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[LyleLanley]

why are we having a long protracted argument over hypothetical rights violations at this moment in time? christ.

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[neoism]

Any decent human being would co-operate with the law enforcement. Unless of course, you have something to hide.

As far as I'm concerned, when there's a terrorist running around armed with long guns and explosives, police can come and search my home all they want. It's really not a big deal -- I'm on their side; I'm helping them however I can. Boston PD at least.

Sounds to me like your helping them waste more time... Guess I would be the first to say no and probably get arrested for it on the spot... why should you trust them when you could say I do not hold terrorists in my home, I'm on your side no need to waste time here.. you think they will believe you LOL. Trust should come both ways. Why even ask if they aspect a yes every time...so they wont look bad... I think they've done a hell of a lot better than the LAPD and that clutterfuck....but seeing that picture of the shot desk chair it could and still get worse, I hope not though.

 

[Wthermans]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exigent_circumstance_in_United_States_law

Exigent circumstance only applies for specific residences/buildings. This systematic clearing of entire blocks of the city does not fall under the exigent circumstance doctrine.

 

[Xanadu]

I know! What happened, right? I liked the guys we were hanging with then.

the MURICANS awoke

 

[Riggs]

Dude is still missing in action.

What the fuck? He was never in that house I am guessing, wow very surprised I did not wake up to see he was dead or caught. This is crazy.

 

[Parch]

People actually protesting about their civil rights in a situation like this?

It's almost as crazy as the hyperbole.

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

What's this about a note on the scanner?

 

[MIMIC]

Blitzer about to interview suspects' father

 

[GAMERG0D]

Wolf Blitzer is to interview the Father of the suspect shortly.

 

[strobogo]

Has he focused much on the saying Boston was now under a police state and martial law? It wouldn't surprise me if his take away from this is that everyone should have a gun because of how quickly military/FBI mobilized. He'll probably call this a frame job and training exercise.

He actually didn't focus that much on police state, which surprised me. He touched on it and was kind of flippant about it, but didn't go crazy like you'd expect. He really spent most of the show bitching about how Bill O'Reily shit on him last night, news paper comics depicted him as a rat, and that Facebook wasn't allowing people to post Info Wars links because they were "spammy or dangerous links". His take away from this entire thing is that the MSM are silencing him and his supporters. Not that some dudes were playing a LEGO Batman car stage over night and 3 people are dead and hundreds injured.

 

[WinFonda]

Because I don't allow strangers in my home. And since this is America, that is enough of a reason (especially since systematically searching multiple blocks does not fall under the hot pursuit doctrine). This search is bordering on martial law and despite the intentions (the road to hell is paved with good intentions), anyone who respects the Fourth Amendment should be wary.

IBhatejustlikePatriotActdefenders

Strangers? lol, what? they identify themselves and are publicly accountable figures.

And dude, you can deny permission. Then they'll get a warrant. That's legal.

 

[dc89]

Because I don't allow strangers in my home. And since this is America, that is enough of a reason (especially since systematically searching multiple blocks does not fall under the hot pursuit doctrine). This search is bordering on martial law and despite the intentions (the road to hell is paved with good intentions), anyone who respects the Fourth Amendment should be wary.

IBhatejustlikePatriotActdefenders

welp. Clash of cultures and opinions here I guess, but I personally wouldn't want to hamper the effort here. Those guys are potentially risking their lives and If I can help them by making their job a little easier, I would.

They'd be back, they'd get dat warrant real quick. And then they'd make you feel awkward as fuck.

 

[Partial Gamification]

This thread had nicer people in it during the AM hours.

There is a lot of sleeplessness and stress floating around. Its likely just a way to vent frustration with the situation, at least I tell myself that when I delete my responses before posting.

 

[ElFly]

So which trumps liberty: Bombs? Dead cops? What specifically is your test case here?

Bro, are you really arguing that these specific two bombers on the run are not an immediate danger to the community. The ones that have bombs on them. The ones that already killed a cop.

It has already been shown that cops can legally enter if there's an immediate danger to the community.

Let it go, there's no rights being violated here.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Yeah that definitely happened last night. They even had stupid gifs going back and forth between his photos and suspect 2. It was so stupid.

How is some of us GAFers comparing a photo of him to the suspect the same as aping his family and accusing them of having a terrorist son? Don't tar us all with the same brush.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Is this on the sister old news? I only just saw it...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...s-out-im-hurt-for-everyone-who-has-been-hurt/

Wow, hounding the family less than 24hrs after their identity has been revealed. Also shocked by the tone and aggressiveness of the questioning by the "reporters".

