Maybe I've missed to much, but what is your argument? All I've seen is a bunch of paranoid screed and several assertions that have been shown to be factually incorrect.
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Maybe I've missed to much, but what is your argument? All I've seen is a bunch of paranoid screed and several assertions that have been shown to be factually incorrect.
empty vessel
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I feel like there is something wrong if people didn't feel okay to travel more than three blocks. Nothing like that happened even after 9/11.
What in the fuck. haha
Fahrenheit
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All I said that started all this was "I hope the reports of kicking in doors is false" and everyone jumped on me. Im basing it on the events.
Oh, you got it wrong. I do agree the APC would be super useful for dealing with all of them things. I still don't think they should have it. Like how you said the police get full auto rifles and the gen public does not. The police should NOT have anything the public can not. Its an out rage
sneakypete
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Seems to be the case with many anti-government/truther types. Not saying he's one of these, but usually arguments like his are followed up with a youtube link to a higher conciousness vid.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Fahrenheit
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All i have said is the trade of rights for false security is not a good trade
This is the time for relief, but not celebration. This doesn't seem like it's over, but rather just beginning.
Anti-American feelings among the young people of the world given shape, and showed just how easy it was.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Maybe you're exaggerating to make your point, but that's just not true. The procedural rights of a criminal prosecution exist for those who have broken the law and those who have broken no law, and any substantive rights can only be taken away after a conviction that respects those procedural rights.
You keep repeating yourself, and accusing us of "name calling" but the issue is that you are being shockingly callous and cynical to the point of just being an awful human being. We are shocked at your behavior. You keep repeating this "give up your rights" thing. Yes....we would gladly give up our rights during this time to help. If you don't like it, then stay out of Boston. It's friggin great here. I'm glad I don't have neighbors like you and my community helped the police today.
Beer Monkey
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Upvote if you like. I don't normally post to reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1cqbmp/im_on_a_boat/
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Because none of the over 200 rounds hit a APC, they're a waste of money. In your little world this is the worst scenario and there could never be more than 2 suspects at large? In the reality of things, had there been even 1 more person, or if of them had access to more weapons, then the need of those "tanks" rises greatly. You think this is the last time there is going to be an attack of some sort? And if it isn't, it'll never be this bad? That's a cute little world you live in.
Broder Salsa
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Upvote if you like. I don't normally post to reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1cqbmp/im_on_a_boat/
I would have considered doing it, if it was funny.
Fahrenheit
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Talk about the cost of APCs being worth it since they caught the guy, I ask if you think the cost of the iraq war was worth it since they caught there guy. Directly related, your logic doesnt scale up
outunderthestars
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Funny, I cannot think of a more clear case of actual security than removing a mass murder who had used explosive devices to kill random people, then murdered a police officer and shot up three different neighborhoods.
How exactly is removing said murderer "false security"?
You know they get to keep using it right? It's not a single use item.
Fahrenheit
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Don't you worry, would never dream of going to your freedom free zone.
Well it would be kind of difficult for the 9/11 hijackers to strike again.
People were certainly wary of plane travel afterwards though.
Upvote if you like. I don't normally post to reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1cqbmp/im_on_a_boat/
i didn't like it so i downvoted
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
What about real security? Specifically, security from a very real, very armed, and very dangerous terrorist confirmed to have been in your neighborhood within the past several hours?
Personally, I think I'd have opted for the right to security tonight. I guess you could fend for yourself, though, for whatever reason...
What does that have to do with the Police having APCs? That does not infringe on your or my rights.
darkazcura
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There was a shoot out, car chases, and bomb drops. I am pretty sure NYC would be under lockdown if some terrorists came back and decided to shoot out their cars while speeding down the road while also dropping explosives. Don't even try to argue this man. You are just in the wrong. There is plenty of reason to celebrate this and you looking down on Boston residents for even thinking of being happy or celebrating after tonight is just plain insulting. I probably exaggerated the three block thing as I actually would have been okay traveling around proper Boston today, but Brighton, Waltham, Watertown, and Cambridge? Hell no. They were under lockdown for a reason. Police didn't know if they planted anymore bombs and what not. Why the hell should anyone in those areas felt safe just walking around today? It's not like this is a permanent state of fear. As soon as it was over, people were out again walking around happy it's over. Hence "celebration" again. Why is this hard to understand?
So your argument is that you would prefer the police have less protection in a firefight.
