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[El Sloth]

Hey, Ravidrath, who would have won the vote if only the very first voting round counted?

dunno about that, fgc extends a games life span.

Even convinced themselves that mvc2 wasn't a horribly put together broken mess for over a decade.

The internet, and more importantly online play, has come a long way since the MvC2 days.

Like I said, a presence at tournaments could help, but it's not necessary for the game to subsist.

 

[Village]

That only works for Capcom games and Smashers in the US.

If a game is popular enough the FGC will elevate it to levels it may or may not deserve. Though there are games that forced themselves into the FGC, like smash bros, because everyone had to get over themselves and realize all fighting games don't play the same and had to let all the smash bros fans in.

Hey, Ravidrath, who would have won the vote if only the very first voting round counted?


The internet, and more importantly online play, has come a long way since the MvC2 days.

Like I said, a presence at tournaments could help, but it's not necessary for the game to subsist.

I think people want great things for this game and possible successors. I am one of the people who think that a vast majority of the skullgirls cast aren't that great at all and don't have much appeal. I like the game mechanics the people doing the things aren't that great. And sure the game can survive , but its understandable if some people want this game to do a bit better, and some people think the issue is the cast. I would agree.

I would like to make a forum at some point talking about how important characters are in a fighting game, outside of the punching part. Ask why people play as some characters, and why others may not like it.

 

[Loona]

2 days seems too short a time interval - maybe 3 to leave enough time for pondering and awesome campaign fan art?

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Round 1: All 30 characters
Round 2: Top 20
Round 3: Top 10
Round 4: Top 9
Round 5: Top 8
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One character is eliminated every round until one character has more than 50% of the vote.[/INDENT]

That's a bit boring for me. I'll just be voting Panzerfaust until he's eliminated, then probably Isaac, then probably Beowulf. If you ask people for their preferences in order, you could finish the vote in two days...

Of course, AV votes take quite a long time to tally.

 

[Moonlight]

I don't get this logic. If Minette/Annie win it's likely their voters will all migrate to the other moe, and the issue with men was that so many made it through to the last round which divided the vote (as Ravi said Beo was 8 votes away, it's extremely likely he would have got those if he wasn't competing with another 3 males).

I really wish they'd release the numbers though, would be interesting to see if anybody actually stood a chance other than Annie/Minette and if they were the clear front runners in every round.

I think it's pretty silly to reduce people voting for characters as people who want 'moe' (code word for: stuff I don't want) and 'not moe'. A lot of people are voting for Annie purely on their own merits (inconceivable, I know), and would want characters like Minette well after we get characters like Isaac, Beowulf, or Panzerfaust. Personally, I'd like Black Dahlia (since Juju is out), but if she's culled again, I'd definitely support Isaac before Aeon or whoever else. People are more complicated than that, and as much as people against Annie or Minette or #TeamLoli (I don't know) would like to believe, there are more reasons they're getting votes than 'kawaii waifu moeshit'.

In other words:

 

[Ravidrath]

2 days seems too short a time interval - maybe 3 to leave enough time for pondering and awesome campaign fan art?

Like 90% of the votes are cast in the first 48 hours in the current system.

 

[SolarPowered]

I don't get this logic. If Minette/Annie win it's likely their voters will all migrate to the other moe, and the issue with men was that so many made it through to the last round which divided the vote (as Ravi said Beo was 8 votes away, it's extremely likely he would have got those if he wasn't competing with another 3 males).

I really wish they'd release the numbers though, would be interesting to see if anybody actually stood a chance other than Annie/Minette and if they were the clear front runners in every round.

You don't really know this. Many on SRK, Skullheart, the IRC, Tumblr and 4chan voted for an even split of males and females from the start.

2 days seems too short a time interval - maybe 3 to leave enough time for pondering and awesome campaign fan art?

Yeah... no. If we are doing five rounds or more it needs to be kept short. The long time is what did us in before. Ignore that at your own peril.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Like 90% of the votes are cast in the first 48 hours in the current system.

