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[Fahrenheit]

How is it a waste of money? Would you rather have those two running around bombing innocent people?

Whatever you are implying has to be the most individualistic and selfish thing I have read in a while. Seriously.

How did the tank help find these two dudes again?

I would like to point out that while I am not an expert on this sort of thing, I am pretty sure the police are in the best position to act as first responders in the event of an attack on a big city like Boston. We don't have a very large contingent of National Guard soldiers on call. Most of the Guard guys would typically be at home or work when an attack hit.

It's easy to sit back in your chair and complain about how the police have a military style vehicle, but it's their job to be prepared for emergencies. They can't just buy the APC when they need it and have it show up at their door.

Well they wanna ban AR15s cause they are scary looking military rifles, so why can the police have scary military looking APCs?

 

[Parakeetman]

You mean tank, we prefer to use proper nomenclature in this thread.

ARMORED TRUCK

http://armoredtrucks.com/

Not TANK.

There is a difference.

 

[Quote]

This is how ##bostonspeculation played out for me last night while on the scanner:

<Shots fired in MIT>
Not related...
<Officer down at MIT>
Not related...
<Hijacked car from MIT>
Not related...
<they're throwing grenades out the window!>
Okay, maybe related...

Really glad it worked out. It was impressive seeing that many law enforcement being so coordinated. Though, I really wish news outlets could be 25% as coordinated.

 

[Liberty4all]

It is amazing how people like you both here are constantly insulting others because they make use of their rights. It is absolutely reasonable to not let the police in your house. Personally, if I had a big garden or something like that, they could search this. But certainly not my house. What do you even think, do you believe it makes sense to search my house even after I have agreed to the police to enter my house? Do you think I could be hidding them there? But it's always the same, people giving up their rights as soon as a emotional topic emerges.

I agree.

 

[dc89]

How did the tank help find these two dudes again?

Well they wanna ban AR15s cause they are scary looking military rifles, so why can the police have scary military looking APCs?

Really dude? Really?

I didn't see a tank rolling through Boston.

 

[Trouble]

I would like to point out that while I am not an expert on this sort of thing, I am pretty sure the police are in the best position to act as first responders in the event of an attack on a big city like Boston. We don't have a very large contingent of National Guard soldiers on call. Most of the Guard guys would typically be at home or work when an attack hit.

It's easy to sit back in your chair and complain about how the police have a military style vehicle, but it's their job to be prepared for emergencies. They can't just buy the APC when they need it and have it show up at their door.

SWAT teams have to raid some seriously violent and well armed gangs. Having armored vehicles no doubt saves lives. Is this really being argued against?

 

[Alucrid]

ARMORED TRUCK

http://armoredtrucks.com/

Not TANK.

There is a difference.

Don't get uppity with me bird man.

 

[Parakeetman]

SWAT teams have to raid some seriously violent and well armed gangs. Having armored vehicles no doubt saves lives. Is this really being argued against?

By the ignorant and / or ill informed apparently so...

Ah the internet...

 

[sneakypete]

This is how ##bostonspeculation played out for me last night while on the scanner:

<Shots fired in MIT>
Not related...
<Officer down at MIT>
Not related...
<Hijacked car from MIT>
Not related...
<they're throwing grenades out the window!>
Okay, maybe related...

Really glad it worked out. It was impressive seeing that many law enforcement being so coordinated. Though, I really wish news outlets could be 25% as coordinated.

Same, I was about to close the scanner and go to bed, then I heard someone screaming about explosives.. and then 7 hours later I fell asleep.

 

[hirokazu]

Well this thread certainly went downhill. Perhaps a sign for me to leave and never come back.

 

[Branduil]

What is there to celebrate? Bombs were deployed killing three people and injuring a bunch of others, and then the persons who are alleged to have deployed those bombs were apprehended. I don't understand what there is to celebrate about any of this and it makes me a little sad if this is what society celebrates. It's like tragedy and sensational manhunts are among our highest forms of popular entertainment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharsis

 

[outunderthestars]

Yup wasted, tax money shouldn't be spent on tanks err I mean APC for the city PD being im sure the text books in the city schools are about 10 years out of date.

Instead of ranting, maybe you should spend 60 seconds to look up facts on the matter:

Boston's school district is one of the best funded in the country, ranking in the top 10% for districts their size in terms of dollars spent on student education.