Anyway, it's not really an outrage. Police receive special training the public doesn't receive and abide by additional rules and regulations that the public doesn't have to adhere to. They're better trained and they're more accountable for their actions than the average citizen. Because of this, they are trusted with increased access to equipment that the average person does not get. It's not a difficult concept.
Again, it doesn't seem like you are really thinking your arguments through all the way to a logical conclusion. You stopped at "they shouldn't have that" and refuse to consider it further. That's cool and all, you just shouldn't be surprised when people think you're fucking crazy.
Fahrenheit
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Oh I thought it made it clear. no
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Gemüsepizza;54664392 said:
That's not what the right against self-incrimination protects. The right to refuse entry to police without a warrant (absent exigent circumstances) comes from the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures; the right against self-incrimination comes from the Fifth Amendment, and roughly boils down to a right not to be forced to talk to the police in a way that proves you are a criminal.
I mentioned in this post (which I'm sure you didn't see, as I'm sure about 80% of posts in this thread are going unseen) my concerns going forward, but I still think there is reason to celebrate. At least in Boston, where all the stress was centered, and at least for now.
Lost Fragment
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Bin Laden was caught in Pakistan. Holy shit hahaha.
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It's like there was a broad side of a barn and he hit it. Wooooooooo
The sad, hilarious side effect of these senseless tragedies is that they force the GAF kooks to reveal their true, disturbed selves. Feels good to know whom you can safely ignore forevermore.
Liberty4all
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It sets a very bad precedent forcing citizens to endure house to house searches in the name of public "safety". And make no mistake, this was a forced house search ... Refusing entry would have resulted in a warrant faster than you can blink ... Assuming they even bothered getting one.
I'm not even American myself, but I have always admired the extreme, fanatical lengths Americans (used to) go to protect individual liberties ... Even when it didnt make sense, seemed inconvenient, and yes put people at risk.
It is not wrong for people in this thread to be putting out these worries. It IS wrong however, the amount of vitriol being tossed at them.
With that said I understand that this situation was without precedent and the worries of bombs planted all over was a very real concern.
stufte
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So you'd trade the safety and lives of police officers for your perceived waste of tax dollars? Right. I can see what kind of person you are.
Yes. Our incredibly low crime, great job market, high quality public schools, and low gun ownership make it a terrible place to live. It's like a police state.
Alright.
Whatever man, we live where the Fresh Price of Bel Air is from.
Fahrenheit
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Well my original argument was that police have no right to search a house without a warrant then the topic of if they should or should not have an APC came up. I think its fucking crazy (as you put it) that the police have this kind of gear.
stufte
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Born and raised?
It helps if you read out Farehnheit's posts in Trey Parker's "crazy redneck" voice.
sneakypete
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Except it happened Thursday evening, one 19yr old one 26 yr old, they weren't raided, no talk of NRA handbook being found in their housing.. what else did he predict?
Haha, I'm gonna do that from now on.
I've been to West Philly, it is nicer than West Baltimore.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
First, you really shouldn't put "safety" in quotes.
Second, wouldn't you think a warrant would be, uh, warranted in this case anyway?
Seriously. Why are you picking this fight, in this instance?
Fahrenheit
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Don't forget the mad bombers. Ill let the fact your implying low gun ownership is a good thing.
empty vessel
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9/11 was a far more sophisticated attack. Same with the Oklahoma City bombing. Those were far more organized and deadly attacks, suggestive of potential subsequent criminal bombings far more than the Boston bombing. Yet in neither case were either of those cities placed in such fear as Boston and surrounding cities. It strikes me as totally bizarre that a 19-year-old kid playing terrorist could place an entire regional area in such fear. This isn't a knock on Boston--as in, you're not as cool as NYC or OKC--it's just like it seems that something has changed more generally in the US that is currently on display in this incident, and not for the better. Regardless, I still don't see any reason to celebrate anything. And it still strikes me as perverse, in the same vein as the above.
Apparently people think I'm serious. Maybe read the entire post you quoted.
Fahrenheit
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Redneck is a hateful word please don't use it
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OL BAM FROM 360arcadians. Talking shit from a whole other country. Go sit down man. If "forced" you mean "protecting the safety of a major city on the eastern seaboard that has a large part in how the world functions", and not some bumfuck town in middle of nowhere lime where youre from. Then yeah, these people were forced.
Protection of millions >your idiotic right to not let a police officer see your bong in your shitty
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Social media has some to do with it I think.
Liberty4all
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There are a lot of people that share your unease, myself included. The pile on happening to you here is fucking disgusting.
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