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[MetatronM]

I'll make my self clear. I find the police kicking in doors to search houses without a warrant more terrifying then the bombing. I like I said I hope its not true.

Where was this?

Even if it happened, if there was strong intel and probable cause that the suspect was in a specific home, it wouldn't be a violation of 4th Amendment rights, even if they turned out to be wrong. If they were just doing that citywide because "he's around here somewhere" that would be a violation, but I haven't heard anything like that.

 

[Svafnir]

Agree. It's always more scary to me the potential for law enforcement abuse than random acts of terror.

The bombing was terrible and all, but it killed 4 people. I'm sure many times that died on the nations highways the last few days. It's not something we should be giving up our freedoms for.

Many people lost body limbs and it was a gigantic public event. Not to mention they may have been planning to plant bombs elsewhere, the police searching a couple houses? Yeah not a big deal. I would be completely fine with them "kicking in my door" if it was to stop further acts of violence.

I really really really don't understand the other side of thngs. It's like when someone makes a youtube video of them open carrying a gun and being like "YO POLICE I AM SMART AND KNOW MY RIGHTS" and everyones like "COPS SUCK!"

..... No you have a gun, yes open carry is fine in some states... but come on.... what, that does not make the police officer a bad person for asking some questions.


Also I fly a lot, I am completely fine with the state of air travel.

 

[Neffarias_Bredd]

Nothing confirmed just talk on twitter and a couple of pics. Like I aid I hope its not true

Have you seen interviews with the residents of the town? They couldn't thank the police enough. Everyone was terrified of this crazy armed terrorist running around their neighborhood, the searches clearly made everyone feel safe and protected

 

[speculawyer]

Also why do the police have tanks? I find the show of force more scary then the bombing

It is an armored vehicle. We did go a bit crazy after 9/11 and wasted a shitload of money on security bullshit. I won't blame a major city like Boston for having one but a lot of small towns have things like that when they really don't need them at all. There was federal money made available so they took it.

 

[speculawyer]

Who was the 4th person to die? I know there was the 8-year-old boy, a woman named Krystle, and some Chinese student . . . who was the 4th?

 

[Alucrid]

I agree, also look to see what 911 did to air travel in this county




Oh boy here we go

Sorry for spreading misinformation garnered through twitter. Oh wait.

Also it's precedent. President is the guy taking away your fourth amendment rights.

Who was the 4th person to die? I know there was the 8-year-old boy, a woman named Krystle, and some Chinese student . . . who was the 4th?

Might be mistakenly lumping in the MIT officer into that.

 

[Heel]

Now that the mood is lightened a bit... whipped this up for some hopeful levity in the thread...

I hope no one finds this offensive.. I just wanted to showcase that awesome man of a cop.

#ScannerBros know it should be titled Chasing Ghosts.

 

[deejay8595]

Who was the 4th person to die? I know there was the 8-year-old boy, a woman named Krystle, and some Chinese student . . . who was the 4th?

The MIT Officer

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Who was the 4th person to die? I know there was the 8-year-old boy, a woman named Krystle, and some Chinese student . . . who was the 4th?

MIT police officer.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

Who was the 4th person to die? I know there was the 8-year-old boy, a woman named Krystle, and some Chinese student . . . who was the 4th?

Police officer from the shootout.

 

[specialguy]

Many people lost body limbs and it was a gigantic public event. Not to mention they may have been planning to plant bombs elsewhere, the police searching a couple houses? Yeah not a big deal. I would be completely fine with them "kicking in my door" if it was to stop further acts of violence.

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You want the government to be able to enter and search your house whenever they want with no warrant? You trust them to only use this power when it's for good? Think of the implications of what you're saying.

I really dont want to get into this debate so I'll stop replying.

anyways legally, there are something called hot pursuit exceptions and the like. if cops are chasing somebody, no warrant needed. i'm sure if this stuff happened the police would claim to be operating under such rules. but i'm still very sensitive about our freedoms.

 

[Doctor West]

He just surrendered because he was shot up, bleeding, and scared of death.

He could have surrendered earlier, he chose not to. And he chose to shoot at police.

Thank you.

