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[MoGamesXNA]

The new Xbox is going to be so awesome. "Weak specs" and all.

The OS of a console is where its at now. Games shmames.

Every major console ever has had enough games worth buying to create a backlog.

Its other stuff now that differentiates for me.

I think I come from the other side of the coin but I can certainly respect this. Advertising aside, MS really did progress consoles way beyond what had been done in the past in regards to the console centric OS. I suppose that shouldn't come as a surprise.

If MS include an optional bare bones, PS2-style, "just show me the games" dash in the new console I'd be stoked. That's not going to happen though sadly. Those days are long gone.

That said, I'm looking forward to what MS is going to bring to the table. If they aren't going all out on specs, I have no doubt they have something in their pocket in regards to the OS and services.

Ah, it's a good time to be platform agnostic gamer. Feels good man.

 

[oVerde]

#TeamOGXbox reporting in

Ready to 21st with full hype!

 

[statham]

9 Days until the King returns.

 

[whitehawk]

I'm going to predict that the XBox will have 8GB of DDR5 ram. I know that all the rumours say otherwise, but I can't see Microsoft letting Sony have such an upper hand on this one. Especially since these consoles could very well last even longer than the 360/PS3 generation.

 

[pharmboy044]

I'm going to predict that the XBox will have 8GB of DDR5 ram. I know that all the rumours say otherwise, but I can't see Microsoft letting Sony have such an upper hand on this one. Especially since these consoles could very well last even longer than the 360/PS3 generation.

Both systems will have 8GB of RAM and that's what all users will talk about. No one will care one is DDR3 and the other is GDDR5.

 

[Spongebob]

I'm going to predict that the XBox will have 8GB of DDR5 ram. I know that all the rumours say otherwise, but I can't see Microsoft letting Sony have such an upper hand on this one. Especially since these consoles could very well last even longer than the 360/PS3 generation.

1. There's no such thing as DDR5 RAM, it's called GDDR5.

2. For MS to change their memory from DDR3 to GDDR5 they would have to:

a) Remove the ESRAM from the APU since the extra bandwidth would no longer be required.

b) Completely change the memory controller inside the APU.

Both of these things would require MS to have to completely redesign a new APU which would delay their product at least 1 year.

3. The cost of DDR3 is significantly lower than GDDR5, if MS switched to GDDR5 they'd be adding a significant amount to their BOM resulting in them incurring a greater loss or pricing nextbox at a higher price.

Both systems will have 8GB of RAM and that's what all users will talk about. No one will care one is DDR3 and the other is GDDR5.

Developers will care.

 

[Baconsammy]

Both systems will have 8GB of RAM and that's what all users will talk about. No one will care one is DDR3 and the other is GDDR5.

You don't think people are going to go into Gamestop and ask for the console with the best memory instead of asking for the one that has the latest Call of Battlefield?

 

[0xCA2]

I'm going to predict that the XBox will have 8GB of DDR5 ram. I know that all the rumours say otherwise, but I can't see Microsoft letting Sony have such an upper hand on this one. Especially since these consoles could very well last even longer than the 360/PS3 generation.

Nah, I think even if the graphics come in worse than the PS4's, Microsoft is probably just going to shrug and say "oh well." You do the best you can with what you got. They'll just accentuate the positive and downplay the negative.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

You don't think people are going to go into Gamestop and ask for the console with the best memory instead of asking for the one that has the latest Call of Battlefield?

Both consoles will have the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield. People will ask for the version which looks and plays the best, and people will hear when their tech-savvy friends talk about one console having better specs.

 

[oVerde]

Both consoles will have the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield. People will ask for the version which looks and plays the best, and people will hear when their tech-savvy friends talk about one console having better specs.

NO way, they will just buy whatever their friends have. No one plays CoD alone.

 

[Bgamer90]

Both consoles will have the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield. People will ask for the version which looks and plays the best, and people will hear when their tech-savvy friends talk about one console having better specs.

Haha, where do you live?

 

[Colonel Nasty]

Both consoles will have the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield. People will ask for the version which looks and plays the best, and people will hear when their tech-savvy friends talk about one console having better specs.

Like they did this gen...

