Only three games on the PS2 sold more than Brawl on a userbase that is 33% larger.
So it seems like they are doing everything as normal.. but having 2 smaller events instead of one big one?
That just re-enforces the point. It wasnt the mainstream gamer that bought a Gamecube, and it sold 8million smash games to that tiny install base.
Wii has a massive install base with majority mainstream casual gamers (My parent bought one)
and only managed to increase that number by 2 million?
Its die hard nintendo fans that buy the smash games.
At this stage the best Nintendo can hope for with the Wiiu is to match the success of the Gamecube by relying on their tried and true games like smash. The die hard fans will buy them.
Meanwhile the mainstream has moved on after playing Wii sports a couple of times with their friends.
You mean the same mass audience that has collectively ignored the system since its launch?
I am really not sure if even Nintendo thinks that audience can be brought back.
So it seems like they are doing everything as normal.. but having 2 smaller events instead of one big one?
Some people don't believe spin.
This seems like a can't win argument
"It sold 8 million on the Cube.. ah-ha only Nintendo fans bought it!"
"It sold 11 million on the Wii.. ah-ha it should have sold 24 million because of the larger install base even though that's not how it traditionally works, but proves only appeals to Nintendo fans!"
So it seems like they are doing everything as normal.. but having 2 smaller events instead of one big one?
Talk about "little to no reading comprehension" and delivering one.
Everyone loves E3. It's our Superbowl. It's our Wrestlemania. It's our Oscars. It's our Comic-Con. There is no such thing as people looking forward to "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". If you do not understand why people look forward to those things then you don't know what E3 is all about. E3 is a celebration of what's new and what's upcoming. It's an event where developers showcase what's coming up in the next few years or decades. It's not only for gamers but also for developers, press and investors alike. E3 is not a distraction. You state they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, yet they are a no-show at an event where Sony and Microsoft are going to show their new consoles and games to the masses.
You say that gaming is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" and doesn't fit Nintendo; and I humbly disagree. If Nintendo isn't mainstream, I don't know what is. Everyone has been looking forward to this year's E3 because its the year Nintendo (and others) is suppose to showcase what's coming for them. It's suppose to tell the gamers and WiiU owners that every console in its first 5 months suffered the same fate, and that they are more than willing to show what they have coming up.
The fact of the matter is that conferences come first, booths come later, and off-the-floor announcements are last. There is no over analysis here and there is no painting the narrative. Not having a conference shows no confidence in what they're doing regardless of how many "Nintendo Directs" they have. Nintendo's main market is the casual, yet they are forgetting that these casuals and families don't read IGN or NeoGAF to get all the scoop. These casuals read New York Times and Forbes and Bloomberg, and watch CNN or FOX. E3 is covered in all of these media, and there is always a section or two dedicated to what was shown at the conference. No one cares about the floor as we can't be at the floor now, can we?
Long story short, as much as I respect Nintendo saying "we don't need E3 conferences", they needed one this year, and the lack of one-upping Microsoft and Sony's new console reveals show lack of confidence in what they have. They want to feed audience in burst of monthly or quarterly online pre-recorded discussions that will be watched and forgotten. "Who won the E3?" is the biggest question every year, and Nintendo isn't even competing this year.
"The meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols" is what GAF produces, and it's fun, but what we (or I personally) look forward to is the amazing spectacles, the exclusives, the new games and new techs, the innovative games, the acquisitions, the mergers, the shock and awe, the wow factor and the forecast showcasing what to expect years ahead. It's always fun seeing a Sony or Nintendo or Microsoft fanboy show their true color and cry or laugh about each other and the revelations, but we are not the mass audience. We barely are the voice of reason, and our buying power is less than 1% of what Nintendo is used to with Wii.
TL;DR: E3 is something we all look forward to. There will be one less conference to watch and no one will even miss it by the time everyone else is done. It's a missed opportunity and I hope it doesn't bite them back, especially with the latest numbers and corporate changes.
Personal opinion. Hope I didn't offend you.
I get what you're saying and a couple of
years ago I would have agreed with you. But the last few E3s have been terrible on almost all fronts. Remember last year when Ubisoft won E3? The only reason there's as much hype for E3 this year is because of the new
consoles, if Sony and Microsoft didn't have those ready all people would be talking about is how bad last years E3 was. I take off
for E3 every year and until it was revealed that new consoles were going to be shown I was fully prepared to skip out on watching E3.
