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[takriel]

I think this a rather good idea. Nintendo fans and general gamers will still have the directs to satisfy their need to see some Iwata/Miyamoto and Reggie presence on their screen, while "mainstream" gamers that don't follow suit will still have the recaps of all the announcements Nintendo made at the end of the day on all the big gaming news sites.

Additionally, the prospect of having more time dedicated as a whole to software than just one "big" press conference is very appealing to me. I'm looking forward to a week where everyday is Nintendo day.

 

[darkistheway]

Since you can't read I will try to clarify. I clearly say that I don't care about Nintendo , but since it is E3 (the event) I always watched it, no matter how shitty they all were. Just because it was E3. (Forget Sony and MS I AM TALKING ABOUT NINTENDO). There are so many people that think like I do and if you don't believe me. Let's then use casual gamers that do watch E3 because of THE EVENT feel. Do you really believe they will give a shit about some Nintendo direct nonsense? Well if you want to be that ignorat (something Nintendo fanboys don't lack) be my guest.

Everything you just said is a perfect reason for Nintendo not to waste their time with a big E3 press conference.

Nintendo is trying to market their products to people who care enough to actually spend money.

 

[Globox_82]

So, people like you, who don't care about Nintendo watch E3 conference and won't watch E3 Direct. How does this affect them exactly? You think they're happy you watch them and then don't buy them anyway and will be unhappy when you both don't watch and don't buy them?

you are missing the point, but never mind, carry on with Nintendo on their path similar to Sega. Sega fanboys were in denial even when announced that dc is dead. Not saying the same faith awaits N, but they are making bad move after bad move. and this defense force how everything is fine, we now don't even need E3 press conference boggles my mind.

 

[Dion Blaster]

Might be a better plan than having an expensive glossy presentation when your competition is launching brand new consoles. Still, it feels so weird. I even took a day off to see their keynote.


lol fantastic avatar.

It's the smugosaurus

 

[Globox_82]

Everything you just said is a perfect reason for Nintendo not to waste their time with a big E3 press conference.

Nintendo is trying to market their products to people who care enough to actually spend money.

so casuals that watch those E3 conference and purchase wiifit and so many wiis are irrelevant. O yeah they will tune to watch Nintendo direct hahahaha yeah sure.

 

[Alexios]

you are missing the point, but never mind, carry on with Nintendo on their path similar to Sega. Sega fanboys were in denial even when announced that dc is dead. Not saying the same faith awaits N, but they are making bad move after bad move. and this defense force how everything is fine, we now don't even need E3 press conference boggles my mind.

I'm not missing any point, you're only failing to provide an argument beyond your obvious bias. Then claim I'm the one with a bias, when I don't even own any current Nintendo system and have only ever owned 2...

so casuals that watch those E3 conference and purchase wiifit and so many wiis are irrelevant. O yeah they will tune to watch Nintendo direct hahahaha yeah sure.

Right, Wii Fit and Wii Sports sold because of some E3 conferences, the marketing campaigns and actual products had nothing to do with that, they could have saved so much money by just stopping at E3... Lol.

 

[?oe?oe]

E3 has little effect on the mainstream. It's not the fucking Olympics.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Apparently you have pretty arbitrary definitions to define a successful franchise as well. No game needs to do Wii Fit numbers to be considered a successful franchise. 2-3 million is enough most of the time. That no one wanted these games is absolutely wrong.

Then what is the point for the argument? What you said applies to both sides.

 

[Lucent]

demos on the eshop

c'mon, Nintendo!

The Zelda LTTP 2 demo that people have been able to play. It's already made. release it. lol

 

[Globox_82]

It's the smugosaurus

wow if it could get kazified but to retain that smugness.

 

[darkistheway]

so casuals that watch those E3 conference and purchase wiifit and so many wiis are irrelevant. O yeah they will tune to watch Nintendo direct hahahaha yeah sure.

Serious question: do you really think the people who buy Wii Fit tune in to watch a livestream of E3 press conferences?