Plus, when people have less time to cast their vote they'll vote earlier.

 

[not psycho]

I don't get this logic. If Minette/Annie win it's likely their voters will all migrate to the other moe

I don't know about that, Annie is my first choice and Minette is pretty much my last choice. I agree with you that the official Annie art on the first page makes her look like she could be a boring design, but if we're voting based on potential then Annie's design wins because of the fanart. If you've been paying attention, most of the fanart doesn't try to make her look "moe", it goes in the other direction with JoJo, Guts, and generally with a more mature or evil looking face.

 

[Delusibeta]

2 days seems too short a time interval - maybe 3 to leave enough time for pondering and awesome campaign fan art?

Yeah, I was thinking that 2 days was a bit too short for my tastes, and would prefer 3 days. I also think that the "end voting as soon as someone hits 50% of the vote" is going to cause confusion and salt.

 

[Master Milk]

Like 90% of the votes are cast in the first 48 hours in the current system.

Knowing that, you need to find a way to make the vote under two weeks.

What's the percentage of votes cast on the first day? If you could shrink the vote to a week, 7 or 8 rounds since you seem to be trying to extend that, that would be great.

Since I don't have the voting data, I can't be sure, but like someone mentioned earlier, this isn't likely to change the end results too much lol

 

[J-Tier]

I don't get this logic. If Minette/Annie win it's likely their voters will all migrate to the other moe, and the issue with men was that so many made it through to the last round which divided the vote (as Ravi said Beo was 8 votes away, it's extremely likely he would have got those if he wasn't competing with another 3 males).

I really wish they'd release the numbers though, would be interesting to see if anybody actually stood a chance other than Annie/Minette and if they were the clear front runners in every round.

Many voters are like that. They don't realize the weight of their decision until the results have been revealed.

In example, a lot of voters went with favorite character + "someone else". Then are surprised when the "someone else" vote makes it, but not their favorite.

 

[AAK]

After looking at the top 4 anyone thinking a male character will make it for the next vote is setting themselves up. It's not gonna happen. There will be 2 moe characters from the fan vote. We all have to deal with it. It sucks of what could have been but I don't have any right to complain, the moe fanbase did after all provide the majority of the money to lab zero.

 

[Ravidrath]

Yeah, I was thinking that 2 days was a bit too short for my tastes, and would prefer 3 days. I also think that the "end voting as soon as someone hits 50% of the vote" is going to cause confusion and salt.

The alternative is to go 11 rounds, which would take longer, and probably not change the result.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

You don't really know this. Many on SRK, Skullheart, the IRC, Tumblr and 4chan voted for an even split of males and females from the start.

I don't know about that, Annie is my first choice and Minette is pretty much my last choice. I agree with you that the official Annie art on the first page makes her look like she could be a boring design, but if we're voting based on potential then Annie's design wins because of the fanart. If you've been paying attention, most of the fanart doesn't try to make her look "moe", it goes in the other direction with JoJo, Guts, and generally with a more mature or evil looking face.

I don't know it because we don't have the figures and I'll happily say that I'm being reductionist and not accounting for the people who are voting for reasons other than them liking cute little girls. I'm simply assuming the two of them did so well because the majority of people are voting for them is down to them wanting cute little girls in the game.

I honestly don't think the people who draw fan art represent the majority of the fanbase for the characters. If that were the case then we wouldn't be seeing Aeon in the final 4 above Beowulf. Anyway we'll see if I'm wrong when the results for both the votes are in, I just still think it would have been better for them to be transparent with the voting results.

 

[wildfire]

I never thought this was a good idea.

But a lot of people are saying that they think having a vote at all was a bad idea, and this is the only resolution to that.

I think it's time to change your avatar again. [edit] No. Not the one you just changed to a minute ago. [/edit]

Honestly if you want this voting period to be resolved quickly just change it to one poll and we rank our votes. Positive points for characters we definitely want and negative points for characters we don't want.

You could just do it in one shot this way and it would take like 5 days tops to set up and resolve.

