Nintendo ditches main E3 conference, still there with games, press events, N-Direct

I agree with this post. I also fully understand that Nintendo will be in attendance and will have several smaller events, which will be covered by the press (before someone accuses me of believing otherwise). It doesn't help mitigate the feeling that, all in all, Nintendo isn't looking to create as much noise this year. They are showing weakness. This is not a bold new endeavor. This is a result of budget cuts and lack of a significant third party lineup. At E3, I do not look forward to things like in depth explanations of the rules of Luigi's Ghost Mansion. I want exciting new announcements along with short trailers, sizzle reels, etc. There's plenty of show floor coverage for extended gameplay demonstrations.

Iwata is the anti-hype. He did a horrendous job of creating hype for Wii U in between its reveal at 2011 and E3 2012. There was basically no hype going into launch either. Perhaps part of it is the belief, as Reggie put it, that we Nintendo fans can never be satisfied, so hype just ends up creating backlash. Perhaps part of it is denial on Iwata's part; the belief that if we just understood games like Nintendoland (and the Wii U console as a whole), their sales would be skyrocketing at the moment. I don't think that's it, though. Nintendo continue to produce great products, but there are many indications that they are on cruise control in many regards. For once, I would like to see Nintendo exceed fan expectations. They have so many resources and creative minds there. The last time I can legitimately remember this happening is Smash Bros Brawl with its ridiculous amount of content. It's true that Brawl isn't perfect in implementation, but there is hardly anything that I could think to ask for in that game that wasn't included as part of the package. I'll reserve judgement for now, but the fact that Mario Kart and 3D Mario are both coming this fiscal year has me a bit worried.

Have you watched the recent few Nintendo Directs? Because you're describing what you want and it's that. Your description of what you don't want sounds like a live stage presentation.
 
Maybe you should try the same. How does contradict anything I said?




They're just showing off their showfloor games selection for selected media.
You asked what people were excited about when all they announced was two closed meetings when they specifically said they would be holding an event streaming
online showing off their lineup to gamers. Kind of like what their on stage show would have done anyway. That's obviously the part people are excited about.

We are getting an event showing off all the games without it being bogged down by sales charts and numbers.
 
Yeah, that's what I inferred from Scibetta's statement. Wonder how they'll handle the timing of the corresponding ND.

Nintendo Direct.. streamed for people online

Open floor for the media while doing their business presentation at Nokia theater at same time

This way everyone has the same info
The ones who need to respond with hands on get to play as soon as conf ends
And those who need to understand their vision can do the Nokia theater thing is my idea
 
I wish Nintendo would use their conference time to just do like a live nintendo direct in front of a huge crowd. just games for an hour straight. even if they don't have any surprises, they have enough 3ds and wii u games in the pipeline to impress a lot of people (retro's game, wonderful 101, smash, 3d mario, mario kart, bayonetta 2, fe x smt, X, etc). Damn.

And I don't see what's so great about showing off their showfloor games to selected media when they can do that during the 3 days of E3. cmon man
 
So this means...?

New statement.

So down to 1 booth (which is the smaller of the previous 2), no large conference (2 small investor conferences), and hands on only for invited media people.

Sounds super attractive....... (not)

I hope nintendo is successful in the future, but downsizing to less than half of it's formor self is not the way to go about doing it.
 
Goodnight hype train...

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E3 presentations are good for getting mainstream press coverage. It is what Microsoft have been pretty good at in the past few years, and it is what Nintendo may miss out on by not doing a keynote.
 
But that's assuming that game sales scale to the hardware sale.
It did increase and by a decent margin, but it wasn't gonna quadruple along with the Wii sales
Ofcourse not. Because the Nintendo fanbase isn't going to suddenly quadruple over one generation. That was his point.
I don't see why his statement should be seen as something negative. It's more a testimony of an insanely high attach rate it had on the gamecube. Halo, as well, had a very high attach rate on the xbox.

You see the opposite as well:
gran turismo 4 sold 11 million on a 120 million PS2 install base
gran turismo 5 sold 9 million on a 60 million PS3 install base

Fanservice games typically do very stable numbers because they are less dependant of platform popularity than other games (mostly third party games).
 
I'm beginning to think Nintendo is going to release playable demos of Mario 3D, Kart, Retro's new thing, and maybe even Smash.

Theres more than a wink and a nod to the "exciting new ways to get our message to home audience" and lord knows WiiU owners want to be given reasons to still own the system.

Perhaps the Rayman Challenge Mode release is a bit of a precursor and Iwata has paid attention.
 
Just unlike every year. They'll just have booths up for media without any extra hassle that the showfloor brings. Probably more Nintendo personnel too taking them through these games.

I don't know how I feel about this, I just hope Nintendo knows what they are doing because they really need people to know what the Wii U, maybe airing Nintendo Direct on TV would bring wonders.
 