Also having to point out they are not Muslim. What a sorry state of affairs.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Wolf Blitzer is to interview the Father of the suspect shortly.

Get ready for some of the most mindless questions you will ever hear

 

[HeySeuss]

If they're operating under the hot pursuit exception they won't ask. If they ask, you can refuse. Has anyone refused?

Hot pursuit no longer exists when the suspect is out of sight. It then becomes fresh pursuit, which doesn't allow for a warrantless home search. I think this falls under the Patriot Act or exigent circumstances.

 

[KHarvey16]

So which trumps liberty: Bombs? Dead cops? What specifically is your test case here?

What liberty is being trumped? You can be confined to your home if there's a gas leak. You can be told to leave your home if there's a storm. I'm sitting in Boston right now and I'm free to go outside and buy a sandwich if I want. Watertown is the site of an active investigation. Whose liberties are being violated?

 

[DietRob]

At this point I think it's reasonable to assume he's somewhere with a gun in his mouth and a hole in the back of his head.

 

[Tamanon]

What's this about a note on the scanner?

Some sort of note posted to a hospital sign....

 

[BigDug13]

Doesn't the Patriot Act basically give law enforcement free rein to do whatever they want when a terrorism act has been performed? I don't think they need warrants due to the nature of the suspect.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Guys, this isn't Martial Law. Your rights are still in tact. You should have e dry right to refuse police searches on your private home if that is how you feel and you have no reason to be suspected or have a warrant. I'd certainly encourage people to help the police by complying as much as you are comfortable with, but rights still give you that option. The acts of the few shouldn't destroy the rights of the many.

Yep. By all means help them, and it is indeed the correct thing to do, but don't do it "because you have nothing to hide", do it because you want to help.

 

[Devolution]

How is some of us GAFers comparing a photo of him to the suspect the same as aping his family and accusing them of having a terrorist son? Don't tar us all with the same brush.

I meant people made those and then they were posted here. It certainly didn't help. Then some of those same people called those of us who didn't buy it "idiots."

 

[sangreal]

Wolf Blitzer is to interview the Father of the suspect shortly.

"Are you going to run in the marathon next year?"

 

[Wthermans]

How would you act if this affected your family personally? Would you be a true Patriot(tm) and deny them entry? LOL I'd bet you'd be the first one to call/help the cops if it did.

I smell bullshit, tough-guy internet syndrome.

I'm not trying to help the cops find this guy, I'm not trying to stop them. I'm a bystander watching the circus. It's illogical that the victim's family wouldn't assist police in any way and it's illogical to expect all bystanders to forego their fourth amendment rights when it's unnecessary.

 

[cicero]

Terrorism is evil. Saying a human being himself is evil or insane carries a lot of gravitas. You don't have to be either to murder people.

No, you don't have to be insane or evil to murder. But his "utterly senseless" and deranged acts of terror against innocents ARE insane and evil acts. I don't find it legitimate to reduce his so called "monochrome" comments down to something based on a manichaean proposition. Which is what you seemed to do with the whole "monochrome" reference. Am I wrong?

 

[alr1ght]

Intelligence: no ties to al qaeda or any of its affiliated groups

- CNN

CNN's reputation has been hurt forever.

 

[MaritalWheat]

What's this about a note on the scanner?

Yeah what? Note posted to hospital sign?

 

[Phreaker]

Doesn't the Patriot Act basically give law enforcement free rein to do whatever they want when a terrorism act has been performed? I don't think they need warrants due to the nature of the suspect.

Can the Police Search My Home for a Bomber? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ertown_door_to_door_search_by_police_for.html

 

[Ace Harding]

Guys, this isn't Martial Law. Your rights are still in tact. You should have e dry right to refuse police searches on your private home if that is how you feel and you have no reason to be suspected or have a warrant. I'd certainly encourage people to help the police by complying as much as you are comfortable with, but rights still give you that option. The acts of the few shouldn't destroy the rights of the many.

I hope there is that one guy in Watertown that tries to say "Hey sir, I KNOW my rights! I don't have to let you in unless..."

He wouldn't get out that sentence before somebody jacked his ass on the floor, broke his glasses, and had him in cuffs while half a dozen guys searched his entire home.

This is not the time to try to exercise your rights. What would be the purpose?

 

[akira28]

Their aims of catching the guy coincide with my own. So I would allow them to search my house.

It's not like they're going to look in the cabinet above the fridge where you keep your water pipe and smoking utensils.
I suppose if someone really objected, they could get a warrant, and search anyway like the law states.

I hope there is that one guy in Watertown that tries to say "Hey sir, I KNOW my rights! I don't have to let you in unless..."

