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[MasLegio]

Aurora, Newtown, Dorner, and Boston. Too many fucking tragedies this year.

WOW!!


it was very easy to forget about West,
still 60 people missing from explosion

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/texas-explosion-missing-fertilizer_n_3118483.html
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-plant-explosion-death-toll-raised-to-14?lite

I guess that is the power of media combined with the ADHD internet generation (sickness)

 

[outunderthestars]

Just woke up, good to hear they got him.

Agreed. I am also happy that they managed to arrest him rather than having to shoot him.

 

[Fahrenheit]

None of the points about apc/tanks/rights where troll attempts

 

[Sixfortyfive]

You know, I really wonder about people, on what's suppose to be a real night of celebration because there's a chance that those innocent people that suffered at the hands of these assholes will have justice, and we are seriously arguing over what is one of the finest ever displays in our country's history of the police and law enforcement, both at the local and federal level, and average, everyday people coming together and cooperating and working as a team to make sure the people who attacked us were not allowed to get away with it? No rights were violated here, there was nothing about how this was handled that should, in anyway, alarm or concern anybody.

People literally gave their lives to bring this guy down.

Don't let camaraderie, selflessness, and a shared sense of justice and community combining to catch a pair of mass-murderers in a spectacular show of competence get in the way of these guys, I guess.

It's such an ugly sentiment. Droning on about "rights" as if they're the end in and of themselves instead of the means.

 

[CharminUltra]

Law enforcement officer went and bought milk for someone's baby since they couldn't leave due to the lockdown.

I wonder if he drove the tank to the supermarket.

 

[MasLegio]

IF YOURE SHELTERING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS YOU ARE BREAKING THE GODDAMN LAW. You lose you're rights the second you willingly break the law. How dense are you?

If you are sheltering immigrants you are doing good for humanity and are a good person. Some laws are meant to be broken

 

[empty vessel]

Don't let camaraderie, selflessness, and a shared sense of justice and community combining to catch a pair of mass-murderers in a spectacular show of competence get in the way of these guys, I guess.

It's such an ugly sentiment. Droning on about "rights" as if they're the end in themselves instead of the means.

Spoken like a good socialist! I agree except for certain core rights ("rights", if we're using scare quotes), as when the full force of the armed State is bearing down on individuals, potentially depriving them of liberty or life without due process.

I don't know man, neither 9/11 or OKC had crazy gun fights going on in the streets. The city wasn't cowering (from what I saw, I'm not there) between Tuesday and Thursday. The authorities asked everyone to stay off the streets on Friday which is understandable.

That's true, but that was all law enforcement related. 9/11 and OKC still had far greater portent of future threats to public safety based on the sophistication of the initial attacks.

 

[BeerSnob]

I wonder if he drove the tank to the supermarket.

That seems self defeating. Since it's fueled by the tears of children you would think he would want to prevent them from acquiring milk.

 

[Fahrenheit]

Youve admitted to trolling. Just stop.

Don't let camaraderie, selflessness, and a shared sense of justice and community combining to catch a pair of mass-murderers in a spectacular show of competence get in the way of these guys, I guess.

It's such an ugly sentiment. Droning on about "rights" as if they're the end in and of themselves instead of the means.

Rights are the end in its self.

 

[dc89]

It's the London Marathon tomorrow. I heard on the radio all the runners will wear a black ribbon.

Nice touch

 

[Risette]

You should see a therapist for your bouts of irrational fear then. 99.9% of Boston's population (including commuters) were never in any serious danger. It's irrational to get worried, less 'scared shitless', over events that never actually posed any real danger.

It's the equivalent of getting 'scared shitless' in the weeks and months post 9/11 if you did not work in a high value target. Risk wise, you or that person, should be more wary of getting killed in a car accident or hit by lightning.

People are going to have irrational fear after their city was bombed, dork.

Reminds me of people who post in threads where tragic events occur like somebody dying in a blizzard or earthquake or something and keyboard warriors post shit like "RATIONAL LOGICAL OL ME WOULD'VE DONE THIS AND THAT AND THIS WHAT A DUMB DECISION" -- good luck

 

[CambriaRising]

Well the government is cleary forcing that child to drink 2% milk instead of whole. Where did the other 98% go? Iraq.

Nope. As a milk connoisseur I can't let this one slide, Whole milk uses a red cap.

