's all that needs to be said.

What did you want them to say, "we know their hobbies"? Guess what, their religion is the most salient fact about them right now, whether or not you really wish it wasn't.

 

[Dastardly Jerks]

White hat is gonna be killed on sight.

 

[Edag Plata]

Naked guy was a random suspect that they stripped down and later released.

Nude Dude is completely unrelated.

So what? Just a random drunk naked dude who looked suspicious because he was drunk and naked or something?

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

I blame CNN for the perpetuation of this naked guy crap.

 

[GavinGT]

Crazy article about the dead suspect:

http://deadspin.com/heres-everything-we-know-about-tamerlan-tsarnaev-the-476415081

LOL, he liked the movie Borat. Guy was sort of a character.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

They keep talking about the area near Northeastern on the scanner. Is this related?

 

[Skab]

Shia Labeouf to play Suspect #2 in the movie version.

 

[witness]

2 hours: Over/Under on how long it takes to find and kill the other suspect. I am going under.

I fear over.

 

[mrrams]

So the names yesterday were wrong?

seems so, catchup shows now Russian (or chechnya), and not the Sanli kid

 

[Gustav]

Wonder where BPD had that Mulugeta name from.

 

[LanceVance]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AKitz/media/grid?idx=0&tid=325214849426673665

Twitter guy right upstairs from the shoot out, took a fuck ton of pics.

Holy crap picture 17 and 18 are crazy!

 

[darkazcura]

Sooo..just wondering..wouldn't you guys actually consider this a domestic attack? It seems like they have been here for years, and I'm guessing the younger one has a good chance at being a full U.S. citizen.

 

[maquiladora]

All officers warned to beware of possible suicide vest if approaching suspect. Previous guy had some kind of trigger on him.

Explains why they want everyone in Boston to stay indoors now, he may try and take a group of people out along with him.

 

[F!ReW!Re]

White hat is gonna be killed on sight.

They want him alive for questioning, shoot to kill is last resort I think...

 

[Pineconn]

I blame CNN for the perpetuation of this naked guy crap.

I blame CNN for just about everything negative coming from this story. They've been awful. Sticking to Fox News.

 

[Riggs]

2 hours: Over/Under on how long it takes to find and kill the other suspect. I am going under.

2 under, we putting $ on this btw?

 

[Phonomezer]

Is he involved in any way?

 

[Tawpgun]

Would suck if we were on shutdown on a Friday night. Kinda sounds selfish, but its been a stressful week and I want to unwind.

 

[flyover]

Twitter of WBZ reporter

wow

And if you want to listen to WBZ live:
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