Next Xbox Reveal Set For May 21, 10:00 A.M. PST, Livestreamed

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benny_a said:
It's all rumored but the CPU is identical in the leaks so it's all about the memory and GPU and that is 150% FLOPs of the Durango one.
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No, that math is flawed. Yes, the CPUs are seemingly identical, but they also add to the overall processing power (it's a simplification of the real situation, but almost everything in these my-FLOPS-are-bigger-than-your-FLOPS discussions is). So let's presume the CPU adds 400 GFLOPS to both, which I believe is a rather conservative estimate. Then you have 1.6 TFLOPS for Durango and 2.2 TFLOPS for PS4, which is a 37.5% difference, not 50%. Add the rumored BC hardware in Durango to help with the OS and other background tasks, and the difference is lessened even further.

In any case, I don't expect a difference amounting to anything significant for most people, and that includes developers.
 
Gemüsepizza;57642892 said:
Sorry but I don't understand this. Specs *are* responsible for what happens on the screen... sure those rumored specs don't mean that games will look like shit, but there is a possibility that PS4 games/versions could look even better, if Microsoft won't upgrade them.
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PS3 exclusives already did look better than Xbox games this generation. It had no effect on my decision to buy a 360.

Gemüsepizza;57642892 said:
And specs don't only affect graphics but also gameplay etc. like size of the game world, npc count/diversity, animations, physics, AI, ...
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After all the hot air about the super powers of the Cell, there was virtually no difference in any of these things. Actually I would argue that most of the really ambitious games gameplay wise are multiplatform.
 
godelsmetric said:
PS3 exclusives already did look better than Xbox games this generation. It had no effect on my decision to buy a 360.

After all the hot air about the super powers of the Cell, there was virtually no difference in any of these things. Actually I would argue that most of the really ambitious games gameplay wise are multiplatform.
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Like I wrote before, the Cell had to make up for the weak GPU. The PS3 also had a split ram configuration and 18MB less RAM for games. It's different with these rumored specs. The difference will be much bigger, this will be amplified by the similar architecture.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
No, that math is flawed. Yes, the CPUs are seemingly identical, but they also add to the overall processing power (it's a simplification of the real situation, but almost everything in these my-FLOPS-are-bigger-than-your-FLOPS discussions is). So let's presume the CPU adds 400 GFLOPS to both, which I believe is a rather conservative estimate. Then you have 1.6 TFLOPS for Durango and 2.2 TFLOPS for PS4, which is a 37.5% difference, not 50%. Add the rumored BC hardware in Durango to help with the OS and other background tasks, and the difference is lessened even further.

In any case, I don't expect a difference amounting to anything significant for most people, and that includes developers.
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CPU GFLOPS are not very meaningful, nor are they interchangeable with GPU GFLOPS. Remember the Cell?
 
Gemüsepizza;57644542 said:
Like I wrote before, the Cell had to make up for the weak GPU. The PS3 also had a split ram configuration and 18MB less RAM for games. It's different with these rumored specs. The difference will be much bigger, this will be amplified by the similar architecture.
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Honestly no one in this thread cares so please go to a PS4 specs thread where you can talk about them all day.
 
Gemüsepizza;57644542 said:
Like I wrote before, the Cell had to make up for the weak GPU. The PS3 also had a split ram configuration and 18MB less RAM for games. It's different with these rumored specs. The difference will be much bigger, this will be amplified by the similar architecture.
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Don't believe the hype.
 
Gemüsepizza;57644542 said:
Like I wrote before, the Cell had to make up for the weak GPU. The PS3 also had a split ram configuration and 18MB less RAM for games. It's different with these rumored specs. The difference will be much bigger, this will be amplified by the similar architecture.
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It's still completely irrelevant as to which one I will buy. I didn't buy an Xbox or GameCube because they were much more powerful than the PS2, either.

I didn't rush out to buy a Samsung Galaxy S4 because of its specs either. Not a Vita. Nor spend £1000 on a decent PC (I bought a MacBook Pro).

I don't see what's so difficult for spec warriors to grasp about this. I don't think I'm that unusual a consumer.
 
Gemüsepizza;57644018 said:
It would be different with these specs. Xbox 360 had better GPU, better RAM, PS3 had better CPU - they were about equal. PS4 has better everything, as it seems.



Of course not. But when I buy a new system, and one console has better specs, I will consider this.



