Nintendo ditches main E3 conference, still there with games, press events, N-Direct

Jay-B said:
How the fuck does Nintendo expect to get any media attention with a new 3D Mario/Mario Kart/SMB when their competition will spend so much time and energy demo-ing new hardware, features and services, and most third party publishers will be busy pushing their new IPs for next gen?
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They are having an event for media. Maybe you should read the OP.
 
Jay-B said:
How the fuck does Nintendo expect to get any media attention with a new 3D Mario/Mario Kart/SMB when their competition will spend so much time and energy demo-ing new hardware, features and services, and most third party publishers will be busy pushing their new IPs for next gen?
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Why wouldn't they get any media attention? Not sure what you're trying to say.
 
Zen_Arcade said:
Ah, I didn't know. Where would you suggest I get sales data for games from? Is there a more reliable site?
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It's tough these days as NPD data is pretty much leaks and extrapolations for US market. You may be able to get some guidance from some of our NPD Sales threads in the archives here, though exact numbers may be difficult. If you're looking worldwide, there's nothing concrete.

The other site may be okay as underlying trend guidance, but given issues between shipped/sold and other things, I wouldn't quote specific data from there to support an argument.

It'd be great if we had an easier/more accurate resource. Armchair analysis is getting harder all the time. :)
 
Zen_Arcade said:
Ah, I didn't know. Where would you suggest I get sales data for games from? Is there a more reliable site?
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i don't think there is a reliable site that has them all, you have to research each on a per game basis. can usually check wikipedia and check whatever source they have on there but sometimes they have ******** numbers as well. it's usually a bit easier for nintendo games since they frequently put their software sales on their finance site.
 
How does the likes of Gamespot get the E3 feeds they stream, anyway? Could they not also arrange to stream a Nintendo Direct? What'd be the difference at their end?

Obvious question at the back of it all: Distressing lack of mention of Europe. Probably not something to worry about, but I'd like reassurance! That said, I do quite like the idea of a presentation which skips out all the stuff that only America will ever get, naming no Microsofts.
 
so:

- same amount of media coverage in the form of a separate closed doors media event for journalists

- game announcements directly to gamers by n-direct


everything went better than expected
 
SalsaShark said:
so:

- same amount of media coverage in the form of a separate closed doors media event for journalists

- game announcements directly to gamers by n-direct


everything went better than expected
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You missed the fact the sky is falling and if you don't have a traditional conference your shit won't sell so Nintendo is doomed regardless of any games they might have to show and release over the year.
 
Either way, I'm going to be sitting at home watching streams of dudes talking about Nintendo games. So this really doesn't effect me or anyone else here who isn't going to E3.
 
That is why I love Nintendo. Fuck those bloated conferences. Seems like they are only there so nerds can proclaim a winner and a loser. The new approach makes a million times more sense.
 
Some of the last Nintendo Direct following around the world on Youtube, just Nintendo official channels

US

Pre E3 ND - 998.716
ND 06.21.2012 - 455.576
ND 10.25.12 - 89.321
ND 12.05.12 - 98.438
Pokémon Direct 01.08.13 - 521.029
Wii U Direct - 01.23.13 - 350.428
ND 02.14.13 - 297.924
ND 04.17.13 - 207.728

UK

Pre E3 ND - 1.872
ND 06.22.12 - 11.074
ND Wii U Preview 09.13.12 - 103.942
ND 04.10.12 - 13.976
ND 05.12.12 - 17.147
Wii U Direct - 01.23.13 - 23.095
ND 02.14.13 - 16.161
ND 04.17.13 - 26.282

For comparison, what I found about E3 conferences (Youtube channels of IGN and Gamespot)

IGN

Nintendo E3 2010:
Part 1 - 78.347
Part 2 - 58.021
Part 3 - 62.436
Part 4 - 48.882

Microsoft E3 2010:
Part 1 - 150.780
Part 2 - 85.646
Part 3 - 91.395
Part 4 - 60.260

Sony E3 2010:
Part 1 - 142.534
Part 2 - 83.792
Part 3 - 67.936

Nintendo E3 2011:
Part 1 - 369.336
Part 2 - 121.431
Part 3 - 103.521
Part 4 - 87.638

Microsoft E3 2011:
Part 1 - 749.790
Part 2 - 208.695
Part 3 - 143.644
Part 4 - 140.261