 

[Hip Hop]

NO way, they will just buy whatever their friends have. No one plays CoD alone.

I do,

they call me the Free-For-All Master.

 

[Officerrob]

Both consoles will have the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield. People will ask for the version which looks and plays the best, and people will hear when their tech-savvy friends talk about one console having better specs.

What the hell kind of world do you live in?

 

[XtremeXpider]

New Avatar.
I want to believe.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

"Excuse me sir, could you tell me which version of CoD has the fastest RAM?"

 

[Neander]

1. There's no such thing as DDR5 RAM, it's called GDDR5.

2. For MS to change their memory from DDR3 to GDDR5 they would have to:

a) Remove the ESRAM from the APU since the extra bandwidth would no longer be required.

b) Completely change the memory controller inside the APU.

Both of these things would require MS to have to completely redesign a new APU which would delay their product at least 1 year.

3. The cost of DDR3 is significantly lower than GDDR5, if MS switched to GDDR5 they'd be adding a significant amount to their BOM resulting in them incurring a greater loss or pricing nextbox at a higher price.


Developers will care.

What if (and only if), to speed things up, they did an upgrade using discrete CPU/GPU's?

 

[teh_pwn]

I cannot wait for this event + the PS4 event. Gaming is boring right now, and once all the NDAs and subsequent beans are spilled I can plan which PC games, GPUs, and consoles to get.

Also, it would be totally fucking awesome if MS said fuck it and went with a 4 TF, GDDR5, i5 CPU solution. Won't happen, but I can hope.

lol @ backlogs.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

We're derailing the thread so let's stop the debate here please.

The closer we get to photorealism, the less difference there will be between PC and consoles, that's how it is. Simply because we don't make huge progress graphically anymore.

We'll get to cloud gaming anyway, where local platforms will just disappear. We'll stream from the most powerful machines, so the debate will be over.

Tell me that we're derailing and that we should stop but continue on responding to my post? Ok.

You're only talking about graphics, I'm talking about more than that. Many more options that the PC will always have over consoles. One big one is obviously 30FPS vs 60FPS+. Resolution customization. Texture quality. There is much more to it than 'oh, that is a pretty picture'.

The most powerful machines will be PC's btw. And not everyone will want to stream. The delay for streaming will never be as smooth as playing on the machine itself, at the quality that the machine is capable of. And regarding that debate, let me know when we actually reach it. The NextBox won't be capable of streaming at the quality you are talking about so it's a moot point.

Finally, I notice you didn't respond to the need of upgrading bi-annually. I assume that is because you know it's BS?

 

[Baconsammy]

Both consoles will have the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield. People will ask for the version which looks and plays the best, and people will hear when their tech-savvy friends talk about one console having better specs.

If that were the case, the PC version would dominate. They'll actually just buy the version on the console that all their friends play on, which is why Microsoft will most likely do their best to lock down an exclusive early on that will encourage as many core gamers as possible to make the Xbox their primary console again this gen.

 

[teh_pwn]

You don't think people are going to go into Gamestop and ask for the console with the best memory instead of asking for the one that has the latest Call of Battlefield?

Pro tip: Don't go to Gamestop.

But I do remember Gamestop in 2008 in Austin. Some employee was mocking a customer about how they wanted better specs than the PS3, and he said something like "show me an 8 core PC for $600, hahahahahhaha, idiot".


But mang, DX11 native Elder Scrolls or Fallout, Witcher 3, Mistwalker game, etc etc. Something magical is in the air, and possible alcohol on my end.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Both consoles will have the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield. People will ask for the version which looks and plays the best, and people will hear when their tech-savvy friends talk about one console having better specs.

Yea, no.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

NO way, they will just buy whatever their friends have. No one plays CoD alone.

At the beginning of a new generation their friends will have to buy a new console, too.

Like they did this gen...

Quite a few people did buy for example the Xbox 360 version of a game because DF said it's the best version. I guess this will be even more the case when both consoles have very different specs, and differences won't be only measurable, but also visible to the untrained eye.

"Excuse me sir, could you tell me which version of CoD has the fastest RAM?"

