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I know this is more worthless arm-chair speculation and naval-gazing, but I've been thinking about what the average person would do to avoid being apprehended by such a huge force for so long.

I would be caught immediately, I can't think of anywhere I would try to go to hide-out that wouldn't be the first place to look (my house) or some random place that wouldn't offer any long-term shelter.

I doubt this suspect has planned his escape to the level that it might appear.
I think what's more likely is the police are taking every precaution necessary to ensure no one else is hurt.
 
~Devil Trigger~ said:
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It makes me a bit angry that there are such ignorant people in the world. But better to not pay any attention to them I guess.
 
So, what would happen if last night he threw himself into the Charles and drifted off to sea? That would be the ultimate way to create terror, right? We might never find the body, so if his end goal involved suicide, he could prevent us from getting closure.
 
Dark FaZe said:
Doubt this is true but even if it were the eggheads of the FBI are just going to set a grid. Simple math can determine how far even the fastest car on a highway without cars could go between last night and now, and they'll use that information to slowly search that area.
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OK. So at an average speed of say, 50 MPH you can drive 700 miles in 14 hours. So a 700 mile radius means a bit over 1.5 million square miles, in one of the most densely populated parts of the United States.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Lol I didn't say that. You chase him when you get a lead, but when they have no idea where he is you don't go searching every fucking house like the British Army circa 1775.
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They set up a perimeter and believed he was inside it. Of course they are going to search every house.
 
As the father of a newborn child, I can't imagine how the father must be feeling right now. To bring up 2 seemingly-well adjusted kids and then suddenly have to deal with this horror. Like Uncle mentioned, the kids have indeed brought shame to the family, and the Chechen people. To have that bearing down on you...
 
wsippel said:
It doesn't work, though. Because it actually sends a very different message: You build a shoddy bomb and kill three civilians, we'll panic for a week and blow millions of dollars pursuing you. That's the message - and that's exactly what terrorists want. The term "terrorist" already implies it.
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Additionally all the big news coverage.

That's what the message is. Do little work and get a big fat "reward" (lots and lots of panic, millions of dollars wasted and having big news coverage). And that's what terrorists want. And you can't even win against this strategy directly. Last time airport security increased to the max, this time it's something completely different. Did all the surveillance cameras help? Not really. Definitely not for stopping anyone from doing it. Maybe helped a bit for finding people after it happened. But I guess all the personal recordings had better quality and were way more helpful.
 
Nether! said:
I know this is more worthless arm-chair speculation and naval-gazing, but I've been thinking about what the average person would do to avoid being apprehended by such a huge force for so long.

I would be caught immediately, I can't think of anywhere I would try to go to hide-out that wouldn't be the first place to look (my house) or some random place that wouldn't offer any long-term shelter.

I doubt this suspect has planned his escape to the level that it might appear.
I think what's more likely is the police are taking every precaution necessary to ensure no one else is hurt.
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If he planned his escape well he would have been in South America by now and not still hanging around Boston.
 
Loxley said:
I think any "plan" these idiots had went to shit the instant they robbed that 7/11 and then killed that MIT security guard. As a result, one of them was killed and now the other is running for his pathetic little life.
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It seems they didn't rob it. The plan went to shit when their pictures were made public. I dunno what led to them killing the MIT cop, he hadn't even unholstered his gun, maybe they were getting paranoid at that stage.
 
KHarvey16 said:
What should have been the response?
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No idea. Something less drastic and more secretive? Not releasing photos for example? I don't know. But looking at what happened in Boston over the last 48 hours or something, if I was a terrorist leader, I'd be rubbing my hands.
 
I had to step away to do some work, but is the FBI at your door/weed stash discussion still on? That deserves a thread. We had a fire in my building and I was thinking about that recently.
 