Spoiler

Infants don't drink cows milk, nice gesture either way

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

Oh man, this forced house search shit is in full swing it seems.

The house searches WERE NOT FORCED. The police requested entry and were counting on the likelihood that citizens would be pretty cooperative seeing as there was a fucking bomber who had killed a buncha people in their fucking neighbourhood. They were right to.

Seriously, to the people complaining about these searches, how do you not realise this; the slippery slope you guys refer to would get a fuckton more slippery if some tool decided to go on a power trip, deny entry to his house and end up having his denial result in the bomber escaping? That's exactly the kind of shit politicians would use to justify more invasive procedures being brought in.

The police and citizens did a great job last night cooperating in the face of a super uncommon situation.

 

[outunderthestars]

Nope. As a milk connoisseur I can't let this one slide, Whole milk uses a red cap.

It's a False Flag. Those caps were switched out in the tank so that the American people would think that the police brought whole milk.

 

[zychi]

If you are sheltering immigrants you are doing good for humanity and are a good person. Some laws are meant to be broken

Yep. Im sure Russia would love to find out you're being sheltered in their country illegally.

I bet the Turkish government would be just as fulfilling as the US is with illegals.

How about those illegal immigrants in China that Bill Clinton had to personally talk out of prison?

Some laws are meant to be broken he says...

 

[ComputerMKII]

Now the show trial can begin.

 

[BlastProcessing]

None of the points about apc/tanks/rights where troll attempts

You have the same right to own an APC that the police do. The Police owning an APC in no way abridges your rights anymore than them owning kevlar vests does. The APCs where purchased by an elected government. For better or for worse it was the will of the people for the Police to be well equipped.

All rights have limits in a society. You can't yell fire in a crowded theatre for instance. Also, in a situation where there is reasonable suspicion that someone could be hiding in your home with weapons that endanger the entire community, the rights your neighbors have to not get blowed up supersede your right to privacy. Anything the police found in your home that was not pursuant to the search at hand would not be held against you.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

People are going to have irrational fear after their city was bombed, dork.

Reminds me of people who post in threads where tragic events occur like somebody dying in a blizzard or earthquake or something and keyboard warriors post shit like "RATIONAL LOGICAL OL ME WOULD'VE DONE THIS AND THAT AND THIS WHAT A DUMB DECISION" -- good luck

The pervasive attitude seemed to be one more of caution than fear, imo.

Even in all of the footage of gunfire taken by people with smartphones in the vicinity, I didn't hear or see anyone that seemed to be particularly panicked.

 

[outunderthestars]

You have the same right to own an APC that the police do. The Police owning an APC in no way abridges your rights anymore than them owning kevlar vests does. The APCs where purchased by an elected government. For better or for worse it was the will of the people for the Police to be well equipped.

All rights have limits in a society. You can't yell fire in a crowded theatre for instance. Also, in a situation where there is reasonable suspicion that someone could be hiding in your home with weapons that endanger the entire community, the rights your neighbors have to not get blowed up supersede your right to privacy. Anything the police found in your home that was not pursuant to the search at hand would not be held against you.

I agree with everything you said, except this part is untrue. Even without a warrant, anything in plain sight of the officers searching the home could be used against the resident.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Now the show trial can begin.

Tut Tut.

I agree with everything you said, except this part is untrue. Even without a warrant, anything in plain sight of the officers searching the home could be used against the resident.

You are, of course, correct.

 

[Metaphoreus]

Spoiler

Infants don't drink cows milk, nice gesture either way

That explains why he looks so angry, since he's realizing he now has to go all the way back to the store.

 

[Trouble]

You should see a therapist for your bouts of irrational fear then. 99.9% of Boston's population (including commuters) were never in any serious danger. It's irrational to get worried, less 'scared shitless', over events that never actually posed any real danger.

It's the equivalent of getting 'scared shitless' in the weeks and months post 9/11 if you did not work in a high value target. Risk wise, you or that person, should be more wary of getting killed in a car accident or hit by lightning.

I worked 2 blocks from the White House when 9/11 happened. I took the bus to the Pentagon to get on the Metro every day. My mail was being delivered in a sealed plastic bag because of the Anthrax attacks. A woman was murdered a mile from my house by the beltway sniper.

Shit was stressful. Logically I knew I was far more likely to die in a mundane way than any of those, but logic doesn't do much to defeat anxiety.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

From reddit:

This really is the picture that matters most, and it's the one people should be posting instead of the suspects.