 

[Terrell]

I'm. Not sure I understand what Reggie's role at the company is anymore if Iwata is running the NA branch and they will be focusing more on Nintendo direct and less on actual press events

Reggie hasn't been part of marketing for a while, that's Scott Moffitt's job.
Reggie also didn't run NoA ever. The best part about the news of Iwata moving in was getting schooled on the difference between CEO, COO and president.

Reggie was and always has been COO and president. COOs manage day-to-day operations and report to the CEO, who takes that information from operations and crafts policy/strategy. Reggie reported to NoA CEO, that guy Iwata told to "go home, you're drunk", essentially.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

so casuals that watch those E3 conference and purchase wiifit and so many wiis are irrelevant. O yeah they will tune to watch Nintendo direct hahahaha yeah sure.

What was the percent of casuals to hardcore gamers tuning in to watch e3 for wiifit?

 

[Globox_82]

I'm not missing any point, you're only failing to provide an argument beyond your obvious biases. Then trying to claim I'm the one with a bias, when I don't even own any current Nintendo system and have only ever owned 2 of their systems.

Right, Wii Fit and Wii Sports sold because of some E3 conferences, the marketing campaigns and actual products had nothing to do with that. If only you could provide proof...

yeah same to you. at least mine makes more sense. E3 casuals watch it, newspappers report about it - casual people read it. at least that is big % of buyers and then it spreads.

Or yours, let's have some direct event in a bunker for 10.000 of our hardcore fans that live in illusion like rest of nintendo. with this I will end this "debate". you can keep it on going.

 

[takriel]

I dare say that most gamers don't watch the E3 conferences live, but catch them sometime afterwards on a big gaming news site by either reading articles or watching the presentation on youtube. So yeah, it doesn't really matter how games are announced.

 

[AzaK]

Did you miss the last Direct?

The directs aren't even in the same universe compared to E3 conferences IMO. I'd get up early in the am for an E3 but not a direct. Of course I'd evenually get the information but an E3 can generate more buzz for me in the moment. I'd tweet, post, talk to friends but a direct is just like getting up a day late to catch up on celebrity gossip. Nothing more than a piece of mildy entertaining information.

Iwata's delivery is terrible and production values are crap. It doesn't engender excitement.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

I dare say that most gamers don't watch the E3 conferences live, but catch them sometime afterwards on a big gaming news site by either reading articles or watching the presentation on youtube. So yeah, it doesn't really matter how games are announced.

But-but-but the glorified stage...

 

[RyuKanSan]

Random thought: what I'd they did a Nintendo direct or something similar that was broadcasted on tv etc but it just wasn't live. Kinda like if their conference was June 11 at 10am it just went to a pre recorded direct or whatever

 

[Alexios]

yeah same to you. at least mine makes more sense. E3 casuals watch it, newspappers report about it - casual people read it. at least that is big % of buyers and then it spreads.

Or yours, let's have some direct event in a bunker for 10.000 of our hardcore fans that live in illusion like rest of nintendo. with this I will end this "debate". you can keep it on going.

So you end this "debate" with more bullshit still pretending Nintendo won't be showing things to the press, at E3, that they can then write in said newspapers or wherever else as long as they're interesting things.

Good exit, so much sense it hurts anyone's brain, keep it up! Next time at least read the title of the thread you're attempting to "debate" in though. Or if this was some trolling attempt at least be funnier.

 

[takriel]

But-but-but the glorified stage...

I'll miss it, too But come on, it wasn't that great really since 2010, the exception being the Zelda orchestra in 2011.

 

[GCX]

The directs aren't even in the same universe compared to E3 conferences IMO. I'd get up early in the am for an E3 but not a direct. Of course I'd evenually get the information but an E3 can generate more buzz for me in the moment. I'd tweet, post, talk to friends but a direct is just like getting up a day late to catch up on celebrity gossip. Nothing more than a piece of mildy entertaining information.

Iwata's delivery is terrible and production values are crap. It doesn't engender excitement.