This piece of fucking shit is nothing but a coward. He only "surrendered" because he was fucked and there was nowhere else to go. Throw him into the darkest hole and paper the walls with the picture of his dead scumbag brother.

 

[Bovadose]

Yeah, they were trying to take away our guns.

The 4th was added because of search and seizure abuse. Get rid of it and the abuse will come back... maybe not right away, but eventually.

You probably wouldn't like the police breaking into your home when you're away or when you're trying to enjoy your time with your family.

 

[WonkyPanda]

Agree. It's always more scary to me the potential for law enforcement abuse than random acts of terror.

The bombing was terrible and all, but it killed 4 people. I'm sure many times that died on the nations highways the last few days. It's not something we should be giving up our freedoms for.

Wait, what? Giving up our freedoms? Does the "exigent circumstances" application bother you? Were you harking about this back during Kentucky v. King? What additional "freedoms" have been relinquished today?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I agree, also look to see what 911 did to air travel in this county




Oh boy here we go

And why shouldn't steps be taken to protect people on our flights, since, you know, countless people were unwilling participants in a suicide bombing that day. What's a little inconvenience to make sure a loved one gets home alive?

This taking away freedom stuff goes way too damn far. I don't like the patriot act either, but if it helps to keep people I care about safe, so be it. We aren't giving up nearly as many rights as people believe we are. The level of government control some folks fear is right around the corner is never going to happen, not in this country, because we wouldn't stand for it.

 

[speculawyer]

Police officer from the shootout.

Thanks. That's right. I was thinking another person from the bombing died but it was the police officer at MIT.

 

[KHarvey16]

You want the government to be able to enter and search your house whenever they want with no warrant? You trust them to only use this power when it's for good? Think of the implications of what you're saying.

I really dont want to get into this debate so I'll stop replying.

They can't enter and search your house whenever they want. They can ask and you can let them in, which is what happened.

 

[empty vessel]

Nothing confirmed just talk on twitter and a couple of pics. Like I aid I hope its not true

The 4th Amendment is typically ignored even in routine cases. In cases like this, there's like a reverse 4th Amendment. I have no idea about anything that happened, but I would assume that no constitutional order was observed whatsoever given the sensationalism on display.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

You want the government to be able to enter and search your house whenever they want with no warrant? You trust them to only use this power when it's for good? Think of the implications of what you're saying.

I really dont want to get into this debate so I'll stop replying.

If it's police entering my house for no reason , then yes I would object. But if a known terrorist who has killed 4 people and injured many more might be in my area then I wouldn't give a shit what the police do.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Agree. It's always more scary to me the potential for law enforcement abuse than random acts of terror.

The bombing was terrible and all, but it killed 4 people. I'm sure many times that died on the nations highways the last few days. It's not something we should be giving up our freedoms for.

this is something uniquely american i think. Most people who see swat teams and a fucking crazed gunman on the loose would say 'fuck yeah have a look in my doghouse swat team guy.

the highly paranoid 'they're out to get me' belief in situations like this is defies logic.

 

[Svafnir]

You want the government to be able to enter and search your house whenever they want with no warrant? You trust them to only use this power when it's for good? Think of the implications of what you're saying.

I really dont want to get into this debate so I'll stop replying.

I agree it's a silly debate, we all have our own sides. But yes them coming into my house for 30 minutes or however long it takes to find out the criminal isn't there.... Who cares? Especially in the case they are looking for someone like these guys. I would do anything to help, I did nothing wrong, my own ego and property are not so important to me that I care at all. I know it's not the principle of "I have nothing to hide". Lots of people value their privacy even if they are perfectly legal citizens... I just don't care.

But yeah no argument, I am just glad they caught the guys and no one else was harmed.

 

[specialguy]

They can't enter and search your house whenever they want. They can ask and you can let them in, which is what happened.

if that's what happened then of course no reasonable person is against that.

 

[Deadbeat]

Thank you.

This piece of fucking shit is nothing but a coward. He only "surrendered" because he was fucked and there was nowhere else to go. Throw him into the darkest hole and paper the walls with the picture of his dead scumbag brother.

If he survives the interrogation hes going through.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Now that the mood is lightened a bit... whipped this up for some hopeful levity in the thread...

