I think thee guys were just assholes wanting to kill people, like the school shooters. These guys happened to use bombs instead of guns. Since they were Muslim, it's being treated as a case of foreign religious extremists. They weren't. Just assholes. Losers as the uncle said.
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dutchguyjack
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Yeah, must be why he was shooting at the police.
The following is not directed at you by the way.
I'm astonished by how some people try to make this kid the victim. "He's influenced by his brother", "He wouldn't do something like this because he had friends", "He doesn't deserve jail time", "He's hot", "What reason would a 19 year old have to do this?", "It can't have been his idea because he's only 19".
He's 19 years old people. He's an adult perfectly capable of making his own decisions. He knew exactly what he was getting himself into, he was the one who pulled the trigger of his gun and the explosives, he was seen running away from the scene when the explosions were triggered, and he had 2 shootouts with the police, and was also involved in a car jacking. This kid is as far from being a victim as you can be.
JetBlackPanda
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People are really going for the brainwashed/controlled by his brother angle?!
Well.. Ok..
Well.. Ok..
The older brother seemed normal enough as well. Days before the bombings, he posted a Youtube video showing off his sick drifting skills in Driver: San Francisco. So I'm just saying that they both could have been closet crazies.
Sorry, there's just no way he would not know what was in the bag. Pressure cookers are heavy just by themselves, and they were packed with explosives and ball bearings. The backpack was extremely heavy and bulky. Not buying that he was that oblivious.
Boss Doggie
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So what's the story so far?
Also that GIF is hilarious!
Also that GIF is hilarious!
Him going around the corner? He looked to be running or walking quickly. He was mid-stride.
My theory about him thinking it was a different drop also explains his nervous behavior. If he thought he was doing something else illegal, it would make sense that he was acting weird. The tweets/going to class after the bombing are chilling if he knew what he was doing, and understandable if he did not.
Again, I may be 100% wrong and probably am. But I think the possibility exists that this kid was put up to something by his brother and didn't realize exactly what it was. That would explain a lot, including why he didn't have a suicide vest, but his brother did, etc.
It's a very long story that many of us followed for like 48 hours straight. Just read back over a few pages and you'll find summaries.
EDIT: Here's one from Foxy Fox 39:
marathon bombings
Police say they think its a domestic attack
internet detectives blame about 10 different people mostly brown people but also military looking dudes (with random devices) and some odd guy in blue
police say they have a suspect
they dont have a suspect
suspect in custody taken to courthouse
bomb threat at courthouse
media evacuated
random truck pulls up to the courthouse with a dude hanging on it
Everythings OK at the courthouse
Sunil is said to be a suspect
Another kid (track star) is said to be a suspect by media and his life is ruined. He talks to the police to tell them hes innocent.
New York post and other sites stand by their info of suspect even though its false
CNN is doing all sorts of bad reporting
FBI releases videos of suspects + images
Turns out they are "normal" kids
Twitter is found (normal YA tweets)
We learn they are chechen islamists?
These kids rob a 7/11
Talk about mulitple suspects including black dudes and middle eastern looking men
They go to MIT and kill an officer
Crazy chase and shootout throughout the city complete with grenades and IEDs
We find its the kids the FBI is looking for
Suspect 1 is killed
random dude is held at gun point and stripped to his bday suit
Suspect 2 avoids capture for quite a while
Uncle speaks about them being losers and hes angry at them
Aunt/father says they were framed
Turns out they didnt rob a 7/11. It wasnt a 7/11 eleven in the first place. and someone else did it. Complete coincidence
Suspect is found on a boat and eventually gives up.
But really you should read some more long-form reports, because this doesn't accurately convey the sheer craziness of what just went down. It was like a thriller movie with a ridiculously long run time.
No, they were radicalized. There is enough evidence for that. The older brother first, who then had influence on the younger.
dutchguyjack
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Was he also oblivious to shooting a police officer, carjacking and 2 shoot outs? Someone who didn't know exactly what they were doing wouldn't go along with any of those things. A normal, innocent kid would never be okay with shooting a police officer.
exactly.
No ones trying to justify his actions when they say he was influenced, they are just describing the situation.
who on earth would excerise in those pants?!
Well if my hypothetical is true, he probably was put in a position where his picture is suddenly plastered on the news and his brother just says "well now we have no choice, here are the bombs and weapons I have." And he responded the only way he thought he could. (Yes, he should have escaped his brother immediately and gone to the police in that case.)
Again, highly, highly unlikely, but I don't see why it's out of the realm of explanation.
If he knew what he was doing, influenced/brainwashed by his brother or not, I have no sympathy for him and hope he gets all that's coming to him. If he didn't know, this would be a normal kid who was drawn into an act of terrorism by his brother and, yeah, that's a sympathetic situation.