"Per-pupil spending on regular education
Rank: 35 out of 308 districts

Per-pupil spending on special education
Rank: 32 out of 325 districts"

 

[darkazcura]

What is there to celebrate? Bombs were deployed killing three people and injuring a bunch of others, and then the persons who are alleged to have deployed those bombs were apprehended. I don't understand what there is to celebrate about any of this and it makes me a little sad if this is what society celebrates. It's like tragedy and sensational manhunts are among our highest forms of popular entertainment.

Are you serious? You have made some incredibly short sighted and stubborn comments the last couple posts. I'm not even going to bother explaining why it's okay to celebrate the capture of the people who had this city on the fritz since Monday. Oh wait I kind of just did.

It was a celebration of what our police force did. There were hundreds of people cheering the police on as they came back into Boston. It was a great moment, but since you have been all uppity about these searches that people were okay with, I can see why you wouldn't understand.

What an insult. People finally felt okay to travel more than three blocks on the street, and you are asking what is there to celebrate? I mean yeah I was still out and about on campus, but I wasn't going to leave my campus ever until this thing was over. Yeah what is there to celebrate. What the hell

 

[zychi]

I agree.

Dude was in a guy's boat. What if he slipped into a basement of someones house? You wouldnt let police look for him in your house? He was in the boat for almost 12 hours and no one noticed him until the lockdown was lifted.

He couldve been hiding in your sump pump room and you wouldve never known

 

[gohepcat]

It is amazing how people like you both here are constantly insulting others because they make use of their rights. It is absolutely reasonable to not let the police in your house. Personally, if I had a big garden or something like that, they could search this. But certainly not my house. What do you even think, do you believe it makes sense to search my house even after I have agreed to the police to enter my house? Do you think I could be hidding them there? But it's always the same, people giving up their rights as soon as a emotional topic emerges.

It must be that part of me that is an emotionally mature and stable human being who wants to help my community by helping the police find a mass murderer.

If you really want to pretend that you are a compassionate human being while at the same time impeding local law enforcement trying to catch a murderer of an 8 year old. Fine.

 

[Parakeetman]

Dude was in a guy's boat. What if he slipped into a basement of someones house? You wouldnt let police look for him in your house? He was in the boat for almost 12 hours and no one noticed him until the lockdown was lifted.

He couldve been hiding in your sump pump room and you wouldve never known

People would rather fight the power than be rational about things it seems. Still must be the hip and with it thing to do.

 

[Fahrenheit]

Really dude? Really?

Really

SWAT teams have to raid some seriously violent and well armed gangs. Having armored vehicles no doubt saves lives. Is this really being argued against?

Did having APC save anyone in this?

By the ignorant and / or ill informed apparently so...

Ah the internet...

Ah name calling cause you can't make your point

 

[BlastProcessing]

Yup wasted, tax money shouldn't be spent on tanks err I mean APC for the city PD being im sure the text books in the city schools are about 10 years out of date.

 

[grimshawish]

Glad they got him.
How terrifying for the boat owner though!

 

[Fahrenheit]

People would rather fight the power than be rational about things it seems. Still must be the hip and with it thing to do.

People would rather give up there rights then be sane about public safety. Must be the hip thing to do, thinking the government is your mother

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Some people in here would seriously choose not to cooperate with the police search had they been in this situation?

Geez. I'm wondering what planet you people live on. Of all the battles for you to pick, this one? Really?

 

[whitehawk]

Well they wanna ban AR15s cause they are scary looking military rifles, so why can the police have scary military looking APCs?

Because they are police.

 

[Metaphoreus]

If police have proof of you breaking the law, ie drunk driving, SHOOTING A FUCKING RIFLE IN A NEIGHBORDHOOD AT POLICE OR THROWING HOMEMADE BOMBS NEAR A SCHOOL. Theydont have to "read" your miranda rights to you. They can say "you're under arrest, do you understand your rights?" And be done with it. I love how the internet thinks all these texhnicallities will get people off. You think a judge who lives in the area these people tormented gives two shits about "you have the right to remain silent..." Get a fucking clue

If they want to convict you, they need to read you your rights. Or, rather, if they want to convict you and not have that conviction overturned on appeal (by judges who do not live in the area) because some of the evidence used to convict you was obtained in violation of your rights, then they need to read you your rights. These technicalities will get people off, and it's right that they do.