If you add the CPU in, the processing power difference would be ~46%, not 50%, right. But memory bandwidth is still +150% for the 8GB, which can't be fully mitigated by eSRAM. And then both systems seem to have different amounts of reserved RAM. I just don't see how games will look the same with these specs, and I hope Microsoft has made an upgrade, because it would be better for all gamers.
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Do you mind explaining why you're in this thread?

Because it feels very much like you're here to compare rumoured specs to announced ones?

This thread is about the Durango reveal event?
 
godelsmetric said:
It's still completely irrelevant as to which one I will buy. I didn't buy an Xbox or GameCube because they were much more powerful than the PS2, either.
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And that's perfectly fine. But again, it's weird to make a comparison between consoles which had very different games, launched at wildly different dates for a different price - because this is not the case now, both consoles will launch around the same date with all third party titles and for a similar price.

NinjaFusion said:
Do you mind explaining why you're in this thread?

Because it feels very much like you're here to compare rumoured specs to announced ones?

This thread is about the Durango reveal event?
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Because I am interested in the reveal, of course. It will impact every gamer, and maybe Microsoft will surprise us all with a powerful console. I just don't like when people are posting wrong information about how those rumored specs would not make a difference in what you see on your screen.
 
Gemüsepizza;57644956 said:
And that's perfectly fine. But again, it's weird to make a comparison between consoles which had very different games, launched at wildly different dates for a different price - because this is not the case now, both consoles will launch around the same date with all third party titles and for a similar price.
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Yes, and as I've said several times in several threads, there is no way I will buy either the PS4 or Durango at launch. It's all about the content, and neither of these consoles are likely to have very much worth playing at launch.
 
Someone might as well go send Microsoft a e-mail telling them that they can call off the reveal because apparently VGLeaks and EDGE already had it.

upJTboogie said:
I don't understand what's so off topic about rumored specs of the console that's about to be revealed.
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Boogie there is a reason I have you ignored.

The problem isn't talking about specs the problem is comparing PS4 to X720 specs(which haven't been revealed officially) in a Xbox reveal thread.
 
HollovVpo1nt said:
Can someone Xboxify my avatar please? Just not on Stana's perfect face please :)
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NinjaFusion said:
Do you mind explaining why you're in this thread?

Because it feels very much like you're here to compare rumoured specs to announced ones?

This thread is about the Durango reveal event?
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I don't understand what's so off topic about rumored specs of the console that's about to be revealed.
 
Gemüsepizza;57644542 said:
Like I wrote before, the Cell had to make up for the weak GPU. The PS3 also had a split ram configuration and 18MB less RAM for games. It's different with these rumored specs. The difference will be much bigger, this will be amplified by the similar architecture.
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The architectures are not that similar, however. Yes, the CPUs seem to be nearly identical, and the GPUs are built around the same basic architecture, but the differences is memory subsystems and additional hardware are not merely cosmetic. We have two machines using some similar components, but in ways which could result in significant differences in instruction and data flow, making direct comparisons rather pointless.

So on one side we have people trying to downplay those differences and looking at them in a way that suits their agenda, while on the other we have people relatively aware of the possible repercussions, but with no reliable way of quantifying them. We won't know anything for sure until the devs who have experience in working with both start talking, and that should happen in one week. For what it's worth, those who have thrown a few hints so far (on GAF, B3D or elsewhere) seem to point toward the two being more comparable than what laymen on forums routinely suggest.
 
please guys dont fuckin litter this thread with spec wars.

after both consoles final specs are on the table, we can have 100 threads for each tiny detail.

but until then, please shut up, at least in this topic.


it seems anyway that neither xbox nor playstation will be a beast of machine compared to next november pc's,
so dont give it much more value than it deserves.

these consoles probably will be great for a couple of years. lets not shorten their joyful lifespan ourselves.

even pc games will become better because of new ps and xbox. so everybody shut up and be happy!



p.s. and if any megaton drops (from either side), its welcome :)
 
this isnt so much about the reveal thread as "lets fight about specs" apparently.

Not that I of all people really have a problem with that. I love fighting over specs!
 
One week is still a long time... I wonder if the hype will manage to keep the same level. We're not going to spend the next 7 days adding "only on Xbox" to avatars, are we ?
 
Let's talk about specs, baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about specs
 
Mascot said:
The fabric cladding looks acoustically transparent. It'd be hilarious if Mark Cerney did laps of the car park and beeped his horn all the way through the presentation.
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It's private Microsoft grounds. I doubt they would allow him in at all. You know, fear of espionage. :-p
 
Alx said:
One week is still a long time... I wonder if the hype will manage to keep the same level. We're not going to spend the next 7 days adding "only on Xbox" to avatars, are we ?
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nope.. we are going to mix it up with "better with Kinect".. that should cover two days at least..
 