Sony E3 2011:
Part 1 - 621.165
Part 2 - 156.362
Part 3 - 128.974
Part 4 - 89.491

Gamespot

Nintendo E3 2012 - They had a problem with archives
Microsoft E3 2012 - 550.834
Sony E3 2012 - 478.025

Sony's NA 28M for the PS4 trailer
1.5M for See the future
1.3M for the Announcement
2M for Infamous
1M Killzone
1M Drive Club official channel

Sony's European channel (sonyplaystation)

PS4 Trailer - 358.950
PS4 - See the future - 754.121
Game trailer (Killzone, Drive Club, Infamous - 320.000 as highest

IGN Channel

PS4 Conference - 133.855
 
GetemMa said:
I have plenty of friends who own consoles and I can assure that none of them watch E3. I don't believe they are outside of the norm. It isn't as big a deal to the normies as you would like to think it is. Most people are working or in school when these conferences are shown. They pick up the news in drips from the internet.
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I disagree. While E3 isn't the Superbowl it's still a means to an end and that's getting the message about upcoming products out there. Whether people see the announcements/trailers on Youtube or in a magazine etc, etc it's still an industry event to spread the word.

None of the previous Nintendo Direct events have gotten anything like that amount of traction with the media. Even the Nintendo 3DS XL reveal was muted and while that was an iteration rather than new hardware these events are aimed squarely at Nintendo fans.

I don't see how Nintendo's significant downsizing this year can be seen as anything other than capitulation. But let's approach it from a different angle. What happens if Nintendo have a Direct conference because they have nothing to show that can compete with the MS and Sony announcements?

Where does that sit with Nintendo fans?

GetemMa said:
And you are wrong. Nintendo is showing 3D Mario platformer, Kart, and Smash at E3 at least. Already announced.
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These titles are LITERALLY what I was talking about. None of those titles are going to sell WiiUs to people who don't already own a WiiU or aren't already Nintendo fans with intent to buy.

These titles will get next to no traction with the mainstream media when MS and Sony (and ALL the third parties) show next gen titles and new IPs.
 
Zen_Arcade said:
Yeah I looked at the numbers on VG chartz and they both sold more. I edited the post. All of those games still outsold LBP and Uncharted 3.

Uncharted 1 was at 4.9 mil
Uncharted 2 was at 6.1 mil
Uncharted 3 was at 5.82 mil
LittleBigPlanet 5.17 mil

Brawl is at +11 mil
TP at 6.7 mil
MP8 7.9 mil
Galaxy 10.9 mil
Galaxy 2 7.0 mil
DKCR 5.9 mil

All numbers are from VG chartz. So only Uncharted 2 outsold DKCR.
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Ok then if VGC says so it must true.
 
Fritz said:
That is why I love Nintendo. Fuck those bloated conferences. Seems like they are only there so nerds can proclaim a winner and a loser. The new approach makes a million times more sense.
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But-but-but what am I going to do with my E3 scorecard...
 
while this might be a good thing in some respect im just dissapointed because my favourite part of E3 is Nintendo's conferences. i watch the others too but being a huge nintendo fan much of the appeal is these presentations.

still look forward to e3 of course but still
 
E3 = Monumental hype that almost never delivers.
NDirect = fair amount of hype that delivers most of the time and sometimes even exceeds expectations.
 
man they were already going to get drowned out at E3 by Microsoft and Sony, but I think this actually makes that situation worse. I guess it depends on just what those smaller little conferences will reveal if anything.
 
This honestly just sounds like and admission that Nintendo doesn't have anything other than their usual first party line-up and already announced games to show at E3. If you aren't already a Nintendo franchise fan, then the N-Directs have been mostly irrelevant thus far and hearing that they've basically turned their E3 conference into one doesn't bode well for future third-party support.
 
Mpl90 said:
Sorry, I should have been clearer: YouTube accounts of Gamestop and IGN.
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So you're comparing the OFFICIAL Nintendo Youtube channel numbers to the numbers on the Gamestop and IGN Youtube channels?

I see.

And to think I was going to question such concrete, factual numbers.

Hermii said:
E3 = Monumental hype that almost never delivers.
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This is only true if you are a Nintendo fan.

Hermii said:
NDirect = fair amount of hype that delivers most of the time and sometimes even exceeds expectations.
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This must only be true if you are a true Nintendo believer.
 