What is there to celebrate? Bombs were deployed killing three people and injuring a bunch of others, and then the persons who are alleged to have deployed those bombs were apprehended. I don't understand what there is to celebrate about any of this and it makes me a little sad if this is what society celebrates. It's like tragedy and sensational manhunts are among our highest forms of popular entertainment.

I think there are at least a few things worth celebrating: (1) the persons who bombed the Boston marathon have been identified; (2) those individuals are no longer at large; (3) one of those persons is still alive, and so can be interrogated and help us understand what happened on Monday. If we were talking about bin Laden's death, I'd agree with you--I don't think there was much to celebrate there, since not much was changed by his death, and I don't think the death of a person is in and of itself worth celebrating. But in this case, I think there's plenty to celebrate, especially for those in Boston who have spent the last week in shock and terror.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Dude was in a guy's boat. What if he slipped into a basement of someones house? You wouldnt let police look for him in your house? He was in the boat for almost 12 hours and no one noticed him until the lockdown was lifted.

He couldve been hiding in your sump pump room and you wouldve never known

And what if I was sheltering illegal immigrants in my basement, and the police would have found them? Just a quick example, but there is a reason why we have rights. And if the police knocks on my door and asks, I could look for intruders by myself in my house.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

It must be that part of me that is an emotionally mature and stable human being who wants to help my community by helping the police find a mass murderer.

If you really want to pretend that you are a compassionate human being while at the same time impeding local law enforcement trying to catch a murderer of an 8 year old. Fine.

So we're ignoring the other people who were killed in the blasts or resulting fight? Compassionate? if you're going to the 8 year old and not anyone else just to prove some kind of point?

 

[grimshawish]

People would rather give up there rights then be sane about public safety. Must be the hip thing to do, thinking the government is your mother

Planet Watching from the Sidelines.

 

[Parakeetman]

Glad they got him.
How terrifying for the boat owner though!

Actually I bet the dude felt relief that at least the suspect who has been on the run is now pinpointed and the authorities can do their thing.

Must have been worse without knowing where the guy is.

Though the whole thought of a potential explosive device being on the guy yeah I could see that put a bit of a damper on the positive aspects of knowing he was in ones boat in the backyard.

 

[stufte]

Really



Did having APC save anyone in this?




Ah name calling cause you can't make your point

well shit, maybe I'm not done.

Did having APC save anyone in this?

If it did, would it be worth it to you then?

Ah name calling cause you can't make your point

Saying someone is ignorant isn't the same as name calling.

You're trying to terminate every argument that contains even the littlest off color descriptor because, in actuality, it's you who can't argue your point.

 

[Trouble]

Did having APC save anyone in this?

It's not unthinkable. We know they had a bearcat at the scene of the firefight at the boat.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Not gonna buy into the framed bit but would like to point out that a lot of our tax money got wasted for this/

"Wasted" is a dubious choice of words, considering the result.

 

[Fahrenheit]

Some people in here would seriously choose not to cooperate with the police search had they been in this situation?

Geez. I'm wondering what planet you people live on...

Some people here would seriously choose to give up there rights then question why someone would want to kick in there front door

Geez. I'm wondering what planet you people live on...

 

[grimshawish]

Actually I bet the dude felt relief that at least the suspect who has been on the run is now pinpointed and the authorities can do their thing.

Must have been worse without knowing where the guy is.

Though the whole thought of a potential explosive device being on the guy yeah I could see that put a bit of a damper on the positive aspects of knowing he was in ones boat in the backyard.

I meant more him going out and looking in the boat maybe not realising thr situation!

 

[whitehawk]

Some people here would seriously choose to give up there rights then question why someone would want to kick in there front door

Geez. I'm wondering what planet you people live on...

Who's kicking down front doors?

 

[zychi]

People would rather give up there rights then be sane about public safety. Must be the hip thing to do, thinking the government is your mother

You do realize this kid blew a bomb up in a public place and killed a child? You would rather live in bumfuck middle of Africa where your "rights" take priority over a major cities safety?

You're insane.

 

[Dominican Power]

Aurora, Newtown, Dorner, and Boston. Too many fucking tragedies this year.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Some people in here would seriously choose not to cooperate with the police search had they been in this situation?

Geez. I'm wondering what planet you people live on. Of all the battles for you to pick, this one? Really?

If I look personally in my house for the suspect when the police is standing on my doorsteps and asks, I am "not cooperating"?

