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[chris121580]

Pete's father in law was also a scumbag.

Totally agree and will never condone what he did but he witnessed his own daughter being cheated on. No matter the circumstances, I think anyone would be irate if they saw that happen.

 

[kingocfs]

Ken is the only major male character I can think of that still holds virtue. But look what that's gotten him: playing second fiddle to someone like Peter Campbell.

When all is said and done, Ken is going to be the last man standing.

 

[SteveWinwood]

When all is said and done, Ken is going to be the last man standing.

We can only hope.

And yeah totally would have made coffee guy take the fall, and act like he was treating him as some sort of client. Then Pete would have had the upper hand on everything and wouldn't be in the shit.

 

[Cornballer]

Meredith interview:

- Baltimore Sun Q&A: Baltimore's Stephanie Drake of 'Mad Men'

 

[joeyjoejoeshabadoo]

Putting your child up for adoption makes you a terrible person?

Did she? I had always thought she dumped the baby off at her sister's.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Putting your child up for adoption makes you a terrible person?

No, but hiding it from pete does.

 

[StopMakingSense]

FYI, Alison Brie will be on Marc Maron's WTF podcast tomorrow.

 

[BertramCooper]

FYI, Alison Brie will be on Marc Maron's WTF podcast tomorrow.

Sweet!

 

[Dominican Power]

Totally agree and will never condone what he did but he witnessed his own daughter being cheated on. No matter the circumstances, I think anyone would be irate if they saw that happen.

He should of handled it differently instead taking food off Pete and his daughter's table.

 

[pigeon]

Business is two guys in a bar seizing an opportunity.

Roger's the one who seized that opportunity -- without his taking an early flight to Detroit, they wouldn't have had a seat at that table in the first place.

Business is urging a future partner to fire the core team to found a new agency.

Which wouldn't have been necessary if Don hadn't failed at the basic task of running a business, to wit, identifying your important clients and making sure they're happy.

Business is responding to losing a company defining
account by writing a letter of disgust at an entire industry that the account belonged to.

A letter that, as we saw last season, was STILL costing the agency potential sales over a year later. Alienating customers before they even walk in the door isn't a good way to do business.

The ad business is about selling great copy and increasing product sales for an account. The ad business is in large led by creative.

No, it isn't. The show comes out and says this a couple of times. The ad business is about selling ads to clients, not about selling products to consumers, because the reality is that your ability to hold on to your accounts doesn't have that much to do with how well their products are doing.

Your post isn't crazy, exactly, but it shows you very much take Don's side, which is fine, because Don would like to believe that what he's doing is all that matters -- it fits well with his perspective on everything else in his life. But don't kid yourself. Advertising isn't art, and it isn't gambling, it's business. All the things you've pointed to are Don gambling, because he's fundamentally terrible at the day-to-day handling and relationship building that are necessary to actually run a successful company.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

This debate on business is great. Both sides have great points.

At the end of the day its all about results though.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

pigeon's right.

Even moreso, advertising is about block buys of advertsing space and reselling at a markup to clients. Creative isn't that big a deal, SCDP using it as their "edge" to attract people, but it's not the core of the business.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

*incredible* episode

 

[maharg]

pigeon's right.

Even moreso, advertising is about block buys of advertsing space and reselling at a markup to clients. Creative isn't that big a deal, SCDP using it as their "edge" to attract people, but it's not the core of the business.

Yeah, how a business differentiates itself is completely irrelevant to the business.

*boggle*

 

[a secret-boss]

My favorite episode for this season so far. everything was great. really love Joan finally telling Don of his self centered-ness.
is that disappointment from Peggy at the end after hearing the news.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I forget which review it was, maybe sepinwall or the avclub one but one of them said her reaction was many different things at the same time and I buy that. Moss did it really well. It looked like disappointment, fright, excitement, nervousness, surprise, etc...

 

[someday]

No, but hiding it from pete does.

What do you think Pete would have done?

 

[Supermanisdead]

Did she? I had always thought she dumped the baby off at her sister's.

The state deemed her unfit to care for it and her sister took him. Something like that.

 

[Leona Lewis]

The state deemed her unfit to care for it and her sister took him. Something like that.

Peggy put her baby up for adoption. The last time we saw him was at the hospital, when Peggy refused to hold it.

The baby you're talking about is her sister's baby - Peggy's sister was pregnant too.

 

[brianjones]

Peggy put her baby up for adoption. The last time we saw him was at the hospital, when Peggy refused to hold it.

The baby you're talking about is her sister's baby - Peggy's sister was pregnant too.

what? no

superman has it right

 

[Leona Lewis]

what? no

superman has it right

Um, no.

That baby isn't hers. We settled this debate half a decade ago, people.

There seems to be some confusion over one aspect of “Mad Men.” In the show’s Sunday finale, Peggy told Pete that she had had his baby and had given it away.