Evlar said:
I think that's pretty condescending.
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I think it's an accurate description of the knowledge reflected in your comments. You don't see how this scenario is a little unique compared to the unibomber and the olympic bomber? Not even a little? I can't imagine your inability to identify the differences being due to anything other than ignorance.
 
faceless007 said:
No, they're necessary. Internet detectives acted rashly and irresponsibly and screwed up the investigation in their zeal to pass themselves off as helpful. They need to be called out and that behavior needs to be curbed.
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How did people speculating and being wrong "screw up the investigation"? Seems to me like the investigators did a fucking awesome job of figuring out who these cunts are. People on reddit playing batman have zero effect on the real police.
 
wsippel said:
It doesn't work, though. Because it actually sends a very different message: You build a shoddy bomb and kill three civilians, we'll panic for a week and blow millions of dollars pursuing you. That's the message - and that's exactly what terrorists want. The term "terrorist" already implies it.
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So either you go all out and treat acts of terror as important, which you say terrorists want, or you treat their acts of terror as not being as important, which wouldn't be seen by terrorists as a direct sign of weakness, why exactly? How does that not fit their aims to commit acts of terror, and then have a weak response to those acts, allowing them to escape or commit further acts because there wasn't a widespread response?

Your standard for official responses to terrorism is pathetic, weak, and would embolden those seeking to use it to further their agendas because it is so obviously a sign of weakness and uncertainty.
 
Just to give some of the non-Americans a sense of scale, the greater Boston metropolitan area is about 12,000 kilometers squared. It contains about 4.5 million people.
 
bangai-o said:
i havent kept up with all the news. but saying terrorist won by creating terror within everybody is not flying with me either. im sure everyone still went to work this morning to the jobs they hate. schools maybe cancelled since its a friday anyway. i am not there though. so i dont know.
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Technically the terrorists won the moment the bombs exploded and killed and mutilated people.

So the argument "we are letting the terrorists win" doesn't really hold any water, because if we are not gonna do anything that would let them "win", we cannot do anything after the bombs exploded.
 
Ace Harding said:
OK. So at an average speed of say, 50 MPH you can drive 700 miles in 14 hours. So a 700 mile radius means a bit over 1.5 million square miles, in one of the most densely populated parts of the United States.
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If he is alive, he will be caught / killed. He isn't going to be able to cross a border, gets on a plane, board a ship, walk down the street, OR GO ANYWHERE without being noticed. He's fuck'd no matter where he is.
 
thcsquad said:
So, what would happen if last night he threw himself into the Charles and drifted off to sea? That would be the ultimate way to create terror, right? We might never find the body, so if his end goal involved suicide, he could prevent us from getting closure.
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He'd never make it to the harbor. He'd was up on the shore within the city. Too many turns from their location and the harbor.
 
Mysterious said:
Wait... I'm confused. So the 7/11 incident wasn't related to them?! What about the MIT incident? Why was there a shootout last night then?
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They did kill the cop at MIT. That is confirmed. I am unsure about their tie to 7/11. They were in some convenience store buying stuff. May not have been related to the robbery.
 
What I don't understand is how law enforcement were in a foot pursuit with the suspect (meaning they were extremely close to him) but then lost him and decided to basically give up and wait until daylight before continuing the search.

Why not just bring in a bunch of K9 units, SWAT with nightvision, and helicopters with search lights to that area and try to find him immediately while they were still hot on his trail? They had a huge advantage at that time.

They basically gave him a headstart to escape and/or plan something new and they seemingly have no idea where he is now - a house, car, subway... And if he's holed up in a house now it's most likely a hostage situation which seems much more dangerous than just trying to catch him while he was running through the streets.
 
Flo_Evans said:
How did people speculating and being wrong "screw up the investigation"? Seems to me like the investigators did a fucking awesome job of figuring out who these cunts are. People on reddit playing batman have zero effect on the real police.
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some of their friends said that they thought it was him but everyone was saying it was sunil so they never thought about calling in
 
Flo_Evans said:
How did people speculating and being wrong "screw up the investigation"? Seems to me like the investigators did a fucking awesome job of figuring out who these cunts are. People on reddit playing batman have zero effect on the real police.
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And what about the family of the missing person, having to deal with tens, hundreds of people pointing fingers at them saying "YOURE RELATED TO A TERRORIST" "I HOPE YOUR SON DIES" and so forth?
 
mightynine said:
Uh, that is EXACTLY what you do. The neighborhood is a lead.
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Yeah all I'm saying is you setup check points, encourage the people in the neighborhood to leave if they can, search their vehicles on the way out.

With the people gone, you can infrared scan the neighborhood and find him fast.
 
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