Not really funny, sorry. The spec differences seem to be big, and it will be visible, and it will have impacts on our experience while playing. We will see what Microsoft has to offer in a few days, there is still a chance that they will deliver. I will buy the console first with the most convincing hardware, be it Microsoft or Sony.

If that were the case, the PC version would dominate. They'll actually just buy the version on the console that all their friends play on, which is why Microsoft will most likely do their best to lock down an exclusive early on that will encourage as many core gamers as possible to make the Xbox their primary console again this gen.

Not true. There are more differences between consoles and PCs than specs - comfort features/convenience, price, size, etc... There is a reason why consoles are so succesful.

 

[DopeyFish]

What if (and only if), to speed things up, they did an upgrade using discrete CPU/GPU's?

From rumors its like this

[ESRAM] - [GPU] - [APU]

APU consists of the jaguar cores, the Xbox 360 SoC (Waternoose and Xenos) and potentially an ARM processor

Yukon leak described the APU to have an interposer, but those plans may have changed

ESRAM is on its own chip

GPU is by itself

ESRAM and GPU will likely join the SoC in a future die shrink

 

[teh_pwn]

Not really funny, sorry. The spec differences seem to be big, and it will be visible, and it will have impacts on our experience while playing. We will see what Microsoft has to offer in a few days, there is still a chance that they will deliver. I will buy the console first with the most convincing hardware, be it Microsoft or Sony.

Me too. I'll buy them all eventually. Yes, even Wii U. But PS4 will likely be my first. If MS impresses me enough, I'll get both this year and Wii U next or whenever it actually has games.

Sony just seems to be giving off PSX era vibes. They actually seem to be connecting with developers, using an architecture that's insanely easy to develop for, sensible COGS, etc.

 

[artist]

You don't think people are going to go into Gamestop and ask for the console with the best memory instead of asking for the one that has the latest Call of Battlefield?

Oh boy I didnt know that MS announced BF4/CoD:Ghosts as exclusives.

 

[Somnia]

Both consoles will have the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield. People will ask for the version which looks and plays the best, and people will hear when their tech-savvy friends talk about one console having better specs.

They will buy the one their friends are playing on, period.

 

[Officerrob]

At the beginning of a new generation their friends will have to buy a new console, too.

Stop thinking like a GAF poster for a second. Most people will buy a console based on it having the games they like to play, where their friends are, controller preference, and in some cases brand familiarity. The vast majority of people have no idea what the hell GDDR5 is, and won't be able to tell the visual differences between these two consoles.

 

[Baconsammy]

Oh boy I didnt know that MS announced BF4/CoD:Ghosts as exclusives.

Uh oh, your knee-jerk reaction to anything you feel is pro-Xbox bit you in the butt there. I didn't say they locked down any exclusives. I merely said what consumers ask for at a game store.

Stop thinking like a GAF poster for a second. Most people will buy a console based on it having the games they like to play, where their friends are, controller preference, and in some cases brand familiarity. The vast majority of people have no idea what the hell GDDR5, and won't be able to tell the visual differences between these two consoles.

I imagine trophy/gamerscore carrying over is a big deal for many of them as well.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

Quite a few people did buy for example the Xbox 360 version of a game because DF said it's the best version. I guess this will be even more the case when both consoles have very different specs, and differences won't be only measurable, but also visible to the untrained eye.



Not really funny, sorry. The spec differences seem to be big, and it will be visible, and it will have impacts on our experience while playing. We will see what Microsoft has to offer in a few days, there is still a chance that they will deliver. I will buy the console first with the most convincing hardware, be it Microsoft or Sony.

Digital foundry has no effect on sales, half of the time their articles comes out much later. As for visible difference, can you point me to the Durango screenshots, I wanna make the thread for em. It's gonna be like xbox/ps2 all over again where the console with the best looking version sells the most copi... wait a minute. That's not how it happened at all.

 

[Officerrob]

Oh boy I didnt know that MS announced BF4/CoD:Ghosts as exclusives.

You are trying too hard

 

[Officerrob]

I imagine trophy/gamerscore carrying over is a big deal for many of them as well.