All season long, fans of the show have been speculating about whether Peggy’s sister is raising the baby that Peggy had with Pete. And that was intentional, creator Matthew Weiner said. “I mislead the audience all over the place, and that’s the fun of the show. I give out little bits of information at a time and then play on that,” he said in an interview on Monday.

I asked him if Peggy’s sister is raising Peggy’s baby, and he said, no, that is not the case. Peggy’s sister was pregnant when Peggy had her baby, and the sister gave birth around the same time. Her youngest child is her own child; the sister is not raising Peggy’s offspring.

Again, just to be clear: Peggy’s baby is not being raised by her sister. That child was given up for adoption.

 

[brianjones]

that's really lame

its clear in that scene to me its supposed to be peggys kid

 

[Supermanisdead]

Lol wat. But what about that scene where Peggy is about to leave and her sister is like "aren't you going to even look at him?" why would she want Peggy to look at one or her children but not the others. I'm so confused....

 

[Leona Lewis]

I'll have to rewatch, but I didn't get that impression at all.

Nonetheless, I've posted the canon gospel from the showrunner's mouth, so there you have it.

 

[brianjones]

Meanwhile, Peggy visits her sister and mother. People are asking about Peggy at church, her mother says. "Would it kill you to go?" her sister asks later. "I'm capable of making my own decisions," Peggy asserts. "Really?" replies her sister. "State of New York didn't think so. The doctors didn't think so."

As Peggy prepares to leave her sister and mother, her sister asks, "Aren't you going to say goodnight?" Peggy briefly peeks in on a blond-haired blue-eyed infant from the doorway of the bedroom.

she looks at the baby longingly before she closes the door

 

[Guess Who]

Re: that baby being Peggy's. Weiner trolled you mofos.

 

[Leona Lewis]

It's a baby. But not her baby.

Not sure why you're going on about this

CGC winning Heinz Ketchup redux.

 

[zeitgeist]

Wow, I completely forgot that Peggy had and gave up Pete's baby.

 

[Supermanisdead]

Goddammit Weiner.

 

[brianjones]

It's a baby. But not her baby.

Not sure why you're going on about this

because from the information the show gave us we're supposed to think it is

sorry i didnt read some online interview with weiner

 

[Leona Lewis]

because from the information the show gave us we're supposed to think it is

sorry i didnt read some online interview with weiner

I didn't get that impression watching the show though. I'll have to read the comments from the old Sepinwall articles to see if others read the scenes the same way you did, but it's clear she gave the baby up for adoption.

"The Suitcase" makes it even clearer during her conversation with Don in the bar. She hasn't seen the baby since it was born.

 

[zychi]

Peggys baby is going to come back and murder the whole office.

Black screen like Sopranos

Mad Men.

Spoiler

Weiner would never have another job

 

[brianjones]

The Great Sepinwall

Peggy has no apparent affection for her son -- she only looks into his room at her sister's prompting, and looks more scared than anything -- and doesn't seem to have much of a relationship with him, even as his "aunt." (When sis hands her the kid at church, he immediately starts crying; obviously, every baby is different, but if Peggy was holding him a decent amount over his 15 months of life, he would likely be less agitated to be placed in her arms.)

I need to watch weiners commentary for that ep again

 

[B For Bendetta]

Throw me in the camp of thinking that was her baby

 

[Zeus Molecules]

What do you think Pete would have done?

We nor he will never know. IE why she is a horrible person for not telling him until years later.

I wonder how he will feel seeing her daily now that he has lost contact to his other child for the immediate future.

 

[maharg]

Frankly I think she did Pete a favour not telling him about it. And it probably would have sunk her career to do so, one way or another, so I don't really blame her. To say she's a horrible person because of it is ridiculous.

 

[CassSept]

Hey, guys, but she DID tell him she had his baby

 

[Leona Lewis]

Hey, guys, but she DID tell him she had his baby

Long after he was capable of doing anything. But I guess she knew that he'd want a child out of wedlock about as much as she'd want a child at all, so not telling him would serve him better.

I think she made the right call.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Frankly I think she did Pete a favour not telling him about it. And it probably would have sunk her career to do so, one way or another, so I don't really blame her. To say she's a horrible person because of it is ridiculous.

Hey, guys, but she DID tell him she had his baby

Long after he was capable of doing anything. But I guess she knew that he'd want a child out of wedlock about as much as she'd want a child at all, so not telling him would serve him better.

I think she made the right call.

We're assuming here about Pete's reaction. When she told him he and Trudy were going through trouble conceiving, Maybe they would of raised the child? No one knows because the child was given away before Pete could make any decision one way or another.

