Thurott: $299 version of Xbox v.Next will come with a $15/mo XBLG sub, not $10

Ensoul said:
180 bucks a year. I am assuming a 2 year contract which means you're paying 659 for the system. Guess we have nothing to compare it to since we don't know the price of the system but I do know companies always make money off these deals. At this point I think the system will sell for $499.
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It all depends what's included in that contract, it may be more than just Xbox Live service.... I hope.

$500 + $120 would already cost you $620 after 2 years if you're an Xbox Live user, I don't think you'll be able to get discounted cards from Amazon or Buy.com once MS does away with it's point system.

If you're paying $500 cash, then go for it, don't charge your credit card and expect to save money unless you're paying it back right away, I'd much rather walk in with $300 bucks and buy games and accessories with the extra cash though.
 
flyinpiranha said:
Think it's a good strategy. I would rather own it outright without a contract but all people aren't me. I think this could work for a lot of people.

It's basically just a credit card at this point with the $40 extra you end up paying. Some people can't afford $560+games right of the gate but an extra $20/year and paying off monthly isn't that hard to do.

I mean shit, are people really pissed there is AN OPTION for others? Holy fuck.
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I agree, the xblg business model IS successful, and this seems to me a broader application of that model.
"Low" price for high penetration, then fidelization--->profit.

Sony has to do something similar, instead they will lose market big time in the States in my opinion.
 
Bunta said:
Except that's basically the only choice you have for phones.
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Not really. Buying an unlocked phone and using a prepaid plan is a viable option. Maybe not for the newest phones because of their unsubsidized prices, but I bought an iPhone 4 recently for $150 and pay a lot less per month than I would locked into a contract on Verizon or another provider.
 
I also heard that the $299 version requires a two year contract of:
1.) Any paid version of live
2.) An additional $10 a month


The $15 per month seems more likely. It puts things inline with their current contracted Xbox.
 
Quasar said:
Is it? I subscribe purely just for the instant collection of current games, not old stuff.
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PSN+ started years into the generation with 95% of their offerings being old current gen games and it still works that way now. At launch, what PS4 games are you expecting Sony to give you access to?
 
a Master Ninja said:
That matches the current subsidized Xbox 360 plan. Right now it is $99 out the door and $15 a month for 2 years. Don't interpret this as a change in Xbox Live pricing.
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Exactly...those that do the current $99 deal are those people that cannot afford the total cost of the unit itself, so instead they do this deal in order to get the unit. It is like getting credit. If you pay you minimum balance on a purchase, long term with interest you are paying a lot more for the item vs. buying it out right.

This is no different. It is clearly aimed at consumers that cannot shell out the entire cost of the unit and are willing to pay a little more because stretching the cost over a 2 year contract is attractive to some people.
 
Hanmik said:
but some people don´t have 499$ to spare for a new console (as a one time payment).. but they might have 299$ to spare, and then pay the rest over two years..
It´s a good deal for consumers and MS if you look at it rationally ..
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I doubt that their subsidized model is to target those who can't afford an extra $200, but those that don't have the foresight for long run costs.
 
So what happens when you buy into this subscription subsidized price BS and your system RROD's? I assume you are obligated to continue paying for your Live membership while you are dealing with the in's and out's of having your system serviced?
 
JHall said:
I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the general consensus around GAF. People here are so quick to trash Microsoft. But If you take a step back and look at it from a business prospective it's damn impressive.

I'll be most likely skipping next-gen and playing on my PC. I might dive in when I see more of Destiny though.
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It was a good idea when they first mentioned it with the 99 dollar 360. When I heard about that I was like "oh yea they will use that method next gen". Sony would be stupid not to at least look into it or use it themselves. Now will this model work for both of them? I don't know.


See contractts work for the cell phone industry because Cell phones are EVERYTHING today. People can't live without it. Consoles are still seen as just accesseries. Maybe with the all in 1 box MS could change that viewpoint but until then the public will just look at Consoles as a little side "Thing"


I'm actually interested if this model could work or will it flop. I hope both do MS/Sony do it
 
so at a certain point net-gen XBOX will be 'free' with a 2-year contract...

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Live is barely worth it for $40 a year. Why in god's name would I pay $15/month?

They'd better have some crazy free content or whatever for subscribers cause I could get both Netflix and Rdio for nearly the same price.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
PSN+ started years into the generation with 95% of their offerings being old current gen games and it still works that way now. At launch, what PS4 games are you expecting Sony to give you access to?
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I personally expect the PS3 to be capable of PSV/PSP emulation. So I guess PSV games or games on Gaikia to play PS3 games for starters.