At peace

 

[Fahrenheit]

You have the same right to own an APC that the police do. The Police owning an APC in no way abridges your rights anymore than them owning kevlar vests does. The APCs where purchased by an elected government. For better or for worse it was the will of the people for the Police to be well equipped.

All rights have limits in a society. You can't yell fire in a crowded theatre for instance. Also, in a situation where there is reasonable suspicion that someone could be hiding in your home with weapons that endanger the entire community, the rights your neighbors have to not get blowed up supersede your right to privacy. Anything the police found in your home that was not pursuant to the search at hand would not be held against you.

Right the will of the people was for police to have tanks. When them tanks are rounding us up into fema death camps then well talk about will of the people (i'm being sarcastic)

 

[Milchjon]

Shit, Tamerlan was married and had a kid?

 

[blackflag]

Still trolling I see

 

[Metaphoreus]

I agree with everything you said, except this part is untrue. Even without a warrant, anything in plain sight of the officers searching the home could be used against the resident.

Well, that depends on whether they had a right to be conducting the search. If the homeowner consented to the search--and if the police did not exceed the scope of the consent given--then they could use anything they found in plain sight. If they violated the Fourth Amendment to enter the house without consent and without a warrant (and I'm not saying they did), then of course anything they found inside would be inadmissible, regardless of whether it was in plain sight as they searched.

 

[outunderthestars]

Well, that depends on whether they had a right to be conducting the search. If the homeowner consented to the search--and if the police did not exceed the scope of the consent given--then they could use anything they found in plain sight. If they violated the Fourth Amendment to enter the house without consent and without a warrant (and I'm not saying they did), then of course anything they found inside would be inadmissible, regardless of whether it was in plain sight as they searched.

Agreed. It would come down to judicial review of the exigent circumstances that led to the police entering the home without a warrant.

 

[empty vessel]

From reddit:

This really is the picture that matters most, and it's the one people should be posting instead of the suspects.

Sad. Such a stupid and futile act.

 

[Fjordson]

Considering that civilian casualties have been pretty low over the course of events over the past day (I actually haven't heard of a single person harmed that wasn't on the police force), I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove. Seems like Boston handled this pretty well to me, all things considered.

Yeah, the police and other law enforcement seemed to handle this pretty well. They were organized, careful, and I don't know of any additional casualties or property damage (except for that poor guy's boat) so it seems like they were operating with restraint and were under control.

I get some people feel uneasy at the power of law enforcement, but I don't see much here to be upset about.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Right the will of the people was for police to have tanks. When them tanks are rounding us up into fema death camps then well talk about will of the people (i'm being sarcastic)

People get the government they deserve. For better or for worse. If it really got to the point where we where being rounded up, they wouldn't use these dinky police APCs anyway. It would be real-deal-holyfield tanks, and fighter jets and predator drones and cruze missiles fired from nuclear submarines and shit, right? If anything, when the shit hits the fan and Emperor Obama makes his final evil Kenyan power grab, won't it be the police defending us against his mighty Federal agression? Shouldn't you want the Police to be better armed?

Here is something I have never gotten about the whole FEMA death camp thing. Who are these soldiers that are going to round everyone up and maintain these camps? Where do they come from? Aren't they just our Mothers, Fathers, Sisters, Brothers, Cousins, etc? Why would they go along with it? Concentration camps are based around containing the "other". But there is no "other" here. How would a group of people dedicated to protecting a population suddenly become oppressors? There is no historical examples of such a thing happening that I can think of.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Now the show trial can begin.

And when he admits he did it?

EDIT: Just remembered so many "these pictures suck they will never catch these guys" posts all over the internet.

 

[Peco]

Umm..

What is that playing on the TV there?

lol

LMAO

 

[CrushDance]

It's great that these guys got caught. But it a bit worrisome the hype and excitement that came before and during it all. It was like a reality tv show for some people. And with the showing of the perpetrators over and over, immortalizing them in the media while ignoring the victims pictures for the most part, it'd seem to only embolden others to do the same for the attention. Why kill yourself when you can make news around the world? Be on every TV set, newspaper, twitter, etc.

This year is crazy.

 

[MasLegio]

Yep. Im sure Russia would love to find out you're being sheltered in their country illegally.