I hope no one finds this offensive.. I just wanted to showcase that awesome man of a cop.

 

[marrec]

if that's what happened then of course no reasonable person is against that.

The entire town of Boston was feeling a real sense of camaraderie with the police force the past week, I doubt anyone refused them entry.

 

[Farooq]

Did 61 people really lose their limbs?

I did not know the number was that high...terrible.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Where was this?

Even if it happened, if there was strong intel and probable cause that the suspect was in a specific home, it wouldn't be a violation of 4th Amendment rights, even if they turned out to be wrong. If they were just doing that citywide because "he's around here somewhere" that would be a violation, but I haven't heard anything like that.

Well technically that's what they did. They essentially roped off a neighborhood and started going door to door searching homes. They did not have a specific house they were looking for. But residents seemed to give consent, so it wasn't an issue.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

You want the government to be able to enter and search your house whenever they want with no warrant? You trust them to only use this power when it's for good? Think of the implications of what you're saying.

I really dont want to get into this debate so I'll stop replying.

anyways legally, there are something called hot pursuit exceptions and the like. if cops are chasing somebody, no warrant needed. i'm sure if this stuff happened the police would claim to be operating under such rules. but i'm still very sensitive about our freedoms.

That isn't what happened. They didn't just command people, and if they did, guess what? It was an extreme case in which they were doing it to save lives. You have to consider that there could have been a situation where this guy was inside someone's house holding them or their family hostage. Their saying "everything is fine" is simply not good enough sometimes.

 

[sneakypete]

Agree. It's always more scary to me the potential for law enforcement abuse than random acts of terror.

The bombing was terrible and all, but it killed 4 people. I'm sure many times that died on the nations highways the last few days. It's not something we should be giving up our freedoms for.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Go look up the videos of that shootout last night. Not sure if you can find it, but the police scanner talk was insane. Throwing bombs/ieds at police, automatic pistols, rifles. Then J'sar running through the darkness leaving bombs in his wake.

What else could the police do in that situation?

I went and looked at a couple conspiracy sites.. ugh, so much ignorance and self-delusion out there.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Sorry if this has been posted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22214511

Boston bombing: How internet detectives got it very wrong

I agree...let law enforcement do its job

 

[antonz]

The 4th Amendment is typically ignored even in routine cases. In cases like this, there's like a reverse 4th Amendment. I have no idea about anything that happened, but I would assume that no constitutional order was observed whatsoever given the sensationalism on display.

In cases like watertown we see Exigent Circumstances come into effect which allows for searches like the police performed. I don't know why anyone would be opposed in the first place. Officers were there for one thing and were in and out.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exigent_circumstance_in_United_States_law

 

[empty vessel]

That isn't what happened. They didn't just command people, and if they did, guess what? It was an extreme case in which they were doing it to save lives. You have to consider that there could have been a situation where this guy was inside someone's house holding them or their family hostage. Their saying "everything is fine" is simply not good enough sometimes.

No, just no.

 

[UFRA]

I heard on the radio (620 WTMJ Milwaukee) he was showing up to school after the bombings too, is that correct?

Well hello there from WI.

 

[moop1167]

Now that the mood is lightened a bit... whipped this up for some hopeful levity in the thread...

I hope no one finds this offensive.. I just wanted to showcase that awesome man of a cop.

lol prob had this prepared before the guy was caught.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Did 61 people really lose their limbs?

I did not know the number was that high...terrible.

Yep, that's how crazy it was. Over 61 people lost their legs during that event. Those bombs weren't the most destructive in terms of infrastructure damage, but they were meant to brutalize the body of human beings in close enough proximity, and they did their job well. There was one report that the 8 year old that died might have been split in two, but I have no proof of that.

 

[Fahrenheit]

Where was this?

Even if it happened, if there was strong intel and probable cause that the suspect was in a specific home, it wouldn't be a violation of 4th Amendment rights, even if they turned out to be wrong. If they were just doing that citywide because "he's around here somewhere" that would be a violation, but I haven't heard anything like that.

If they have probable cause phone in for a warrant. Like I said multiple times already it was just talk on twitter and a few phone reports.