Radec said:
Damn, dat salt!
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It's true though, E3 has been circling the drain for a long while. The main conferences have become boring and fewer and fewer major announcements are being made there. 5 years ago the idea of the PS4 being announced outside of E3 would have seemed absurd.
 
Xilium said:
This honestly just sounds like and admission that Nintendo doesn't have anything other than their usual first party line-up and already announced games to show at E3. If you aren't already a Nintendo franchise fan, then the N-Directs have been mostly irrelevant thus far and hearing that they've basically turned their E3 conference into one doesn't bode well for future third-party support.
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Lol, Bravely Default says otherwise. Either way your conclusion makes zero sense. Who knows what kind of ND they are planning. Nobody forces them to stick to a certain formular here. An ND can very well be just an E3 press conference without live audience and a fucking expensive huge-ass stage which isn't needed to show off games anyway.
 
I wonder if they feel like they can reach the audience in a more direct way (pun intended) with the ND, but it makes me wonder if there is really not much to announce besides the known titles so that is why they won't have a regular presentation.
 
nikatapi said:
I wonder if they feel like they can reach the audience in a more direct way (pun intended) with the ND, but it makes me wonder if there is really not much to announce besides the known titles so that is why they won't have a regular presentation.
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If they wanted to have a regular presentation they could've just saved Wind Waker HD, Link to the Past 2, Monlith Soft's X, Pokemon X & Y, Yoshi's Island 3, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, Fire Emblem x SMT, etc. for the E3 show.
 
Mpl90 said:
Some of the last Nintendo Direct following around the world on Youtube, just Nintendo official channels
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How exactly is that a comparison?

Comparing the official Nintendo channel to third party channels like IGN/Gamespot doesn't really prove a point.

More importantly, people tend to watch it live, those who don't, they just download it off the Gamespot/IGN servers. Watching the conference on YT in parts might be the least used method, i am sure. Unless you have stats for each conference downloads from GS/IGN/Other sites servers, this doesn't show the popularity of ND.

Is ND limited to YT or do they host it some place else like on official site.
 
Fritz said:
Lol, Bravely Default says otherwise. Either way your conclusion makes zero sense. Who knows what kind of ND they are planning. Nobody forces them to stick to a certain formular here. An ND can very well be just an E3 press conference without live audience and a fucking expensive huge-ass stage which isn't needed to show off games anyway.
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But that huge-ass stage is what sensationalizes announcements! Everyone knows that people don't talk about NDs; Nintendo needs that stage to generate interest! Their announcements will just get lost in the buzz.
 
Busty said:
So you're comparing the OFFICIAL Nintendo Youtube channel numbers to the numbers on the Gamestop and IGN Youtube channels?

I see.

And to think I was going to question such concrete, factual numbers.
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Maybe because those are the only official E3 Conferences videos I found on YouTube? No, it must be because I'm biased, sure. :P

Other comparisons

Sony's official channel

PS4 Trailer - 358.950
PS4 - See the future - 754.121
Game trailer (Killzone, Drive Club, Infamous - 320.000 as highest

IGN Channel

PS4 Conference - 133.855

@DarkLordMalik: They use their official site /Ustream/Nico-Nico (Japan) for streaming conferences, then they put it on eShop and YouTube.
 
Fritz said:
Lol, Bravely Default says otherwise. Either way your conclusion makes zero sense. Who knows what kind of ND they are planning. Nobody forces them to stick to a certain formular here. An ND can very well be just an E3 press conference without live audience and a fucking expensive huge-ass stage which isn't needed to show off games anyway.
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One game still qualifies and mostly irrelevant (I'm also more interested in the Wii U) and my assumption on what they will be doing is based on previous ND and the ever increasing number of third-parties abandoning their system.
 
So once again, Nintendo is being gimped in order to satiate iwata's thirst for Internet glory.

E3 replaced by Nintendo Direct? Really?

What next? Ask Iwata becomes the only outlet for Nintendo interviews?

Iwata needs to be sorting shit out not fucking about on the Internet.
 
Amir0x said:
man they were already going to get drowned out at E3 by Microsoft and Sony, but I think this actually makes that situation worse. I guess it depends on just what those smaller little conferences will reveal if anything.
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People also forget that the press will be affected by hype as well. The amount of coverage they get might be affected by their interest as well.

I also just don't think that any Nd can generate the same excitement as a E3 press conference.
 