It needs some shaking up, I really hope this catches on and Microsoft and Sony follow
suit. Hell, they're already announcing the
new consoles at events prior to E3. And I think that if the ND is at the same time that their regular conference would be on then people aren't going to miss anything.
If they hold a private showing about games specially tailored to gamers then we wont have pages in the conference thread filled
with "UGH USHER", "WHY ARE THERE SO MANY CHARTS?" and "WHERE ARE THE
GAMES?"
To me it just seems like they're just cutting down all the info they would show in one big show and portioning it out directly to the people that are interested in it.
EDIT: Oh and people need to stop saying that E3 is our Oscars/Super Bowl/Wrestlemania. Its on in the middle of the day in the middle of the week. Most people are at work. How many people do you know that throw E3 parties where everyone comes and watches?
The important thing about E3 is the
information that comes out of it. Sure, people like us who sit on video game forums all day enjoy the spectacle of it all, but the general public isn't watching the E3 conferences. They're picking up the info from websites after the fact.
Keep in mind that the PS2 sold 50 Million more systems than the Wii and it only had 3 games that outsold SSBB. Also it outsold titles like Halo which is considered Microsoft's biggest system seller.8 million on the cube is an incredible number, dont think Im taking away from that. The game is massively successful.
It just seems odd that a game that sold so much on a sytem that had such a low adoption rate didnt see a massive increase. The new system was the biggest seller, surely smash should have sold much more if it really has that mainstream appeal like people in this thread are claiming?
Wait, where did you get this?So it seems like they are doing everything as normal.. but having 2 smaller events instead of one big one?
That just re-enforces the point. It wasnt the mainstream gamer that bought a Gamecube, and it sold 8million smash games to that tiny install base.
Wii has a massive install base with majority mainstream casual gamers (My parents bought one) and only managed to increase that number by 2 million?
Its die hard nintendo fans that buy the smash games.
At this stage the best Nintendo can hope for with the Wiiu is to match the success of the Gamecube by relying on their tried and true games like smash. The die hard fans will buy them.
Meanwhile the mainstream has moved on after playing Wii sports a couple of times with their friends.
But that's assuming that game sales scale to the hardware sale.8 million on the cube is an incredible number, dont think Im taking away from that. The game is massively successful.
It just seems odd that a game that sold so much on a sytem that had such a low adoption rate didnt see a massive increase. The new system was the biggest seller, surely smash should have sold much more if it really has that mainstream appeal like people in this thread are claiming?
Source of this?
Wait, where did you get this?
Wait, where did you get this?
The site you GO to for Nintendo news emailed Nintendo and got that response back.Wait, where did you get this?
it might also mean that they have no confidence in what they have to show by that time when compared to what Sony and Microsoft might be bringing?
Saw it. Hmm. This could be very interesting.
Can you imagine Nintendo dropping one tidbit before MS and Sony's show? And when those two are done, another one? I'm warming up to the idea.
So it seems like they are doing everything as normal.. but having 2 smaller events instead of one big one?
Also, I would like to use this opportunity to talk about this year’s E3.
In the past we invited reporters, investors and analysts, industry partners, such as software publishers, and distributors who attended E3 to our large-scale presentations. We also used them as a communication tool in which we broadcast our presentations on the Internet to reach out to video game fans around the globe. I believe that many are expecting us to host a similar event this year.
On the other hand, since we set out on new endeavors such as Nintendo Direct two years ago in October, we have been paying special attention to the fact that different people demand different types of information from us. For example, as video game fans are looking for information about games, it seems that they are less interested in sales figures that investors and analysts on the other hand attach much greater importance to, and distribution partners are looking for information on how we are going to market our products in the immediate future. At previous financial briefing sessions we announced information about our products, showed videos and even uploaded the recording of these events onto our website, but given that we now have an established method such as Nintendo Direct, we feel that we will be able to deliver our messages more appropriately and effectively by doing so individually based on the various needs of different groups of people.