I honestly don't know what's wrong with the production values of the Direct vids.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

yeah same to you. at least mine makes more sense. E3 casuals watch it, newspappers report about it - casual people read it. at least that is big % of buyers and then it spreads.

Or yours, let's have some direct event in a bunker for 10.000 of our hardcore fans that live in illusion like rest of nintendo. with this I will end this "debate". you can keep it on going.

Ill start the debate back up. You do realize that this news of Nintendo not having a huge conference has made it way to big gaming sites right all over the internetz and such? Its pretty big news..now..imagine Nintendo has showed off new mario kart and all the other games and all that stuff. It will be way more widespread than this. And this wasnt even a stream, direct or nothing. At the end of the day all of the news will be in the same place. Now Im not saying E3 is worthless personally I still want a e3 conference, I wanna see them on stage clowning and such but please lets be real. New smash bros trailer will be all over the net regardless Nintendo have a press conference.

 

[darkistheway]

yeah same to you. at least mine makes more sense. E3 casuals watch it, newspappers report about it - casual people read it. at least that is big % of buyers and then it spreads.

Or yours, let's have some direct event in a bunker for 10.000 of our hardcore fans that live in illusion like rest of nintendo. with this I will end this "debate". you can keep it on going.

um, no, it doesn't.

You don't know the first thing about any of this. And this post proves it.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Uncharted 1/2 sold 5 million+, same with LBP.

Yeah I looked at the numbers on VG chartz and they both sold more. I edited the post. All of those games still outsold LBP and Uncharted 3.

Uncharted 1 was at 4.9 mil
Uncharted 2 was at 6.1 mil
Uncharted 3 was at 5.82 mil
LittleBigPlanet 5.17 mil

Brawl is at +11 mil
TP at 6.7 mil
MP8 7.9 mil
Galaxy 10.9 mil
Galaxy 2 7.0 mil
DKCR 5.9 mil

All numbers are from VG chartz. So only Uncharted 2 outsold DKCR.

 

[Mr. RHC]

I'll miss it, too But come on, it wasn't that great really since 2010, the exception being the Zelda orchestra in 2011.

But there always was the potential for the next show to be Nintendo's best E3 EVER

Spoiler

no hyperbole

Of course, it might be true that E3 relevance is fading in the wake of pre-recorded livestreams and the likes.

But wasn't there always something special about E3? I think the traditional E3 format should be preserved.

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

The directs aren't even in the same universe compared to E3 conferences IMO. I'd get up early in the am for an E3 but not a direct. Of course I'd evenually get the information but an E3 can generate more buzz for me in the moment. I'd tweet, post, talk to friends but a direct is just like getting up a day late to catch up on celebrity gossip. Nothing more than a piece of mildy entertaining information.

Iwata's delivery is terrible and production values are crap. It doesn't engender excitement.

your excitement doesnt matter for the event. your excitement for the product does tho. im sure nintendo has done enough testing to see more people get excited for nintendo directs. most people seem dissapointed in e3 conferences

 

[Sadist]

The directs aren't even in the same universe compared to E3 conferences IMO. I'd get up early in the am for an E3 but not a direct. Of course I'd evenually get the information but an E3 can generate more buzz for me in the moment. I'd tweet, post, talk to friends but a direct is just like getting up a day late to catch up on celebrity gossip. Nothing more than a piece of mildy entertaining information.

Iwata's delivery is terrible and production values are crap. It doesn't engender excitement.

But what if it's a E3 Direct?

:'D

 

[Globox_82]

Ill start the debate back up. You do realize that this news of Nintendo not having a huge conference has made it way to big gaming sites right all over the internetz and such? Its pretty big news..now..imagine Nintendo has showed off new mario kart and all the other games and all that stuff. It will be way more widespread than this. And this wasnt even a stream, direct or nothing. At the end of the day all of the news will be in the same place. Now Im not saying E3 is worthless personally I still want a e3 conference, I wanna see them on stage clowning and such but please lets be real. New smash bros trailer will be all over the net regardless Nintendo have a press conference.