 

[DiscoShark]

I'm really not a fan of any of the proposed alternative voting methods, let's just keep the current vote setup and accelerate the schedule to about two weeks to get through all of the rounds.

So this is Squigly's stage, huh? Was expecting some sort of Corpse Bride zombie opera house with a skeleton audience ... or a graveyard.

I'm liking the concept so far but it's hard to judge without seeing the thing colored. Crossing my fingers for a sunset stage.

 

[ixix]

If 90% of votes already get cast in two days then a system identical to the first round could have the whole thing over within 8 days.

I think people will probably simmer down when the actual voting is over so if there are really people playing the chargeback card and giving PayPal ammunition for their "Howsabout we give you your money never?" chicanery then just getting it done ASAP so peeps can chillax a bit once it's finished and the final two characters are a lock seems like the most prudent course of action.

This is assuming that people are actually making good on their chargeback threats and not just posturing on the internet, of course. If nobody's actually following through then I say start twisting the knife.

 

[AliceAbstract]

If you broke the campaign down as funding 4 new characters (+ Robo Fortune) I would have wanted it to be specifically for Squiggly, Umbrella, Marie and Black Dahlia, as that was indicated what would be needed to complete the story of Skullgirls. (Plus I love their character concepts)

While I am disappointed that Umbrella and the others didn't make it this far, I'm pretty happy with the four that did (Okay, I'm not actually happy about Aeon...)

I do kind of like the idea of a countdown vote for the final ten. It is a little sad to be able to vote for only one character though. Skullgirls has a really rich cast, in mechanics, design and story. I am sure there are more than a few out there (me included) who still dream of seeing everyone on the list playable someday.

Anyway, I wish the best of luck and the least of headaches for the team, and I'll always love the game no matter what happens during the vote.

(I'm voting Minette, btw. I'm also a chick and I really dislike moe in general, so there's for your stereotypes)

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

What in the fuck is Moe and why does it matter? I don't even like Minette's design or how she is "going to play", but even she has interesting mechanics. Everyone in the top 5 does.

 

[Thores]

Updated the rules proposal...

1. One vote per round
2. X rounds, 2 days each

Round 1: All 30 characters
Round 2: Top 20
Round 3: Top 10
Round 4: Top 9
Round 5: Top 8
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One character is eliminated every round until one character has more than 50% of the vote.​

My only issue with this is that a lot of voters might get burned out by having to vote 8 to 11 times in such a short time frame. I wouldn't, but it still might inadvertently skew the results one way or the other from increased drop-outs.

 

[Instro]

Wow people had the sense to get rid of the horrible designs like Beowulf, nice.

 

[voodoopanda]

I put in a vote for Annie this last round and I plan to go all in for Beowulf/Isaac/Panzerfaust next time, however the voting is structured. I could see the voting going slightly differently next time, depending on who wins this one.

It's too bad the voting is causing such a negative response, it was awesome at first and seemed like a great idea & very thoughtful towards the fans. Now it seems like no matter which characters make it, some people will be upset.

None of the characters I voted for in round 1 has made it to this last round and I'm 100% cool with the results.

 

[SolarPowered]

It completely slipped my mind that Light got his shit messed up in the end of Death note lmao.

I'm really not a fan of any of the proposed alternative voting methods, let's just keep the current vote setup and accelerate the schedule to about two weeks to get through all of the rounds.

It's funny that people are all about changing the voting methods expecting guys to make it even though that is going to happen anyway once lots of the top 4 voters switch their gender votes for round 2. A lot of people weren't reading the thread earlier when most of us were making that declaration.

So this is Squigly's stage, huh? Was expecting some sort of Corpse Bride zombie opera house with a skeleton audience ... or a graveyard.

I'm liking the concept so far but it's hard to judge without seeing the thing colored. Crossing my fingers for a sunset stage.

A little vanilla is good too.

Wow people had the sense to get rid of the horrible designs like Beowulf, nice.

They had the sense to put him past twenty-six other characters.