At E3 this year, we are not planning to launch new hardware, and our main activity at E3 will be to announce and have people experience our software. Many people are certainly very interested in learning more about the Wii U titles that we are going to announce. We will use E3 as an ideal opportunity to talk in detail mainly about the Wii U titles that we are going to launch this year, and we also plan to make it possible for visitors to try the games immediately. As a brand new challenge, we are working to establish a new presentation style for E3.
First, we decided not to host a large-scale presentation targeted at everyone in the international audience where we announce new information as we did in the past.
Instead, at the E3 show this year, we are planning to host a few smaller events that are specifically focused on our software lineup for the U.S. market. There will be one closed event for American distributors, and we will hold another closed hands-on experience event, for mainly the Western gaming media. Also, I did not speak at last year’s presentation, and I am not planning to speak at these events at the E3 show this year either. Apart from these exclusive events for visitors, we are continuing to investigate ways to deliver information about our games directly to our home audience around the time of E3. We will share more information about them once they have officially been decided.
During the E3 period, we will utilize our direct communication tools, such as Nintendo Direct, to deliver information to our Japanese audience, including those who are at this financial briefing, mainly focusing on the software that we are going to launch in Japan, and we will take the same approach outside Japan for the overseas fans as well.
This deserves its own thread since no one is going to read or discuss about this here. They are only going to come in and rant about the thread title.So it seems like they are doing everything as normal.. but having 2 smaller events instead of one big one?
Pretty much. But those two events will be tailored to two different audiences. They're just not doing the traditional big long, all encompassing press conference is all. Honestly, the amount of people in this thread who just haven't read it properly is mind numbing.
"There will be one closed event for American distributors, and we will hold another closed hands-on experience event, for mainly the Western gaming media"
Which one do you guys belong to for getting excited?
Did you? This was literally in the same paragraph.It is stated pretty clearly in the OP that they'll be holding two CLOSED events for distributors and the media. Did you read the OP?
Apart from these exclusive events for visitors, we are continuing to investigate ways to deliver information about our games directly to our home audience around the time of E3
Closed as in, we don't get free access to it? That's like every E3 press conference/show floor in history.
You're thinking of the term "closed-door" which is where nothing is shown to the general public.
Did you? This was literally in the same paragraph.
i just don't even understand the concept referring to people who might purchase nintendo games as being "nintendo fans". nintendo stuff infiltrates all gaming pop culture. it isn't something you can marginalize. even people who've never bought a nintendo game in their lives is in the pool of people who may purchase Smash due to this forced exposure.
Talk about "little to no reading comprehension" and delivering one.
Everyone loves E3. It's our Superbowl. It's our Wrestlemania. It's our Oscars. It's our Comic-Con. There is no such thing as people looking forward to "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". If you do not understand why people look forward to those things then you don't know what E3 is all about. E3 is a celebration of what's new and what's upcoming. It's an event where developers showcase what's coming up in the next few years or decades. It's not only for gamers but also for developers, press and investors alike. E3 is not a distraction. You state they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, yet they are a no-show at an event where Sony and Microsoft are going to show their new consoles and games to the masses.
You say that gaming is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" and doesn't fit Nintendo; and I humbly disagree. If Nintendo isn't mainstream, I don't know what is. Everyone has been looking forward to this year's E3 because its the year Nintendo (and others) is suppose to showcase what's coming for them. It's suppose to tell the gamers and WiiU owners that every console in its first 5 months suffered the same fate, and that they are more than willing to show what they have coming up.
The fact of the matter is that conferences come first, booths come later, and off-the-floor announcements are last. There is no over analysis here and there is no painting the narrative. Not having a conference shows no confidence in what they're doing regardless of how many "Nintendo Directs" they have. Nintendo's main market is the casual, yet they are forgetting that these casuals and families don't read IGN or NeoGAF to get all the scoop. These casuals read New York Times and Forbes and Bloomberg, and watch CNN or FOX. E3 is covered in all of these media, and there is always a section or two dedicated to what was shown at the conference. No one cares about the floor as we can't be at the floor now, can we?
Long story short, as much as I respect Nintendo saying "we don't need E3 conferences", they needed one this year, and the lack of one-upping Microsoft and Sony's new console reveals show lack of confidence in what they have. They want to feed audience in burst of monthly or quarterly online pre-recorded discussions that will be watched and forgotten. "Who won the E3?" is the biggest question every year, and Nintendo isn't even competing this year.