I'm just happy he's alive so we can get to the bottom of this and prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.
xXxDieselxXx
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A tasteless terrorist
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BTW, what's the current status of the guy in custody? I'd like to think he's out of danger and in position to fully spill the beans. It would suck if he died or sustained brain damage.
dutchguyjack
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Even if he was drawn into the situation by his brother, he could have just surrendered. They say this kid was intelligent, so if he didn't know what he was doing and placed the package ignorantly of its contents (So in other words, if he was stupid enough not to think more of placing a bag in a crowd of people and leaving), he could've just walked into the nearest police station and explained the situation.
I don't know that we've heard anything really. But that probably means he's still kicking.
Crazy though if he was shot in the neck and already low on blood.
I see nothing wrong in discussing hypotheticals, but I don't think your (as you acknowledge) crazy theory jives with a lot of what we know happened. And there's plenty on that Twitter account that indicates to me he was a closet crazy, at least when viewed in retrospect.
FullMetalx117
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Really... Something that the FBI, boston police, media, etc. haven't even confirmed yet you are automatically assuming just based on what CNN is saying?
good work detective
soxinthebox
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So he dropped his bag, it exploded and he was none the wiser about being involved? Okay
He's probably going by the older brother's YouTube channel which featured known radical clerics speaking their views.
It's not an angle...it's what happened. The older brother started to get very religious about 5 years ago and went to extremest websites and followed an extremest Muslim leader. They were both brainwashed. That's how people become extremest Islamic terrorists.
And no, that doesn't excuse their actions. They both accepted to go down that path at some point before being taken over by it.
I don't think anyone's using that to excuse his actions; he's still a terrorist and needs to be tried like a terrorist. But I wouldn't doubt that the older brother was the brains behind the operation and the reason for this kid's shift from normal/sociable to murderer.
What do you mean by contained?
dragonelite
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Winterfang
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That's how I feel as well. Unfortunate.
FullMetalx117
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Please... stop acting like you know what actually happened. How do you how people become extremists? Through youtube videos? We don't have all the information yet. Les wait and see actual FACTS
I think some of you need to realize that there are people out there who are very good at hiding their true feeling and thoughts from others. You can not look at things like their twitter account to truly understand their true thoughts and feelings.
To a lesser extent I am very good at hiding my hate towards people to the point where they think that I actually like them. From an outside perspective, you would think that I had no problems with these people.
To a lesser extent I am very good at hiding my hate towards people to the point where they think that I actually like them. From an outside perspective, you would think that I had no problems with these people.
Winterfang
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I also agree. The Kid didn't had any dirt on him, he must had being convinced by his older brother to just shit on every one of his friends, love ones and the country that receive him with open arms.
The older brother however did say that he didn't had American friends and that he didn't understood them.
Boss Doggie
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Wow, so the internet intervened poorly?
Alligatorjandro
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Yes.He chose to do this and now has to suffer the consequences.
All in a day's work for Rex Crawley, internet detective.
the police totally thanked the internet for their help
Miles Quaritch
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Why wouldn't the same apply to black or middle eastern teens? Radicalisation (if that's what happened) is a form of brainwashing.
Winterfang
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It actually was harmful to the investigation. The FBI catch them with the help of regular citizens calling and sending them photos.
Boss Doggie
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Yeah that's what I meant by poorly - apparently the stuff from social media were false reports/accusations?
Man I kinda feel bad for not being up to date :/
Jest Chillin
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Übermatik;54687819 said:
Photoshop. You really shouldn't give any of these types of image any attention at all.
Übermatik;54687819 said:
Has this been covered? Looks like FOX news used the same picture twice for two separate events - Sandy Hook and the Boston bombings. She's the former principal of the school. Wonder how the family feel.
I'm not sure if that picture was taken out of context...that is the principal who died, her name was Dawn. They're referring to someone named Donna. They might have been playing a montage of people who died during Sandy Hook while talking about people from CT being at the race.
The same should of course apply but in real life and media the discourse would be much uglier.
dutchguyjack
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Exactly, but some people appear more compassionate to people if they aren't black or middle eastern. Because white people can't possibly conduct an act of terrorism, it's not in their nature!
Does John sound like the type of person who would become a terrorist?
Maybe if he was Middle Eastern there would be some ugly backlash, but I think if they were black (at least African-American) than it would be pretty similar to how it is now with people wondering why they went down this path.
turnbuckle
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I believe that was proven fake anyways.
I totally sympathize with the following individuals:
Maybe I'm missing your point.
You may be right.
Winterfang
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Yeah, not only because of racist people but because things are already pretty tense among Americans and Middle Eastern people, this would be just more problematic. That's one of the reasons a lot of people didn't wanted the attack to be from a radical middle easter muslim as they already got through a lot of shit since 9/11.
As for a black person? I don't know, did the Black Sniper attack cause a sudden influx of hate towards African Americans?
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