 

[Nyoro SF]

Yeah just make it a two-day vote. I would prefer three days between rounds but two days works for me.

 

[Ravidrath]

My only issue with this is that a lot of voters might get burned out by having to vote 8 to 11 times in such a short time frame. I wouldn't, but it still might inadvertently skew the results one way or the other from increased drop-outs.

If people aren't motivated to vote, then they aren't motivated to vote - that's part of the process.

 

[SDBurton]

I'm really not a fan of any of the proposed alternative voting methods, let's just keep the current vote setup and accelerate the schedule to about two weeks to get through all of the rounds.

This is what I say. Keep it as is, just make each round 2-3 days.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

no, one vote per voterrrrr

 

[darkblade77]

I'm down for 2-days. Sell it as the Lightning round(s). :lol.

 

[Dachande]

I don't get this logic. If Minette/Annie win it's likely their voters will all migrate to the other moe,

I don't think that's true. The audiences aren't necessarily going to cross over that much. I reckon people are voting based on the characters themselves rather than simply how moe each one is (and that's a fucking terrible reason for anyone to vote for a character anyway). I'll happily vote Minette but I don't think I'll ever bother with Annie, and certainly won't if Minette gets in this round.

 

[Rickenslacker]

It completely slipped my mind that Light got his shit messed up in the end of Death note lmao.

And the apple eater has the last laugh.

What does it all mean?!

 

[Ravidrath]

I'm putting the voting system up for a vote, so people will get to decide.

I'm also going to put in a question asking about how happy they are with the voting thus far, and a note that the results of the voting votes aren't binding.

For example, if a majority of people say they're unhappy with the voting results thus far and then say they want to keep the same system, I'd probably change to the other system.

 

[Rickenslacker]

nm

 

[PartTimeWarrior]

#AntiMinetteTechnology

 

[Azure J]

I missed a lot it seems from my last post to now. Thoughts:

- I didn't even think that those #TeamVagina things were anything more than parody. As someone who had female characters dominating his votes, it was more about their gameplay (and in the case of Eliza, her design and gameplay were awesome) winning out in my eyes than some weird "take that" to getting more Skullguys or serving up "ironic justice" to people who liked/wanted more of the guy characters over more girls.

- I like the idea of accelerated rounds and liked the updated rules Ravi's putting out for part two. I'm just wondering if a 3 day period would be better than the 2 days there. You'd get the main force in the 48 hour span as has been the trend and the stragglers would get an extra day to filter in. I also like the approach of voting for the characters, although I'd kinda miss the phases of barganing with each other and the different #Teams forming to get the votes together. This style would make it an all out "them or us" which could be really fun to watch unfold. :lol

What in the fuck is Moe and why does it matter? I don't even like Minette's design or how she is "going to play", but even she has interesting mechanics. Everyone in the top 5 does.

From what I understand about this slippery slope that is the word moe:

Lit: A Japanese-ism describing a strong feeling of wanting to protect/defend something you see as worth it. Usually used as a description for characters of this archetype in anime fandom. The internet however, latched onto it as a catch all descriptor for little girl/childish acting/overly clumsy characters because of the base similarities between those types of characters and the actual connotation of the word.

Agreed on everything else you said too by the way. While I've pretty heavy handedly thrown my chip in with Annie and Eliza overall, this isn't because the other 30-aught characters aren't worth the time, but because out of them all, I'd like to see these two first. Heh, sometimes I'm wondering if the sentiment of "voting for them because we aren't sure if we'll see them again" didn't kinda up the ante on all the feelings, bitter or no, we've seen when people lost picks going up in the polls.

 

[El Sloth]

I think people want great things for this game and possible successors. I am one of the people who think that a vast majority of the skullgirls cast aren't that great at all and don't have much appeal. I like the game mechanics the people doing the things aren't that great. And sure the game can survive , but its understandable if some people want this game to do a bit better, and some people think the issue is the cast. I would agree.

All that's fine. Really, I agree that it would be nice if more people found something in the game to bring them in.