I bet the Turkish government would be just as fulfilling as the US is with illegals.

How about those illegal immigrants in China that Bill Clinton had to personally talk out of prison?

Some laws are meant to be broken he says...

how fitting that you use non-democatric and oppressive states as an example of why sheltering illegal immigrants is bad

 

[ginger ninja]

Please don't take too much offense to this, because I don't mean it as harshly as its about to sound. But the fact that you are willing to be discriminated against in order to provide some false sense of safety for others around you, is a significant issue and goes more towards the harm that this kind of conditioning is really causing Muslim Americans. No one should have to be discriminated against in order to prove they are not some kind of bogey man.

i get what you are saying, i meet a lot of people who say the same thing..it's a personal thing, i just feel that this country allowed me to come here and enjoy the things that love and in return, if i do have to cede some of my rights, i am OK with it to a degree, as long as it's for the right reasons

Because it's a flimsy excuse to peer into your life (and I'm speaking in general about the you have nothing to hide idea).

Everyone has something to hide. You should have a reason to expect a decent amount of privacy. How would you feel if a significant other demanded to see your phone or email or computer everyday because they want to see it and "if you have nothing to hide then you should be ok with it"? Or the police coming up to you and saying "Let me see your phone. I think you may be dealing drugs. If you're not and have nothing to hide, then it will be over quickly"?

Or how about "You're brown, let me in to your home so I can make sure you're not planning on blowing things up. It shouldn't be a big deal if you have nothing to hide..."?

depends on how open you are about your life to the world and it's pretty subjective..i am not saying anyone who refuses to go by the mantra of "i have nothing to fear" is hiding something, i am just saying it's one of defending yourself

 

[Fahrenheit]

People get the government they deserve. For better or for worse. If it really got to the point where we where being rounded up, they wouldn't use these dinky police APCs anyway. It would be real-deal-holyfield tanks, and fighter jets and predator drones and cruze missiles fired from nuclear submarines and shit, right? If anything, when the shit hits the fan and Emperor Obama makes his final evil Kenyan power grab, won't it be the police defending us against his mighty Federal agression? Shouldn't you want the Police to be better armed?

Here is something I have never gotten about the whole FEMA death camp thing. Who are these soldiers that are foig to round everyone up and maintain these camps? Where do they come from? Aren't they just our Mothers, Fathers, Sisters, Brothers, Cousins, etc? Why would they go along with it? Concentration camps are based around containing the "other". But there is no "other" here. How would a group of people dedicated to protecting a population suddenly become oppressors? There is no historical examples of such a thing happening that I can think of.

The FEMA death camp thing was a joke, and doesn't some cities (NY?) use drones already?

 

[Fjordson]

It's great that these guys got caught. But it a bit worrisome the hype and excitement that came before and during it all. It was like a reality tv show for some people. And with the showing of the perpetrators over and over, immortalizing them in the media while ignoring the victims pictures for the most part, it'd seem to only embolden others to do the same for the attention. Why kill yourself when you can make news around the world? Be on every TV set, newspaper, twitter, etc.

This year is crazy.

Eh, that's nothing new. I think the only difference in recent years is all of the social media and technology. People can look up a criminal on Twitter, find out what YouTube videos he watched, who he messages, listen to police scanners, see YouTube clips within hours from eyewitnesses. Just more ways to follow this stuff now.

The only thing I would defend is the circulation of the pictures. At the least it gets the suspect's mug in front of more people and could have potentially helped in the manhunt if this had ended up being more drawn out.

More people able to recognize them = less places to hide and regroup.

 

[F!ReW!Re]

Damn, you leave this thread with the overall feeling being: awesome: they caught the guys! The BPD + the other agencies did a great job.

Now you come back and it's a bitch fest in here!

thisisneogaf.gif

 

[2MF]

This is kind of surreal: they shut down a whole city because of a single terrorist (which by itself is already a pretty big WTF moment), but then the cops tell Donut shops to stay open. This is incredible and hilarious at the same time.

 

[CharminUltra]

Damn, you leave this thread with the overall feeling being: awesome: they caught the guys! The BPD + the other agencies did a great job.

Now you come back and it's a bitch fest in here!

thisisneogaf.gif

Stop violating our right to bitch about stuff.

Umm..

What is that playing on the TV there?

lol

ROFL!