So you end this "debate" with more bullshit still pretending Nintendo won't be showing things to the press, at E3, that they can then write in said newspapers or wherever else as long as they're interesting things.

Good exit, so much sense it hurts anyone's brain, keep it up! Next time at least read the title of the thread you're attempting to "debate" in though. Or if this was some trolling attempt at least be funnier.

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[GetemMa]

I honestly don't know what's wrong with the production values of the Direct vids.

I don't either. In fact I think they are 1000% better at conveying interesting information than ANY E3 conference I've seen in the last 5 or 6 years.

I think they are saying Nintendo will be missing out on putting on those really "great" moments of E3 like Ravvi Drums, Mr. Caffeine, 599 US Dollars, Wonderbook, Smart Glass, Kinect Sports, Cheerleaders (real ones with pom poms), and RIIIIDDDGGGEEE RACER!!!!

I swear the attachment people have to this event is borderline sad.

I stopped expecting anything 3 years ago. The thing is dying. MS and Sony are not even announcing their HW at it this year.

 

[Christopher]

This has to be the biggest dissapointment for Nintendo fans...

 

[Alexios]

Still not funny enough. A better gif next time, come on.

 

[-MB-]

yeah same to you. at least mine makes more sense. E3 casuals watch it, newspappers report about it - casual people read it. at least that is big % of buyers and then it spreads.

Or yours, let's have some direct event in a bunker for 10.000 of our hardcore fans that live in illusion like rest of nintendo. with this I will end this "debate". you can keep it on going.

What about "they're still going to be at E3 with demos and announcements" don't you grasp?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

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To admit what? Thats not no answer dude

 

[lettermassing]

they don't need e3 anymore, nintendo direct is serving them very well.

 

[takriel]

But wasn't there always something special about E3? I think the traditional E3 format should be preserved.

Don't be afraid of changes. The Nintendo E3 magic might just be redefined this year.

 

[Ronok]

Nintendo have announced games outside of these press conferences before and it's not as though they just went unnoticed. Take Smash Bros Brawl for example. Revealed to press in a smaller event after the press conference itself was held. Not only that but Snake was shown as playable character. It's not like withholding it from the press conference did it any harm.

The press conferences are long boring and packed with useless information. I much prefer the nice streamlined Nintendo Directs which do away with the incredibly awkward live presentations. I know some of you are complaining that this doesn't reach the casual crowd, but honestly, I feel like I'm in bizaro land. Why do you now suddenly care about that? Weren't the complaints before that they were focussing to much on them? Apparently now Nintendo should reach out to their hardcore fanbase?

For the record I don't actually think this is the case. The mainstream press are going to report on the games on the show floor regardless. I seem to remember them doing a better job of reporting them then some of the gaming press in previous years.

I also think that if along with this change of focus from the press conference to smaller events they release demo's on the eshop it will be a very good thing for them. I honestly don't know why any company would want the gaming press shaping impressions of their games for them.

 

[GetemMa]

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You are saying that casuals who bought Wii Fit are going to be watching E3 this year.

LOLOL....wow, there goes any credibility you had in this conversation.

 

[Terrell]

Since you can't read I will try to clarify. I clearly say that I don't care about Nintendo , but since it is E3 (the event) I always watched it, no matter how shitty they all were. Just because it was E3. (Forget Sony and MS I AM TALKING ABOUT NINTENDO). There are so many people that think like I do and if you don't believe me. Let's then use casual gamers that do watch E3 because of THE EVENT feel. Do you really believe they will give a shit about some Nintendo direct nonsense? Well if you want to be that ignorat (something Nintendo fanboys don't lack) be my guest.

Casual gamers don't watch it live. Casual gamers are at work and aren't going to have an hour to watch it live. Most people don't even watch conferences at all, they read livetweets instead or read a synopsis after the fact. Things the press will still provide for a Nintendo Direct, as they have for all the other NDs that have already occurred.