I'm beginning to think Nintendo is going to release playable demos of Mario 3D, Kart, Retro's new thing, and maybe even Smash.

Theres more than a wink and a nod to the "exciting new ways to get our message to home audience" and lord knows WiiU owners want to be given reasons to still own the system.

It's really funny that this is a "exciting new way to get our message to the home audience" when other developers and publishers have been doing this for 20+ years, lol
 
I'm beginning to think Nintendo is going to release playable demos of Mario 3D, Kart, Retro's new thing, and maybe even Smash.

Theres more than a wink and a nod to the "exciting new ways to get our message to home audience" and lord knows WiiU owners want to be given reasons to still own the system.

I seriously hope they'll do that.

It's really funny that this is a "exciting new way to get our message to the home audience" when other developers and publishers have been doing this for 20+ years, lol

Releasing demos of their games they're showing on E3 for everyone to download? I don't think it's that common.
 
I'm beginning to think Nintendo is going to release playable demos of Mario 3D, Kart, Retro's new thing, and maybe even Smash.

Theres more than a wink and a nod to the "exciting new ways to get our message to home audience" and lord knows WiiU owners want to be given reasons to still own the system.

Perhaps the Rayman Challenge Mode release is a bit of a precursor and Iwata has paid attention.

And that would make people like me buy a Wii U sooner rather than later.
 
Personally, i don't really mind this as Nintendo doesn't know how to do a good E3 conference anyway and they have no 3rd party support which is the big one. Without any 3rd party support, what even the point of holding a huge conference to announce your own games. On the other hand, Nintendo is going to be completely ignored by the media even more so than usual because of the "next gen" E3 going on,
 
It's really funny that this is a "exciting new way to get our message to the home audience" when other developers and publishers have been doing this for 20+ years, lol

Devs and pubs have been releasing downloadable E3 demos of games unreleased? That's news to me!
 
Releasing demos of their games they're showing on E3 for everyone to download? I don't think it's that common.

True. I mean just demos in general. E3 demos would be sick tho.

But this is coming from someone who loves his wii u and it wouldn't make a difference if I got demos or not, I'd buy all those games
 
Have you watched the recent few Nintendo Directs? Because you're describing what you want and it's that. Your description of what you don't want sounds like a live stage presentation.

I don't know how I feel about Nintendo Directs. I appreciate the information they provide, of course, but they just seem so...subdued. It's like FDR Fireside Chats. A great concept, but did they take the place of the State of the Union Address? Hell no!

And has been stated by others, "live" is always better for creating buzz.
 
It's really funny that this is a "exciting new way to get our message to the home audience" when other developers and publishers have been doing this for 20+ years, lol

Theres been a lot more "controlling the message and effect" of demos this generation. I remember playing demos of big games that were half a year away but being released on magazine fronts, while nowadays pubs just want to drop them the month before release in the belief thats what drives hype to omega level.

Its pure positive press of course. Devs create these demos for limited trade show audiences, and then they get a little more polish and that same demo is what gets released online. Big Nintendo titles rarely ever get demos though, so this is going to be a sort of "fanbase loses its mind over something everyone else does" scenario, much like everyone going nuts about a certain ROM being uploaded for their finished emulator system to buy.

There'll also be enough fence sitting CAN'T RESIST WIIU NOW people that will buy the hardware just to play Mario 3D or whatever 3 months earlier than a planned release date. Make it a Challenge Map thing, and you've got at least something to swing dicks around with while Sony and Microsoft are promoting boxes and games you cant demo at all because its new hardware. With direct screenshot posting abilities, you'll get the usual suspects doing Nintendo's promotional job on every forum known to man over and over again. Militarising their fanbase is and always has been Nintendo's secret weapon: see also Luigi Caps.

We'll see. I've given Nintendo the benefit of the doubt over WiiU and "actually having a plan" way too many times.
 
I'm beginning to think Nintendo is going to release playable demos of Mario 3D, Kart, Retro's new thing, and maybe even Smash.

Theres more than a wink and a nod to the "exciting new ways to get our message to home audience" and lord knows WiiU owners want to be given reasons to still own the system.

Perhaps the Rayman Challenge Mode release is a bit of a precursor and Iwata has paid attention.

Didn't Microsoft used to do something similar with the Bringing It Home thing once? It would be a great idea to do something similar.

EDIT: Actually that may just be me remembering things wrong since I recall there being a demo in 2006 of Sonic, yet it might have been to coincide with his anniversary rather than E3.
 
Playable demos vs. Powerpoint promises. It seems that people want more the promises.

I just want demos and release dates.
 
So we dont get a live presentation with crowd and all? Shame it true :/ i like the directs but i also like the size of e3 and the crowd that goes nuts..
 