 

[Game-Biz]

How did the tank help find these two dudes again?

Yeah, you know it was only some dude who was suspected of having bombs and shit running through a neighborhood with the intention to kill innocent people. I can't really see the value of an armored truck in that situation. Why take the chance to spend more money than you have to? Because saving money should be top priority, rather than taking extra measures to insure safety.

 

[Fahrenheit]

well shit, maybe I'm not done.




If it did, would it be worth it to you then?



Saying someone is ignorant isn't the same as name calling.

You're trying to terminate every argument that contains even the littlest off color descriptor because, in actuality, it's you who can't argue your point.

I have made my argument, people keep repeating them selfs and name call.

"Wasted" is a dubious choice of words, considering the result.

Was the price of the Iraq war worth it since we got Bin laden?

 

[zychi]

And what if I was sheltering illegal immigrants in my basement, and the police would have found them? Just a quick example, but there is a reason why we have rights. And if the police knocks on my door and asks, I could look for intruders by myself in my house.

IF YOURE SHELTERING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS YOU ARE BREAKING THE GODDAMN LAW. You lose you're rights the second you willingly break the law. How dense are you?

 

[FyreWulff]

Well they wanna ban AR15s cause they are scary looking military rifles, so why can the police have scary military looking APCs?

Civilians can own them too.

Good luck affording the fuel to actually drive it, though.

 

[Bubble Metropolis]

Some people here would seriously choose to give up there rights then question why someone would want to kick in there front door

Geez. I'm wondering what planet you people live on...

If you want to argue this, stop making up fictional scenarios in an attempt to support your position and stick to the actual, real-life things that happened today.

Everything you've said in the past page seems completely disassociated with the reality of what has been happening for the past week.

 

[XenoRaven]

Well they wanna ban AR15s cause they are scary looking military rifles, so why can the police have scary military looking APCs?

Because they're the police. They get to have things that aren't legal for the general public.

Also the AR-15 ban wouldn't apply to the police. The police would still have AR-15s, M-16s, MP5s, and all that other fun stuff.

I feel like you are trying to be difficult. With the prevalence of violent gangs and the potential for attacks on American soil, I find it hard to believe you can't stop for a second and think of a scenario where an APC might be useful for a police force to have under extreme circumstances.

 

[Subtle]

Aurora, Newtown, Dorner, and Boston. Too many fucking tragedies this year.

We're not even 5 months in yet.

 

[stufte]

I have made my argument, people keep repeating them selfs and name call.



Was the price of the Iraq war worth it since we got Bin laden?

Please don't gloss over this question because you find it difficult to answer:

Did having APC save anyone in this?

If it did, would it be worth it to you then?

 

[strafer]

Damn.

Feel like I've missed a lot.

Is there any pictures of the suspect after being caught?

 

[outunderthestars]

Some people here would seriously choose to give up there rights then question why someone would want to kick in there front door

Geez. I'm wondering what planet you people live on...

This situation would clearly fall under "exigent circumstances" in that a mass murderer was seen fleeing into the neighborhood, was armed, and intended to do harm. The concept of public safety goes beyond your individual property rights.

For someone who continues to argue rights, you seem to have a rather limited understanding of them.

 

[zychi]

If I look personally in my house for the suspect when the police is standing on my doorsteps and asks, I am "not cooperating"?

You dont think the people living on Franklin street didnt cooperate? They had a guy with a fucking rifle shooting randomly, he also had bombs on him less than a day earlier. Youre telling me youre "look" in your house would have sufficed and you would have been fine with your children being caught in the crossfire? What country are you from? Because you seem to not understand how the US operates when some crazy idiot starts killing innocent people on our land

 

[Gemüsepizza]

IF YOURE SHELTERING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS YOU ARE BREAKING THE GODDAMN LAW. You lose you're rights the second you willingly break the law. How dense are you?

I have the right to not incriminate myself, for example by letting police search my house without a warrant. I don't think that's "dense". And sheltering illegal immigrants doesn't seem so evil to me, honestly.

 

[hirokazu]

Was the price of the Iraq war worth it since we got Bin laden?

Last post before I bail out:

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

 

[outunderthestars]

I have the right to not incriminate myself, for example by letting police search my house without a warrant. I don't think that's "dense". And sheltering illegal immigrants doesn't seem so evil to me, honestly.

That right, like many, is not absolute.