And my response to your post wasn't about other people, it was about YOU. You're watching a conference about products you don't give a shit about for... what reason?

so casuals that watch those E3 conference and purchase wiifit and so many wiis are irrelevant. O yeah they will tune to watch Nintendo direct hahahaha yeah sure.

Most reasonable people don't tune in to watch things they don't already care about. People who don't give a shit about Apple don't wait on baited breath to see the WWDC keynote, for instance. They read the synopsis after the fact.

It's not a sporting event, it's an over-elaborate advertisement. Those 2 things are not comparable.

 

[-MB-]

They're definitely not going to go online and watch a stream of such a presentation.
If they were, then there would be no barrier to them watching NDs instead.

 

[mclem]

They've trained their ninjas for corporate warfare. In the middle of the big Xbox and PS4 reveal, the huge screens will instead start showing the latest Nintendo Direct.

I guess that means E3 Bingo for Nintendo will have to be in the context of 'announced by the end of the week'

 

[jgmo870]

Yeah I looked at the numbers on VG chartz and they both sold more. I edited the post. All of those games still outsold LBP and Uncharted 3.

Uncharted 1 was at 4.9 mil
Uncharted 2 was at 6.1 mil
Uncharted 3 was at 5.82 mil
LittleBigPlanet 5.17 mil

Brawl is at +11 mil
TP at 6.7 mil
MP8 7.9 mil
Galaxy 10.9 mil
Galaxy 2 7.0 mil
DKCR 5.9 mil

All numbers are from VG chartz. So only Uncharted 2 outsold DKCR.

******** numbers though. They're a banned site on gaf for a reason.

 

[-MB-]

Posting vgshitz numbers isn't going to do your argument any favors lol.

 

[Huggers]

Good idea/bad idea, whatever. It's disappointing, I look forward to the conferences and was hoping for Nintendo to really lay it down this year

 

[Petrae]

Yeah I looked at the numbers on VG chartz and they both sold more. I edited the post. All of those games still outsold LBP and Uncharted 3.

Uncharted 1 was at 4.9 mil
Uncharted 2 was at 6.1 mil
Uncharted 3 was at 5.82 mil
LittleBigPlanet 5.17 mil

Brawl is at +11 mil
TP at 6.7 mil
MP8 7.9 mil
Galaxy 10.9 mil
Galaxy 2 7.0 mil
DKCR 5.9 mil

All numbers are from VG chartz. So only Uncharted 2 outsold DKCR.

Pulling data from that site isn't really a wise decision. Considering that it's not exactly reliable.

 

[Terrell]

Good idea/bad idea, whatever. It's disappointing, I look forward to the conferences and was hoping for Nintendo to really lay it down this year

They still can. A change in format doesn't make the content disappear.

 

[Huggers]

They still can. A change in format doesn't make the content disappear.

Sure they can but nothing beats a big on stage E3 announcement like Miyamoto coming out with the sword and shield, Link on the horse etc. Just think it creates a certain buzz

 

[Jb]

How the fuck does Nintendo expect to get any media attention with a new 3D Mario/Mario Kart/SMB when their competition will spend so much time and energy demo-ing new hardware, features and services, and most third party publishers will be busy pushing their new IPs for next gen?

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Pulling data from that site isn't really a wise decision. Considering that it's not exactly reliable.

Ah, I didn't know. Where would you suggest I get sales data for games from? Is there a more reliable site?

 

[-MB-]

How the fuck does Nintendo expect to get any media attention with a new 3D Mario/Mario Kart/SMB when their competition will spend so much time and energy demo-ing new hardware, features and services, and most third party publishers will be busy pushing their new IPs for next gen?

Because they're still on the conference floor?
Doing NDs that are e3 themed and small press events during e3 at e3.

 

[Sandfox]

How the fuck does Nintendo expect to get any media attention with a new 3D Mario/Mario Kart/SMB when their competition will spend so much time and energy demo-ing new hardware, features and services, and most third party publishers will be busy pushing their new IPs for next gen?

Nintendo is going to put just as much effort into showing off the new Wii U games as they would if they had a big conference and even then that wouldn't affect the other things you mentioned.