blizzardjesus
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Sunshine had great level designand music, but over all the game was hampered by the forced gimmick and mechanics of F.L.U.D.D. Which in turn sullied and ruined a game that could have been great.
Super Mario 3D Land is the best Mario game since Mario 64.
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Sunshine had great level designand music, but over all the game was hampered by the forced gimmick and mechanics of F.L.U.D.D. Which in turn sullied and ruined a game that could have been great.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Mario Galaxy 2 is better imho, but both are 10/10 games
MoGamesXNA
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I'm glad the OP feels that way but I have to strongly disagree. Mario 64, SMG 1 are two of my favourite games of all time.
Super Mario 3D Land on the other hand was really disappointing to me. I love the Mario franchise and I'm a huge handheld gamer so I was really looking forward to the next 3D entry but it didn't click with me at all.
The change in focus from exploration to point-to-point gameplay is probably my main point of contention. There was no sense of wonder in SM3DL.
I did like the 3D though, especially dropping from heights. If they add 3D TV support to the next mainline console entry I'll be happy.
Super Mario 3D Land on the other hand was really disappointing to me. I love the Mario franchise and I'm a huge handheld gamer so I was really looking forward to the next 3D entry but it didn't click with me at all.
The change in focus from exploration to point-to-point gameplay is probably my main point of contention. There was no sense of wonder in SM3DL.
I did like the 3D though, especially dropping from heights. If they add 3D TV support to the next mainline console entry I'll be happy.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I cannot fault 3D Land for the visuals which really shine with the 3D effect turned on (lighting wise especially) and I have to say that level after level I was being surprised and entertained quite a lot
. The only thing I really minded was the run button... I still do not feel like it belongs in 3D Mario games.TheLastCandle
Member
LOVE 3D Land, but the Galaxy games are in another league.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yes, aside from the run button there was another thing I did not like that much in SM3DLand... and the lower focus on exploration and adventure you have in SM64 is not really there. Sometimes there is stuff you can discover, there is exploration you can do, but the timer does kind of push you to reach the finish line of the level rather than wander around. They should have added a no timer DLC mode at least.
While I still like Galaxy 1 and 2 a bit more, this is what I love about 3D Land. It's the classic Mario formula in 3D and that's what I always dreamed about since the N64. Mario is supposed to have a level with a goal he has to reach, not some big playground with some stars!
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
I wouldn't mind a mix of both to be honest. 3D Land still rewarded exploration and a lot of levels skewed more towards open playgrounds.
Regardless, I agree with you that the goal system works incredibly well in 3D. Landing the jump on the flagpole is all sorts of satisfying. It baffles me that the 2D Mario formula wasn't translated sooner.
Scofield94941
Member
I have a serious soft spot/ nostalgia for Mario Sunshine. I got it the DAY before I started my first day of high school and it was really my last time I was a "kid". I rode my bike to Babbage's to get it and played all day. I love it to this day because of that day.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Sure...if you ignore both the galaxies.
MrGreencastle
Member
Problem with 3D Land is most people compare it to the other 3D Mario games, when it's actually just a 3D rendition of 2D Mario games. Compare it to those, instead - it's not better than Galaxy 1 & 2, imo.
I liked the streetpass time sharing aspect. Made the game really replayable. Along with the coin rush, NSMB2 should have copied that as well, though the 3D world does allow for more cutting of corners.
Isn't the beauty of powerups their optional nature. You can play the game just as regular Mario if you so wish.
Well, it looks and plays 3D.... therefore its a 3D Mario. There's nothing else to it.
Platinumstorm
Member
Yeah, I think it's fantastic as well, and I share the same sentiment. I do wish the beginning levels were more challenging, though.
But it plays closer to 2D Mario than 3D. Actually it's stupid to compare it to either. It's a completely new step for platformer Mario.
What I like about Galaxy and 3DLand is that Nintendo didn't just continue with the 3D platformer model they came up with with Mario64, but went back to the drawing table and came up with other ideas of how a 3D platformer can work.
I still say you should sod convention and just skip straight to Galaxy2 (if you can find it cheap). It fixes the problems with the hubworld and has a level select screen similar to the one in 3DLand.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
The only 3D Mario that I have no issue designating the "worse" is Sunshine. All the other titles are tied for first place really, but if I had to rank them...
SMG2 > 3D Land > SMG > 64 > Sunshine.
SMG2 > 3D Land > SMG > 64 > Sunshine.
FinalFanXtreme
Member
Sunshine is one of the best of the bunch. I don't get the hate at all. They are all great games!
This. I hope they have the time to do that with the Wii U 3D Mario too. They're no doubt in a hurry to get it out but hopefully it won't be just Galaxy 3 or something.
DigitalRicket
Member
I have no arguments against this FACT. I loved the crap out of this game, though I'm not sure why people thought the final unlockable stage was the bane of everyone's existence. Was it really that hard? Granted I had Tanooki suit on, but just curious?
I own it! I picked it up on day 1, same as SMG. Once I've finished NSMBU, I'll most likely give it a crack.