All I'm saying is that there are plenty of people who do find appeal in the Skullgirls cast already without necessarily needing anymore. Would it be awesome if more people came to the game? Of course, but the market for games is different than it was back in the late 90s/early 2000s. Games no longer need mass market success to find dedicated multiplayer bases to keep them alive.

Good luck with your forum idea.

 

[Delusibeta]

Nickin' Jintor's work for a new avatar.

 

[Azure J]

#AntiMinetteTechnology

I just got this. Wooooooow. :lol

 

[NEO0MJ]

#AntiMinetteTechnology

Should be available in every stage as a stage interaction. Auto-KO if it lands against Minnete. Maybe add an animation of minette splashing about like a fish out of water.

 

[Roubjon]

#AntiMinetteTechnology

lol, good one.

 

[Saikyo]

I just think that just having 2 male characters in the game its going to SUDENLY have a huge influx of players, it dont work that way.

Melty Blood for example there was new characters like Kouma and Roa, and it fanbase keep the same because even if someone had been curious because of new "male" characters, the game itself he couldnt like.

So , again, vote for the characters you like not that "oh this characters is gonna bring more players".

 

[Ivan 3414]

I'm disappointed and slightly annoyed, but I've gotten used to that since every one of the characters I was even slightly interested in were axed. Honestly I'm not interested in any of the female candidates

Spoiler

except for Umbrella, thanks to her fan art, and Feng, because of gameplay potential.

I think everyone against the moe characters should vote for Beowulf. He seems to have the most likely chances. Divided we fall.

 

[SouthernDragon]

While I'm a huge fan of Feng, Juju, Issac, and Panzerfaust, BEOWULF must take the next round.

Either Annie or Eliza are cool for this round.

 

[megalowho]

Yikes at some of the unreasonably negative reactions. All top 8 seemed alright to me, and don't really get the gender hangups on either side. Hope any hard feelings blows over quickly, not enjoyable to watch a fun campaign turn like this.

 

[darkblade77]

I just think that just having 2 male characters in the game its going to SUDENLY have a huge influx of players, it dont work that way.

Melty Blood for example there was new characters like Kouma and Roa, and it fanbase keep the same because even if someone had been curious because of new "male" characters, the game itself he couldnt like.

So , again, vote for the characters you like not that "oh this characters is gonna bring more players".

I agree here. I feel the male character thing is a proxy argument and it won't produce much in the way of real results(for stuff like local turnout), but if more make it in, I also don't think it could hurt. They were eventually intended to make it in anyway.

 

[Ravidrath]

Yikes at some of the unreasonably negative reactions. All top 8 seemed alright to me, and don't really get the gender hangups on either side. Hope any hard feelings blows over quickly, not enjoyable to watch a fun campaign turn like this.

Yeah, I'm really not liking the negativity this is generating.

It was all supposed to be fun and cool, and then I hear things about top players abandoning the game because the ONE character they wanted out of 32 didn't make the Top 4 this round.

It's all just dumb feelings, and I hope it goes away. But right now I'm feeling like the vote was a mistake.

 

[Moonlight]

While I'm a huge fan of Feng, Juju, Issac, and Panzerfaust, BEOWULF must take the next round.

Either Annie or Eliza are cool for this round.

I hate to tell you this, but Juju won't be taking a shot at the next character vote.

 

[Drkirby]

Really would like it if you could get a few more votes for the first two rounds. I really liked being able to pick a few from the bunch, rather then just my #1.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

I hear things about top players abandoning the game because the ONE character they wanted out of 32 didn't make the Top 4 this round.

I have a name for that kind of players:


Retarded Manchildren


stop taking them seriously, you're doing your job and this reaction was to be expected

 

[Saikyo]

About people "stopping" playing the game because of the game...its dumb but it happens all the time, it was not world of warcraft that there was always a group of people who said "I am quitting the game" every update log? I think its the same situation, plus votes always cause some drama...

More complicated its people chargebacking because his characters didnt make it, thats childish...so next vote maybe make a "disclaimer" so to stop this kind of behavior?