"The meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols" is what GAF produces, and it's fun, but what we (or I personally) look forward to is the amazing spectacles, the exclusives, the new games and new techs, the innovative games, the acquisitions, the mergers, the shock and awe, the wow factor and the forecast showcasing what to expect years ahead. It's always fun seeing a Sony or Nintendo or Microsoft fanboy show their true color and cry or laugh about each other and the revelations, but we are not the mass audience. We barely are the voice of reason, and our buying power is less than 1% of what Nintendo is used to with Wii.
TL;DR: E3 is something we all look forward to. There will be one less conference to watch and no one will even miss it by the time everyone else is done. It's a missed opportunity and I hope it doesn't bite them back, especially with the latest numbers and corporate changes.
Personal opinion. Hope I didn't offend you.
Rich (@RichIGN) said:Nintendo just told me its media presentation at E3 is basically opening its booth early. Same time/day as its press conference would be.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. You're going to have to reword what youre saying.And you think this is live streaming hands-on experience for western gaming media? Not for example Directs?
Wow....Nintendo really needed an E3 this year to show people what they had coming out.
Shows how much faith they have in their products if they don't want to go up against Microsoft and Sony.
As you’ve already seen, a lot of news about Nintendo games and services that traditionally would be held until E3 is being delivered this year through Nintendo Directs, and various press events. This approach will continue between now and E3. No matter where you are in the world, you’ll be fully informed. We look forward to continuing to provide you with Nintendo news and content in ways you haven’t before experienced. Beyond the news that will be communicated through Nintendo Direct videos in the run up to E3, at the show itself we’re hosting two smaller events on Tuesday morning before the LACC opens instead of just our traditional one event. A media event and a partner presentation will both occur that morning. While the audiences will be different between the two events, both will occur on the Tuesday morning of E3 (June 11) which is the date and time period the public has come to expect for Nintendo to deliver E3 news.
At the Nokia theater we’ll meet with business partners (retailers, publishers, analysts, etc.) from the NOA territory and discuss our plans for driving the business and providing tailored information that this group finds useful to their operations. Nintendo has done these same type of business meetings at past E3 shows, but has not in the past few years. This year we are returning to that business partner meeting format. New this year at our booth in the LACC, prior to the show opening, we’ll invite a small group of media to play our games. We will have a strong line-up of beloved franchise experiences available for immediate hands-on play. We are continuing to consider exciting new ways to bring the news of our games and information directly to the players at home during the E3 timeframe, and will have more to say about that at a later date.”
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. You're going to have to reword what youre saying.
contradict anything I said?Apart from these exclusive events for visitors, we are continuing to investigate ways to deliver information about our games directly to our home audience around the time of E3
So this means...?
I'm sure Evilore is pleased that a rather large swath of the members that visit his website (at least Gaming side) possess little to no reading comprehension.
Anyways, at first I was perplexed and then displeased of this information. After sifting through the absolute cesspool that the thread has devolved into, I've seen some posts that change my perspective of the situation. E3 is becoming increasingly less of a successful venture for Nintendo, seeing as the culture of gaming itself is becoming more mainstream and "dudebroish" if you will. Nintendo had probably assessed what they've planned to showcase this year and have decided that they would best be shown in direct formats with the fanbase. They most likely don't have any blockbuster announcements or partnerships that would be better suited for an audience that is mostly press shills anyways.
The spectacle of E3 is entertaining sure, but all it does is distract us from what we claim to love the most: games. Hell, look at all of the "What are you looking forward to the most at E3 2013" threads. A lot of the posts are "the meltdowns" or "the gifs" or "the lols". Nintendo doesn't need that right now, as they have a console in desperate need of a resurgence, showing up with sales talk, investor fellating, and their general goofy flair isn't going to cut it.
They will have a presence, and some impressive software will be shown, and as much as we like to rail the gaming press, they won't be stupid enough to not cover Nintendo because they don't have an overly fluffy hour presentation. GAF moans about the lack of game showcases anyways, so why is a format that is likely to be more game focused such a bad idea? It's not so much "lol Ninty's giving up" as its just Ninty going with yet another gamble. Will it pay off? We'll find out in less than 2 months.
But yeah, most of you will continue to over analyze and paint whatever narrative you want, and this thread will continue to circle a sad drain :/