We really have no idea. It's cool to speculate.
 
Sounds like a deal to me. I'd rather not drop $500 upfront, and $15/month is nothing. Even if it ends up costing a little more, it's over 2 years.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
PSN+ started years into the generation with 95% of their offerings being old current gen games and it still works that way now. At launch, what PS4 games are you expecting Sony to give you access to?
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That of course is a wrinkle that Sony will have to deal with. I don't know what they will do.
 
BloodMoney said:
So what happens when you buy into this subscription subsidized price BS and your system RROD's? I assume you are obligated to continue paying for your Live membership while you are dealing with the in's and out's of having your system serviced?
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they credit you back the money for the time you lost on current 360s as in give you an extra month for free
 
Alucrid said:
I doubt that their subsidized model is to target those who can't afford an extra $200, but those that don't have the foresight for long run costs.
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Ummm...it is no different that credit card companies man. That is the credit card companies entire life, to get those that don't have the foresight...and guess what it works. That is why people get into credit card issues because they use them because they cannot afford something outright on day 1, so they put it on a credit card and take care of the cost long term.
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
180 a year for online. sweet jesus.
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But you'll get 200$ discount. Nice cherry picking. It's like saying the console is 299$.


In the US you'll get an extra year warranty for that 'extra' 30$.

For us European: we already get that, so that doesn't make sense.

It really isn't a good deal. It's hardly a deal at all.
 
Tomcat said:
it will be interesting to watch how sony will handle ps+ for ps4
no bc means no games except maybe some first party ones
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What this have to do with a subscription plan?
Microsoft with the xblg is selling hot air.
Where is the content for them? Online multiplayer?

Asking honestly.
 
SummitAve said:
Sounds like a deal to me. I'd rather not drop $500 upfront, and $15/month is nothing. Even if it ends up costing a little more, it's over 2 years.
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And that will be the average customers thinking.

It's a smart business move, to be honest. I'd be really surprised if Sony don't try something similar; however Microsoft can leverage the perceived value of Xbox Live because of the brand's recognition. I don't think the average consumer really knows what PSN+ really is. Heck, we don't know if Sony will stick with the PSN+ branding next generation.
 
Alucrid said:
I doubt that their subsidized model is to target those who can't afford an extra $200, but those that don't have the foresight for long run costs.
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Don't have the foresight of long term costs? That's a bit of an exaggeration. It ends up being slightly more after a whole 2 years. Maybe it's for people who understand the present worth of money.
 
LittleJohnny said:
How do you know that you'll be able to get discounted cards once MS does away with their point system?
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You really think they would also get rid of Live Cards (which are separate from MS Point cards)?

If they make it to where you must pay for Live directly from the system, forget that. There's no way I'm giving MS my CC info. Nope.
 
Bleedorang3 said:
This thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514688

Edit: A quick search around the internet corroborates these numbers:

http://beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=63125
http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/308731-PS4-BOM-(bill-of-materials)

I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings. Sony is either losing money on a $399 price point or they're pricing it at $499 and making a profit (hopefully). $449 could see them make a slight loss to a slight profit, depending on what prices they can negotiate.
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using forums for references is worse than using wikipedia.
 
How did Microsoft get in a position where every single piece of news or speculation about their console is negative?

300$ with a contract is too expensive. Parents are going to get pissed by this, kids won't be able to pay it, and even the 20 somethings that can... why would you? You'd have to be retarded with PS4 sitting next to it, costing less. If you want to trojan horse your way into contracts you need a low price. Cell phones are a lot more important then 720 will be and they don't try to get 300$ from you for it because most people just won't pay that.
 
I'm surprised that it's not $199 for the console. Seems that would be a much more appealing price with a $15 cost.

I think Sony has a great opportunity to match and exceed the MS offering if this is the pricing scheme MS will go with.
 
Dont think this deal is nearly as bad as people here say. I'd never do it myself, but it's hardly the worst. Compared to no sub + 2 year with cards its not exactly a night and day difference.
 
Juancho9 said:
It doesn't have to be. Xbox Live is a fucking scam. But no, as a hardcore gaming community, let's just accept it and not show any disdain for a company that tries to take advantage of us.
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So are you complaining about Xbox Live, or contracts? Because it sounds like you're complaining about Xbox Live.
 
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