 

[Steelrain]

This is kind of surreal: they shut down a whole city because of a single terrorist (which by itself is already a pretty big WTF moment), but then the cops tell Donut shops to stay open. This is incredible and hilarious at the same time.

The cops told them to stay open or the shops volunteered?

 

[fabricated backlash]

Just woken up in the UK. When I went to sleep last night, he was cornered on the boat and GAF was down.

Sounds like they got him alive and no one else has been killed. Fantastic result!

Yeah, same here. I'm glad they got him alive so he can testify.
Should give some closure to the people of Boston.
Also mad props for the police not shooting everything up and actually uphold a professional standard. This is what I expect a Policeforce to be like, not some trigger happy thugs that are more like a state sanctioned gang.
As for the massive operation, yeah it looks like overkill when playing arm chair general from the comfort of your home, but given the volatile situation, and the area of operation it's quite understandable. Better to spend a few million more than to risk a hostage situation or residents getting injured by the suspect or IEDs.

My best wishes go out to Boston and the Boston police forces.

Unfortunately, this event has shown quite dramatically, that the internet would gladly burn witches. The angry mob mentality is alive and well, and all of you inconsiderate morons who jumped to conclusions, incriminating innocent people should take a long good look at your immature pathetic self.
But what's even worse is the press running with such information. All stations and reporters who did so should face legal consequences. Private people can't be held accountable for being inconsiderate morons, but the press certainly should.

 

[2MF]

The cops told them to stay open or the shops volunteered?

Both, apparently:

http://bostinno.streetwise.co/2013/...mains-open-during-lockdown/#ss__322438__0__ss

"There was an automated message going around telling businesses to close, but because we're Dunkin' Donuts, we called the police department and they said we didn't have to [close],"

In a second statement to BuzzFeed, Dunkin' Donuts representatives said: "At the direction of the authorities, select Dunkin' Donuts restaurants in the Boston area are open to take care of the needs of law enforcement and first responders."

 

[Arksy]

Both, apparently:

http://bostinno.streetwise.co/2013/...mains-open-during-lockdown/#ss__322438__0__ss

Cops gotta eat too.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Just woken up in the UK. When I went to sleep last night, he was cornered on the boat and GAF was down.

Sounds like they got him alive and no one else has been killed. Fantastic result!

Yep, was very pleased to hear he had been taken alive. Hopefully now we'll get some answers as to what motivated them to carry out the bombing.

 

[teh_J0kerer]

Holy crap, the article that has been mentioned alot with that quote about how the older brother didn't have any American friends, and didn't understand Americans... apparently that was written by a friend of mine.. wow. He must be getting bombarded with phone calls now.

 

[Dead Man]

People get the government they deserve. For better or for worse. If it really got to the point where we where being rounded up, they wouldn't use these dinky police APCs anyway. It would be real-deal-holyfield tanks, and fighter jets and predator drones and cruze missiles fired from nuclear submarines and shit, right? If anything, when the shit hits the fan and Emperor Obama makes his final evil Kenyan power grab, won't it be the police defending us against his mighty Federal agression? Shouldn't you want the Police to be better armed?

Here is something I have never gotten about the whole FEMA death camp thing. Who are these soldiers that are going to round everyone up and maintain these camps? Where do they come from? Aren't they just our Mothers, Fathers, Sisters, Brothers, Cousins, etc? Why would they go along with it? Concentration camps are based around containing the "other". But there is no "other" here. How would a group of people dedicated to protecting a population suddenly become oppressors? There is no historical examples of such a thing happening that I can think of.

Knock that shit off, no people do not get the government they deserve.

 

[DatDude]

Holy crap, the article that has been mentioned alot with that quote about how the older brother didn't have any American friends, and didn't understand Americans... apparently that was written by a friend of mine.. wow. He must be getting bombarded with phone calls now.

I have almost no doubt by now that the older brother brain washed his younger brother towards this "anti american" philosophy.

From what it appears, the younger brother had quite a successful life in America. He went to a prestigious high school, was a great athlete, went to a great university, and had many friends that enjoyed his company.

Sounds like his older brother life was going down hill quick, and unfortunately drug his younger brother down with him as well in the end.

 

[Jeff Albertson]

Glad they got him alive but it still amazes me how a 19 year old kid managed to evade an entire city's police force for so long then it seems they almost stumbled upon him in the end

I feel he won't have much to say and imagine for the most part it was the eldest ones idea but we will see