I don't know how I feel about this. I will certainly miss a presentation from Nintendo. It strikes me that it'll be difficult to keep track of their announcements, or that they'll get lost in the shuffle. A full-blown hour-long Direct in the middle of the conference would be great though, thanks.
 
Didn't Microsoft used to do something similar with the Bringing It Home thing once? It would be a great idea to do something similar.

EDIT: Actually that may just be me remembering things wrong since I recall there being a demo in 2006 of Sonic, yet it might have been to coincide with his anniversary rather than E3.

At their first E3 since the 360's release, they released demos for Test Drive: Unlimited and Lost Planet, which were unreleased at that time.
 
So what exactly do you guys think Nintendo can do to establish ""exciting new ways to get our message to the home audience?"

Been thinking about it, and it sounds like it is gonna be demos of e3 games on your wii u. That'd be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure that would induce anyone to go out and buy a wii u for a demo. I guess 3d Mario or even Retro's demo could do that if it is amazing enough though. If Mario Kart demo is online playable, that'd be even sweeter.
 
So we dont get a live presentation with crowd and all? Shame it true :/ i like the directs but i also like the size of e3 and the crowd that goes nuts..

That's how I feel as well. I like the big spectacle and all that jazz. Makes it fun.

The more hands on intimate stuff does sound good for the core gamer in me though. Looking forward to all the new software.
 
So what exactly do you guys think Nintendo can do to establish ""exciting new ways to get our message to the home audience?"

Been thinking about it, and it sounds like it is gonna be demos of e3 games on your wii u. That'd be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure that would induce anyone to go out and buy a wii u for a demo. I guess 3d Mario or even Retro's demo could do that if it is amazing enough though. If Mario Kart demo is online playable, that'd be even sweeter.

I'm thinking Directs with some "you can download a demo of this game for you Wii U right after this presentation is over". Would be pretty sweet.
 
So what exactly do you guys think Nintendo can do to establish ""exciting new ways to get our message to the home audience?"

Been thinking about it, and it sounds like it is gonna be demos of e3 games on your wii u. That'd be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure that would induce anyone to go out and buy a wii u for a demo. I guess 3d Mario or even Retro's demo could do that if it is amazing enough though. If Mario Kart demo is online playable, that'd be even sweeter.

you... you literally just read me say that. You replied even!
 
So what exactly do you guys think Nintendo can do to establish ""exciting new ways to get our message to the home audience?"

Been thinking about it, and it sounds like it is gonna be demos of e3 games on your wii u. That'd be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure that would induce anyone to go out and buy a wii u for a demo. I guess 3d Mario or even Retro's demo could do that if it is amazing enough though. If Mario Kart demo is online playable, that'd be even sweeter.

It would sure make alot of us feel better about our $350 Wii U purchases, though. SMH that I passed on 3DS day 1, and now can't afford one, yet I scooped up the U immediately. Talk about your poor decisions...

(I still love my Wii U, btw. It's just that sometimes I feel it doesn't love me back.)
 
Saw it. Hmm. This could be very interesting.

Can you imagine Nintendo dropping one tidbit before MS and Sony's show? And when those two are done, another one? I'm warming up to the idea.

Seems more like they don't want journalists at the conference because if they are, they're going to be portrayed as the major losers when every outlet does their post-E3 conference report cards. Not that they still won't, but at least now Reggie can go onto Spike TV and tell Geoff, "This wasn't intended for gamers/journalists. It was for vendors. Don't compare, hata."

People can spin it any way they want, but there's a reason it's being done this year and not implemented last year.
 
New PR.

As you’ve already seen, a lot of news about Nintendo games and services that traditionally would be held until E3 is being delivered this year through Nintendo Directs, and various press events. This approach will continue between now and E3. No matter where you are in the world, you’ll be fully informed.

So Nintendo will have more Nintendo Directs before E3.
 
I'm thinking Directs with some "you can download a demo of this game for you Wii U right after this presentation is over". Would be pretty sweet.

But if I don't own the console and know nothing of nintendo directs, how does this make me want a Wii U?

It is a good thing for current owners if it turns out to be the case.
 
you... you literally just read me say that. You replied even!

lol, you're right. you literally posted the same thing. I was just seeing if others thought the same, is all. my bad. I did think that what they meant by the "exciting and new for our home fans" was demos after I first read it, though
 
But if I don't own the console and know nothing of nintendo directs, how does this make me want a Wii U?

It is a good thing for current owners if it turns out to be the case.

They just need to make people informed of Directs. Somehow people tuned in to watch the PS4 reveal too. That wasn't E3. Granted it was bigger event but the principle is the same.
 
2000 posts. I guess I'm surprised that people care so much about the E3 tradition.

There seems to be a lot of embarrassment in this thread. I wonder if that's part of the reason why people are so anxious about Nintendo recently.
 
Just in case this thread gets locked, I want to say thanks GAF for all the incredibly insane comments. You've made my work day that much less productive
 
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