True, I completely forgot about that

Edit: Sorry about the double

 

[Baconsammy]

You are trying too hard

The best offense is a good

 

[Snaku]

New Avatar.
I want to believe.

Durango: Believe In.

 

[Syphon Filter]

At the beginning of a new generation their friends will have to buy a new console, too.



Quite a few people did buy for example the Xbox 360 version of a game because DF said it's the best version. I guess this will be even more the case when both consoles have very different specs, and differences won't be only measurable, but also visible to the untrained eye.



Not really funny, sorry. The spec differences seem to be big, and it will be visible, and it will have impacts on our experience while playing. We will see what Microsoft has to offer in a few days, there is still a chance that they will deliver. I will buy the console first with the most convincing hardware, be it Microsoft or Sony.



Not true. There are more differences between consoles and PCs than specs - comfort features/convenience, price, size, etc... There is a reason why consoles are so succesful.

Yea features and xbl has always had way better online than psn which is why cod is played more on 360.

 

[Baconsammy]

Yea features and xbl has always had way better online than psn which is why cod is played more on 360.

That and CoD established itself early on the 360. The rest was history. I assume that's why Microsoft is going to try to do something with Ghosts. I doubt simply letting them have the stage at the Xbox reveal is where the partnership will end. We shall see in about 9 days. Hype.

 

[oVerde]

Durango: Believe In.

Welcome aboard hype train!

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Digital foundry has no effect on sales, half of the time their articles comes out much later. As for visible difference, can you point me to the Durango screenshots, I wanna make the thread for em. It's gonna be like xbox/ps2 all over again where the console with the best looking version sells the most copi... wait a minute. That's not how it happened at all.

DF has of course an effect on sales. Not entirely directly - but there is a quite wide spread belief that Xbox 360 has the best multiplat versions, and DF helped to establish this. And if you think that 50% more processing power and 150% more bandwidth would not be visible, you will be surprised. Your Xbox/PS2 comparison is also pretty flawed, because the Xbox was a) released a long time after the PS2 b) an entirely new brand which had to prove itself c) more expensive. Now both consoles will be released at the same time for a similar price point. In my opinion Microsoft must release a console which has competitive specs when they want to keep their market share among core gamers.

Yea features and xbl has always had way better online than psn which is why cod is played more on 360.

What do you mean with "better online"? Better voice chat? Every PS4 will include a headset and will offer voice chat. Sony isn't sleeping. Microsoft should not make the mistake and take gamers for granted.

 

[DopeyFish]

What do you mean with "better online"? Better voice chat? Every PS4 will include a headset and will offer voice chat. Sony isn't sleeping. Microsoft should not make this mistake.

Wow it only took 12 years to catch up to the original Xbox.

 

[artist]

Uh oh, your knee-jerk reaction to anything you feel is pro-Xbox bit you in the butt there. I didn't say they locked down any exclusives. I merely said what consumers ask for at a game store.

So you admit you gave a bad example as counter, gotcha. I don't disagree with the opinion of fratboys sticking to the same platform and specs not dictating the purchase.

 

[Baconsammy]

What do you mean with "better online"? Better voice chat? Every PS4 will include a headset and will offer voice chat. Sony isn't sleeping. Microsoft should not make this mistake.

That's a great addition to the PS4 for sure. But while Sony was playing catch-up, Microsoft's been coming up with their newest features. Thus the reveal. If it amounts to nothing, I agree that the field will be wide open for Sony. Entrenched 360 gamers aren't just going to say fuck it and move to a different console without a great reason. So far that reason hasn't shown itself.

So you admit you gave a bad example as counter, gotcha. I don't disagree with the opinion of fratboys sticking to the same platform and specs not dictating the purchase.

The average age of gamers is 30. Kinda old to still be living at the frat.

 

[Tyrax]

Wow it only took 12 years to catch up to the original Xbox.

MS has Skype now, by the time Sony catches up with 2007, MS will be moving onto the next generation

 

[statham]

c) more expensive. Now both consoles will release at the same time for a similar price point. In my opinion Microsoft must release a console which has competitive specs when they want to keep their market share among core gamers.