Like I said we'll never know nor will Pete. If anything she did him no favors at all only informing him long after he could of done anything about it. So not only will he never know his son he is aware he will never know his son. He would of been better off never knowing the child existed at all.

 

[Cornballer]

- Tom & Lorenzo: Mad Style: For Immediate Release

These men are costumed so distinctly that you really don’t need dialogue to come to conclusions about them. Frank is clearly an artistic type (dig that neck scarf), Jim is clearly a suave, corporate type, and Ted is somewhere in the middle, dressed in a jacket and tie, but rendered in bright, modern colors; a go-getter. You can practically hear the various arguments that played out over the years among the three of them. And it’s notable that Frank is dressed in shades that call back to the other two men; blue and golden brown. And as the only one not dressed in typical executive wear, it’s clear he’s not as entrenched in this world as the other two men anymore.

Another snapshot of three distinctly different ways of dressing men. Pete dresses old for his age, it has to be said. Ken’s clothes reflect his sunny, care-free personality and stand in opposition to Pete’s buttoned-up, dour, conservative grey. Bob’s just cute.

Okay, no. Bob’s there to model the styles of the younger, college-grad set. He’s almost always depicted in a jacket and pants instead of a suit.

Much more via the link.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Yeah, how a business differentiates itself is completely irrelevant to the business.

*boggle*

It's not irrelevant, but it's not core either. It in itself is marketing.

 

[ZedIndyLil]

Haha, I've been living like a fool for years thinking that was Peggy's kid. Not that it changes the grand scheme of things, but now I want to rewatch that scene.

 

[EvaristeG]

Haha, I've been living like a fool for years thinking that was Peggy's kid. Not that it changes the grand scheme of things, but now I want to rewatch that scene.

Which scene are you all guys talking about ?

 

[ZedIndyLil]

Which scene are you all guys talking about ?

A scene somewhere in Season 2(?). Leona Lewis' link has the details.

Um, no.

That baby isn't hers. We settled this debate half a decade ago, people.

 

[someday]

We're assuming here about Pete's reaction. When she told him he and Trudy were going through trouble conceiving, Maybe they would of raised the child? No one knows because the child was given away before Pete could make any decision one way or another.

Like I said we'll never know nor will Pete. If anything she did him no favors at all only informing him long after he could of done anything about it. So not only will he never know his son he is aware he will never know his son. He would of been better off never knowing the child existed at all.

There is no way Trudy would have helped raise Pete and Peggy's child. She kicked him out as soon as his philandering reached their home. What makes you think she would have allowed his bastard child into her home? I agree with maharg and Leona, Pete didn't want to know about that child ever and Peggy did him a favor by keeping it from him for so long.

 

[CarbonatedFalcon]

Haha, I've been living like a fool for years thinking that was Peggy's kid. Not that it changes the grand scheme of things, but now I want to rewatch that scene.

Pretty sure it was only confirmed in outside interviews though. If you've just watched the show it was left fairly ambiguous.

Anyway - Pete's gun. Longest Chekov's ever? I tell you, someone is going to get shot and/or die from it before the show is out. (Can't remember if I posted about this before or not - ignore if I have.)

 

[ultron87]

Pete's gun will stop Bob "Two Coffee" Benson's inevitable murder spree.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

This last episode felt like a season finale setting up for a new season. Can't believe that happened so quickly (in a good way). Still 7 eps left for fallout. Excited to see where this goes.

 

[Salsa]

Im really not enjoying this season that much. Glad the merger thing happened cause it could take the plot to interesting places

it's basically the fact that almost every character has lost the ability to relate to them. Everyone's a fucking asshole, even Don.

There's a difference on a dude who screws around and is a dick to certain people but still has some humanity and a heart of gold deep down, and a dude who is actively trying to ruin everyone's lives just cause. I mean fucking your best friend's wife, being friendly to him while actively crushing your own wives dreams out of jealousy (or a sense of dominance) and not even a little tiny scene showing some afterthought? am I supposed to feel bad for him or understand just cause he sits in front on his door all mopy for a minute?

it's weird. I guess it's intended as a spiraling down kidna thing and all but I dont know, it makes the show weirder to watch. It feels weak and shocking for the sake of shock, that shitstorm better arrive soon and leave him in a completely fucked up place.

Don's an asshat, Pete's an asshole (no news there tho), Peggy's an asshole.. even Roger who has always been my favorite character is still losing some of his charm. He's just a sad bastard now. Last ep brought him back a bit but yeah

I guess Joan's the character you're supposed to feel for now, going through the whole realization that her title is nothing but a joke

im still enjoying the show a lot, but the season has a weird taste, even if they're trying to do this intentionally; I think there are better ways.

 

[kirblar]

Pete's gun will stop Bob "Two Coffee" Benson's inevitable murder spree.

I wonder if Bob's been focused on because he gets the axe almost immediately in the merger.