HawthorneKitty said:
But that huge-ass stage is what sensationalizes announcements! Everyone knows that people don't talk about NDs; Nintendo needs that stage to generate interest! Their announcements will just get lost in the buzz.
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Isnt it better to let journalists play the games, rather than having another Nintendoland fiasco ? If they did that last year instead of explaining every detail on stage, they would have gotten much better press.
 
Busty said:
There are Ubisoft fans? Are you sure it wasn't just Sculli sitting in the audience hoping James Cameron will turn up?
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I really wonder if there are ubisoft fans..or did zombiu and watch_dogs groomed some people last year. Personally I dont really care for ubisoft. The last ubisoft game I bought was rayman 3 HD.
 
I understand the reasoning but I still think this is a really bad idea. It just reeks of having no confidence in your products.
 
Busty said:
I disagree. While E3 isn't the Superbowl it's still a means to an end and that's getting the message about upcoming products out there. Whether people see the announcements/trailers on Youtube or in a magazine etc, etc it's still an industry event to spread the word.
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Right, so how does E3 differ from any other non-E3 press event?

Nintendo: Here is the information
Media: Okay, lets report it!
Customers: Look at this information about Nintendo on Gamespot, Gameinformer, IGN....

That is the exact reason why having a big 1 hour conference is unnecessary. The information extracted from it is all that matters.

None of the previous Nintendo Direct events have gotten anything like that amount of traction with the media. Even the Nintendo 3DS XL reveal was muted and while that was an iteration rather than new hardware these events are aimed squarely at Nintendo fans.
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Would you expect them to gain as much traction as E3? and more importantly, how is any of this relevant? Nintendo is not skipping E3, they are just not putting on a 1 hour presentation but instead multiple shorter presentations. They are still on the floor. Their game footage will be on every single video games website.

I don't see how Nintendo's significant downsizing this year can be seen as anything other than capitulation. But let's approach it from a different angle. What happens if Nintendo have a Direct conference because they have nothing to show that can compete with the MS and Sony announcements?
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What can compete with Sony and MS is entirely down to the individual isn't it? Do I think Nintendo can bring out something that is more compelling than what Sony did in February? In other words, can they show more compelling software than DriveClub, Knack, and KillZone 4? LOL, yes. But that is down to me right?

Where does that sit with Nintendo fans?
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I don't know because it is a hypothetical that has already been disproved. As a Nintendo fan myself, if they 30 seconds of Smash Bros 4 and a new Mario and a new Kart, well that have already done more than compete with Sony and MS if all those two are going to do is trot out stuff like Killzone 4, Drive Club and Knack.

These titles are LITERALLY what I was talking about. None of those titles are going to sell WiiUs to people who don't already own a WiiU or aren't already Nintendo fans with intent to buy.
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Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade 2, Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem?

These are hardly casual focused titles. And lets put something straight. Nintendo isn't aiming for the non-casual anyway. If anything they are desperately trying to get that casual audience back, the people who do not watch E3 and never have.

These titles will get next to no traction with the mainstream media when MS and Sony (and ALL the third parties) show next gen titles and new IPs.
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The fact that you think games like Killzone 4 or DriveClub would get significantly more traction than a new Mario Kart is a little delusional. Sony's first party IP do not sell worth a shit compared to Nintendos. Mario Kart 7 has sold more copies than 95% of Sony's first party IP.
 
If Nintendo markets and times this well I feel it could work pretty well. Ill miss their e3 conferences but if we get the same info in a much tighter package I can't complain much
 
HawthorneKitty said:
Yup, nobody can be persuaded to the other side; we all made up our minds before clicking into the thread.
We just argue for the sake of arguing.

Welcome to the Internet.
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Pretty much nailed it

Side A: Wow Nintendo is throwing in the towel, they are giving up/tapping out. They have nothing to show, too embarrassed to even try to compete with the other 2, going third party any day now. What a dumb move!

Side B: Wow this is a great idea! E3 is pointless anyway, Nintendo will kick ass through ND and smaller conferences, they do not want to embarrass the other 2 with their awesome games. What a smart move!


Of course neither are true, my only reaction is disappointment purely from a entertainment view. As i really love watching these each year, either they are awesome or they are so bad that they are awesome. Regardless i was always entertained one way or another, and Nintendo delivered plenty of that.
 
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