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/467349/20130514/xbox-720-halo-5-destiny-ea-microsoft.htm#.UZI3OYKhTLd

Big Plans for Xbox 720, Infinity Games to Feature Halo 5, Destiny & Mystery Game from EA?

Halo 4 has held quite a following, and ever since the official news of a Halo 5 was announced early this year by franchise head Frank O' Connor, many rumors have been circulating since then.

iDigital Times reports that it didn't stop there, as versions for the next-gen platforms have also been teased to be part of the Halo 5 franchise.

Considering that the May 21 Microsoft date is nearing, speculations have been in overdrive as to whether or not the Halo 5 will be among the launch titles to be revealed on that date.

iDigital Times adds that, given Halo's track record of yearly releases and reveals since it first debuted in 2009, chances are the Halo 5 will be out this year--but the question is when.

Bungie for Xbox 720 gets teaser moon images

The latest teaser images to be delivered by Destiny by Bungie, the game from the same people behind Halo and Call of Duty, showcase the Earth's moon.

Its first set of images show an abandoned Earth--though it feels more like a ruined one, rather than abandoned, if you look at the foliage and ruins in the shots.

According to SlashGear, the overall feel of the images give off apocalyptic atmosphere, as though new creatures that have taken over the world are just bound to come out.

In the latest moon images, you can see the hellmouth, a gaping hole on one side of the moon, which looks more structured than your normal collapsing sink hole, begging the question of who did the digging and what can be found when you explore inside.

Graphics-wise, you can see there's a lot to expect from Destiny, and you may get a first look when it releases alongside the Xbox 720 this holiday season.

You can expect this game to land in the PS3 and PC sometime in 2014, a few months after it releases for the next-gen Xbox 720.

Two studios may have big plans for next-gen Xbox

With its May 21 just a week from today, more news about possible launch titles coming to the Xbox 720 and to be revealed on the said date are cropping up.

Digital Spy reports that a contest has been held on Twitter, tapping followers to discuss the following subjects @EA, @Xbox, @PlayXBLA, and @Turn10, with the prize being an entrance to the briefing at the E3 2013 next month.

The contests closes on May 20, just a day shy of Microsoft's Xbox 720 event. Announcements of the winners as well as details may be given on May 21.

According to The Examiner, EA will be releasing Battlefield 4, a Mass Effect game, Dragon Age 3: Inquisition, and Star Wars titles, so any of those may be a possible addition to the Xbox 720 title lineup as well.
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Gemüsepizza;57644310 said:
CPU is not 400 GFLOPS, more like 100 GFLOPS at best. The CPU will also only be used for general computing tasks.
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yeah pretty much the same gflops bkillian give to the shape durango audio block on b3d


anyway IMO u will never see a 50% raw power advantage for sony...u can forget about this

im ready to bet my avatar with one that u choose

:D

7days
 
Gemüsepizza;57644018 said:
It would be different with these specs. Xbox 360 had better GPU, better RAM, PS3 had better CPU - they were about equal. PS4 has better everything, as it seems.



Of course not. But when I buy a new system, and one console has better specs, I will consider this.



If you add the CPU in, the processing power difference would be ~46%, not 50%, right. But memory bandwidth is still +150% for the 8GB, which can't be fully mitigated by eSRAM. And then both systems seem to have different amounts of reserved RAM. I just don't see how games will look the same with these specs, and I hope Microsoft has made an upgrade, because it would be better for all gamers.
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This a bold statement (!) and probably incorrect.
 
Izick said:
What if VGLeaks is making all these pastebins to create an endless supply of BS rumors and potential hits?



Well, Microsoft does have a great relationship with the creator of Call of Duty, Bungie.
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as i said vgleaks IMO have the same credibility as pastebin itself

its a website that probably will vanish after ms reveal..(is the last of the 3 console that still need some leaks)....or they think to survive with videogames leaks? O.o

so for this reason they are there for clicks not for future credibility proof
 
Izick said:
I heard that the Nextbox's flops are analogous to Goku's Kaio-Ken? Is that confirmed?
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You had it confused with the Genki Dama. That's what kinect 2.0 is for, each 720 owner will have to stand in front of it and raise his hands to the sky, and one console at a time will receive their combined petaflops to run the games at 1000 fps.
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