Tanooki makes everything easy.
Ok cool. Just didn't want you wasting money just because I said the level selection is streamlined. There may be other reasons it didn't click.
They already said they won't be announcing new hardware at E3. In my opinion XL is well worth the extra spending. So much better than the original.
Eh...they might decide to make a model the same size as the original but with all of the XL features. Nothing game changing like a second circle pad is going to be added though. If ya wanna wait, wait, but I sincerely doubt we're going to see much this year. And even so, the quality of the XL is already leagues above the original.
if you got the money sure
I dont know about the XL being worth an upgrade. It's certainly the way to go now for your first 3DS but if you already own an original model one and have no issues with it i'd say spend that money on games instead
GlamFM
Banned
I just don´t like how the original one feels. I also find it quite distracting that it´s glossy on the inside..
Will go to Saturn after work and check the XL out. Is the data transfer easy?
Yeah very easy.
Glass Rebel
Member
I like Galaxy 2 better because it takes a bit long until it becomes really good while the former is crazy right from the beginning.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I'm really surprised about the love 3d land gets here, i find Galaxy 2 to be one of the best games I have ever had the joy of playing, 3D Land never got there but it is fantastic too.
freezamite
Banned
Well, firstly, to compare 3D marios with 2D marios when they are two entirely different experiences is a big mistake.
New 2D mario are faster, with a deeper gameplay focused on mastering the timing of each scenario and with a great multiplayer experience.
3D mario focuse on different experiences, less jumping and more exploration, playing with concepts only possible in 3D (liquid physics on Sunshine, local planetary gravity in the Galaxys, etc.). Even 3DLand, which is a 3D-2D mario mix, has its own unique feel that makes it completely different than any other mario.
So at the end, saying that one formula is better than another one is just a matter of tastes, because in terms of quality, all those games are the BEST of their respective sub-genre.
New 2D mario are faster, with a deeper gameplay focused on mastering the timing of each scenario and with a great multiplayer experience.
3D mario focuse on different experiences, less jumping and more exploration, playing with concepts only possible in 3D (liquid physics on Sunshine, local planetary gravity in the Galaxys, etc.). Even 3DLand, which is a 3D-2D mario mix, has its own unique feel that makes it completely different than any other mario.
So at the end, saying that one formula is better than another one is just a matter of tastes, because in terms of quality, all those games are the BEST of their respective sub-genre.
Well imo Galaxy 1/2 are better games for sure, if you look it purely from a "which is a better game experience" standpoint.
However, 3D Land is pretty much perfect implementation of a Mario game designed for a handheld console, especially 3DS, everything about it fits perfectly for the platform. It's so good. I feel it works on this context better than say a Galaxy -like game would on a handheld.
However, 3D Land is pretty much perfect implementation of a Mario game designed for a handheld console, especially 3DS, everything about it fits perfectly for the platform. It's so good. I feel it works on this context better than say a Galaxy -like game would on a handheld.
Doczu
Member
Best portable Mario that isn't a port from the NES/SNES/N64? Yes.
Best Mario game? Surely not.
It has great levels (although the basic ones are far too easy), superb music (clocktower!) and amazing graphics, but it feels a bit rushed. There isn't much to do after beating the game. Yes, there are extra worlds, Luigi and stuff like that, but i feel it misses something... can't desribe what, but something does feel missing
Oh and the graphics. Man, that game made me just wander and sightsee. The last level, the desert ones (with the nice heat/light filter), coockies level. So good.
Best Mario game? Surely not.
It has great levels (although the basic ones are far too easy), superb music (clocktower!) and amazing graphics, but it feels a bit rushed. There isn't much to do after beating the game. Yes, there are extra worlds, Luigi and stuff like that, but i feel it misses something... can't desribe what, but something does feel missing
Oh and the graphics. Man, that game made me just wander and sightsee. The last level, the desert ones (with the nice heat/light filter), coockies level. So good.
Naked Snake
Member
I recently 100%-ed this game (holy fuck @ the Crown level), and while I'm not sure if I'd put it above Galaxy, it's definitely very, very high up there.
I switched from a black 3DS to a white 3DS XL a couple weeks ago
As a handheld device, it looks way better and feels so comfortable; I couldn't play any 3DS game longer than 20 minutes because my hand hurt - and now I can play for hours until the battery runs out
This is what the 3DS should have been in the first place; you should check it out
SonicMegaDrive
Member
It's really good, yeah.
I don't prefer it to the NSMB games, though. Mario in 2D is always more fun to me.
I don't prefer it to the NSMB games, though. Mario in 2D is always more fun to me.
GlamFM
Banned
Ok, fuck it. I´m gonna buy one after work. So many good games coming out - it will be worth it.
You sir just cost me 200!
Ok, fuck it. I´m gonna buy one after work. So many good games coming out - it will be worth it.
You sir just cost me 200€!
200 bucks well spent I'd say
Sold my old black 3DS + 2 games for 180€ and will never look back again. The 3DS XL is the best Nintendo handheld when it comes to build quality (my opinion) - love that damn thing