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I know in Europe they launched higher and had to go back and give free games then lowered the price. But in the US, PS2 was 299 when xbox launched at 299. Sony did drop the price a few days before E3 to $199 which MS followed a few days later. (But they did have leaked flyers of the drop before Sony dropped)

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

The way things sound so far is that MS wins on apps, functional capabilities (due to sensor hardware, smartglass, and better OS software), and possibly price.

I would be very confident if I was them. Consumers don't have a hard on for best graphics like this forum does. If graphics trumped everything Wii, PS2, PS1, Gameboy, DS, NES would have all done much worse in their respective times.

If you are a student of console history you don't try to create the most powerful machine. Sony keeps trying to do this and it is not working for them.

If they say that, it means it's DDR3.

As soon as you show awesome stuff and announce exclusives the specs become meaningless. As long as specs are good enough to enable you to show awesome stuff that is all that matters to consumers. Anyone who cares more than that is a PC gamer.

You have to be otaku to care about RAM types in game consoles. The console game industry is much more mainstream than this A/V nerd crap, they care about more tangible things...

"I can control my Comcast/Directv/Sky/Foxtel box with the Kinect and voice commands?"

"I can control my Comcast/Directv/Sky/Foxtel box with my tablet/phone with SmartGlass?"

"CoD and/or Titan are exclusive to Xbox?"

"It's only $299?"

Not much more is necessary. Both companies will sell out every unit they ship in the first 6 months.

 

[Cidd]

All this argument over spec don't mean shit, When all is said and done it will all comes down to marketing and that's where MS cash comes into play.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

DF has of course an effect on sales. Not entirely directly - but there is a quite wide spread belief that Xbox 360 has the best multiplat versions, and DF helped to establish this. And if you think that 50% more processing power and 150% more bandwidth would not be visible, you will be surprised. Your Xbox/PS2 comparison is also pretty flawed, because the Xbox was a) released a long time after the PS2 b) an entirely new brand which had to prove itself c) more expensive. Now both consoles will release at the same time for a similar price point. In my opinion Microsoft must release a console which has competitive specs when they want to keep their market share among core gamers.

It literally makes no difference. No one even knows what's in the Xbox. Even if the Durango is unveiled to have a titan in it, it won't stop people from buying the PS4 version if that's the most popular console. You're argument only exists on message boards. No where else. If it did we'd be balls deep in Vitas, Android phones and tablets, and Alienware Laptops.

 

[darkside31337]

It literally makes no difference. No one even knows what's in the Xbox. Even if the Durango is unveiled to have a titan in it, it won't stop people from buying the PS4 version if that's the most popular console. You're argument only exists on message boards. No where else. If it did we'd be balls deep in Vitas, Android phones and tablets, and Alienware Laptops.

???

One of these is not like the others. Like at all lol. A lot of people own Android devices. A lot.

And it does matter. Not so much on a hardware level but later on when a good chunk of consumers own both consoles. Thats when it really matters.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

It literally makes no difference. No one even knows what's in the Xbox. Even if the Durango is unveiled to have a titan in it, it won't stop people from buying the PS4 version if that's the most popular console. You're argument only exists on message boards. No where else. If it did we'd be balls deep in Vitas, Android phones and tablets, and Alienware Laptops.

Those are pretty bad examples. The PS Vita does not have the same games as the 3DS, it was released later and is more expensive. The PS4/Xbox 3 will have almost the same third-party titles. Android phones/tablets are very popular, and many people use them for games. And Alienware laptops? They are costing thousands of dollars.

 

[many places]

Stop thinking like a GAF poster for a second. Most people will buy a console based on it having the games they like to play, where their friends are, controller preference, and in some cases brand familiarity. The vast majority of people have no idea what the hell GDDR5 is, and won't be able to tell the visual differences between these two consoles.

I wish more people on here would stop thinking like a gaf poster and talk about the fun of games instead of always worrying about specs, resolutions, tearing. I miss being a kid and not even knowing about that stuff and just playing games cause they were fun.

 

[Syphon Filter]

I wish more people on here would stop thinking like a gaf poster and talk about the fun of games instead of always worrying about specs, resolutions, tearing. I miss being a kid and not even knowing about that stuff and just playing games cause they were fun.

Depends i don't want to settle for less.