Many people lost body limbs and it was a gigantic public event. Not to mention they may have been planning to plant bombs elsewhere, the police searching a couple houses? Yeah not a big deal. I would be completely fine with them "kicking in my door" if it was to stop further acts of violence.

I really really really don't understand the other side of thngs. It's like when someone makes a youtube video of them open carrying a gun and being like "YO POLICE I AM SMART AND KNOW MY RIGHTS" and everyones like "COPS SUCK!"

..... No you have a gun, yes open carry is fine in some states... but come on.... what, that does not make the police officer a bad person for asking some questions.


Also I fly a lot, I am completely fine with the state of air travel.

Well that's you, as an american i treasure my rights. Also why do people keep bring up guns? We are not talking about gun rights here. And your alone on air travel being OK. Its a disgrace and the fact TSA still exists is a spit on the bill of rights

Have you seen interviews with the residents of the town? They couldn't thank the police enough. Everyone was terrified of this crazy armed terrorist running around their neighborhood, the searches clearly made everyone feel safe and protected

If a cop knocks and asks and the home owner says yes then thats fine and great, im talking about unconfirmed reports of kicking in doors.

It is an armored vehicle. We did go a bit crazy after 9/11 and wasted a shitload of money on security bullshit. I won't blame a major city like Boston for having one but a lot of small towns have things like that when they really don't need them at all. There was federal money made available so they took it.

Sure saying tank was a bit of hyperbole but my point still stands, the police should not have that type of gear

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

This thread. lol

 

[Pkaz01]

The entire town of Boston was feeling a real sense of camaraderie with the police force the past week, I doubt anyone refused them entry.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Now that the mood is lightened a bit... whipped this up for some hopeful levity in the thread...

I hope no one finds this offensive.. I just wanted to showcase that awesome man of a cop.

Cop has some great hair.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

If they have probable cause phone in for a warrant. Like I said multiple times already it was just talk on twitter and a few phone reports.




Well that's you, as an american i treasure my rights. Also why do people keep bring up guns? We are not talking about gun rights here. And your alone on air travel being OK. Its a disgrace and the fact TSA still exists is a spit on the bill of rights




If a cop knocks and asks and the home owner says yes then thats fine and great, im talking about unconfirmed reports of kicking in doors.




Sure saying tank was a bit of hyperbole but my point still stands, the police should not have that type of gear

Why?

 

[Maninthemirror]

I bet those Moroccan kids are sleeping well tonight after being hounded on tuesday

 

[Alucrid]

If they have probable cause phone in for a warrant. Like I said multiple times already it was just talk on twitter and a few phone reports.




Well that's you, as an american i treasure my rights. Also why do people keep bring up guns? We are not talking about gun rights here. And your alone on air travel being OK. Its a disgrace and the fact TSA still exists is a spit on the bill of rights




If a cop knocks and asks and the home owner says yes then thats fine and great, im talking about unconfirmed reports of kicking in doors.




Sure saying tank was a bit of hyperbole but my point still stands, the police should not have that type of gear

Air travel is a right?

Why are you talking about reports that may or may not exist? Come back when you actually have some proof.

That equipment sure came in handy this time.

 

[radrelic]

The home to home search spectacle was an overreaction by LEO imo. I couldn't see them pulling something like that off in a pro-gun southern state. They would undoubtedly run into resistance which would cause even more trouble.

 

[Poetaster]

OH MY GOD HE ASSAULTED THAT CHILD!

 

[maniac-kun]

Good morning. Did i miss something in the last 10 hours?

 

[Orochinagis]

So in the end, it was a terrorist attack or just some sociopath ?

 

[NihonTiger90]

That is adorable.

 

[KHarvey16]

The home to home search spectacle was an overreaction by LEO imo. I couldn't see them pulling something like that off in a pro-gun southern state. They would undoubtedly run into resistance which would cause even more trouble.

What? Why?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

This puts it into perspective for me, and why I hope that idiot suffers for what he did. That kid that high fived the officer, it's kids that young which this guy knowingly set out to kill. He saw plenty of kids this young where he pulled that stunt of his, and he didn't care.

 

[SummitAve]

In reality, I doubt that many people know of him. They never rolled his photo on the news. Very few people in reality must have ever seen that thread.

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