He wouldn't get out that sentence before somebody jacked his ass on the floor, broke his glasses, and had him in cuffs while half a dozen guys searched his entire home.

This is not the time to try to exercise your rights. What would be the purpose?

this is wrong though.

 

[oneils]

Exigent circumstance only applies for specific residences/buildings. This systematic clearing of entire blocks of the city does not fall under the exigent circumstance doctrine.

That link says there is no litmus test for the circumstances. So I think there is an argument to be made that since the guy was strapped with explosives police thought the risk of him taking hostages might be exigent enough to search house-to-house. It would have to be tested in court, I guess.

 

[nicoga3000]

Boston pd said they didnt

Cool, thanks.

 

[Winterfang]

welp. Clash of cultures and opinions here I guess, but I personally wouldn't want to hamper the effort here. Those guys are potentially risking their lives and If I can help them by making their job a little easier, I would.

They'd be back, they'd get dat warrant real quick. And then they'd make you feel awkward as fuck.

Not only that but being on high alert all the time, It must be exhausting.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Oh boy. RT @luke_johnson: Graham: "It sure would be nice to have a drone up there" http://t.co/4Ye57kJbcA

 

[GAMERG0D]

Press Conference @ 5:30 ET via CNN

 

[smokeymicpot]

Get ready for some of the most mindless questions you will ever hear

First question is gonna be are you or are you not the father of the two suspects.

 

[Buddha Beam]

If he didn't know there was a bomb, why did he not get his own face blown off? Why did he walk away from the book bag? "Hey bro, mind walking with me with this heavy bookbag with a pressure cooker where you can hear nails and ballbearings rattling around inside it and there's a circuitboard in it too and then leaving it at the marathon and then calming walking away without being surprised if say an explosion happened but don't worry it's not a bomb?"

And then after the bomb went off he immediately said "Welp, I'm hosed, I'll just pretend nothing happened for a few days and not reach out to my loved ones or even leave a hint that there's a crack in my facade and then go on a crime spree and throw grenades at cops"

I'll be the first to admit it's a very likely not the case here... He apparently is a huge stoner, so who knows? Maybe he was high as a kite and wasn't much into questioning it. Maybe he didn't know what was in there and trusted his brother implicitly. Perhaps he was told they'll come back for the bag in a minute and walked off.

Just based on what we know, it seems like we're missing a huge piece of the picture here. He almost certainly isn't mentally ill. Just going off what we're learning about who he is as a person (at least publicly), I can't exactly blame his parents for thinking this is a setup, you know?

 

[jstripes]

amazing

Wait till they find out that Hitler wasn't German, but Australian.

 

[Kaako]

Just woke up and checked this thread first thing. Sad to hear they still haven't caught him.

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

CNN's reputation has been hurt forever.

Even other mainstream outlets like Slate are noting it. They really screwed up on this Boston thing. I'm sure On the Media will eviscerate them.

 

[BigDug13]

Doesn't the Patriot Act basically give law enforcement free rein to do whatever they want when a terrorism act has been performed? I don't think they need warrants due to the nature of the suspect.

Nevermind I was confused. I think FISA allows them to basically get immediate warrants, but they can't just go in without one.

 

[pulga]

why are we having a long protracted argument over hypothetical rights violations at this moment in time? christ.

Because were on GAF, where people will find a way to bicker over any fucking thing ever conceived.

 

[CaptainZombie]

Don't worry. Soon the PM stalkers will leave

I agree I was enjoying reading this thread earlier in the morning and by afternoon it went to all over the place.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Strangers? lol, what? they identify themselves and are publicly accountable figures.

And dude, you can deny permission. Then they'll get a warrant. That's legal.

On what basis would that warrant be issued? That I have a house in the same town where a terrorist operates? Not really.

 

[Always-honest]

Wait till they find out that Hitler wasn't German, but Australian.

Australian? Haha.
Sieg Heil mate.

Dumb and dumber, right?

 

[-SD-]

Wait till they find out that Hitler wasn't German, but Austrian.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Pikma]

Wait till they find out that Hitler wasn't German, but Australian.

I hope they don't because he wasn't Australian, he was Austrian.

 

[Winterfang]

I hope there is that one guy in Watertown that tries to say "Hey sir, I KNOW my rights! I don't have to let you in unless..."

He wouldn't get out that sentence before somebody jacked his ass on the floor, broke his glasses, and had him in cuffs while half a dozen guys searched his entire home.

This is not the time to try to exercise your rights. What would be the purpose?

You want police brutality to occur, just to prove right your point?