Next Xbox Reveal Set For May 21, 10:00 A.M. PST, Livestreamed

Status
Not open for further replies.
shandy706 said:
Looking at patents and multiple spec "leaks", I believe there were two or three functional/Alpha designs. It's possible Microsoft was going with their mid-range design (while having option #1 a lower tech and option #3 a higher tech option on the table). February may have told them that they need to switch to their third model as the final hardware design.

The delay may have been a reaction in hardware (that was already designed if needed) and approach.

I could see a company with Microsoft's money having multiple options vs having to stick with a single idea and no options after seeing the competition.
Click to expand...
I've said that a couple of times before but apparently that's "impossible".
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Yeah, right. Walmart, Target, Amazon, Best Buy, etc. all sell these platforms now. They don't want to lose out on their cut of system and peripheral sales, accessories, and subscription/prepaid cards. Big games will still get disc versions, but most software will be DD only. They don't have a choice unless they want to be less relevant to the consumer.
Click to expand...

I think you have your wires crossed ... I'm saying I don't expect any anti-used games strategy for physical media.
 
Do you people think MS will just downplay Sony's share button, by leisurely saying how xbox can do streaming/recording etc by just saying Xbox record, without need for pressing a single button....
 
Monty Mole said:
That won't happen. It'll be like phones. Buy the console, or get it on a contract.

As for the "always online" rumours, my guess is Xbox on a contract will require you to be online to play your games, so it can check you've made your payments. Xbox not on a contract has no such restriction.
Click to expand...

Depends the baby/bathwater comment was from UK retailers not US.
 
Stampy said:
Do you people think MS will just downplay Sony's share button, by leisurely saying how xbox can do streaming/recording etc by just saying Xbox record, without need for pressing a single button....
Click to expand...

I don't think they need to downplay it. It's a non-factor. If hitting the gem in the center of the controller brings you to share options(among other things), there's no need for a dedicated button.
 
Linkified said:
I think you have your wires crossed ... I'm saying I don't expect any anti-used games strategy for physical media.
Click to expand...

Oh, okay, man. I think I did get confused there. As for anti-used, well, I can see letting authorized retailers in on a cut they share with publishers via networked POS system that issues new codes to the consumer buying the used game disc. They won't actively attack the thing all major retailers are selling, but it's a compromise made to keep all parties happy and included.
 
Stampy said:
Do you people think MS will just downplay Sony's share button, by leisurely saying how xbox can do streaming/recording etc by just saying Xbox record, without need for pressing a single button....
Click to expand...

I think rather than having a button entirely dedicated to it or even use Kinect, it'll just be part of the in guide screen. Press the guide, go to Video Recorder and there you go. They won't necessarily down play it but they'll try to bring up reason why their iteration of it will be better.
 
Bsigg12 said:
I think rather than having a button entirely dedicated to it or even use Kinect, it'll just be part of the in guide screen. Press the guide, go to Video Recorder and there you go. They won't necessarily down play it but they'll try to bring up reason why their iteration of it will be better.
Click to expand...

Exactly.
 
shandy706 said:
Looking at patents and multiple spec "leaks", I believe there were two or three functional/Alpha designs. It's possible Microsoft was going with their mid-range design (while having option #1 a lower tech and option #3 a higher tech option on the table). February may have told them that they need to switch to their third model as the final hardware design.

The delay may have been a reaction in hardware (that was already designed if needed) and approach.

I could see a company with Microsoft's money having multiple options vs having to stick with a single idea and no options after seeing the competition.
Click to expand...

Makes since, if we look at the Xbox 360. There were specs leaked almost 1.5 years before the 360 launched and look how those turned out.
 
The Omega Man said:
If this happens it will be a glorious day that will live in history, MS originally planned to debut the console in April, something must has happened at the last minute.
I have a feeling that the hardware is going to surprise us the most and it's going to be a more powerful machine than the PS4, I am pretty confident that they are going to show new exclusive games that developers have been preparing for years for this new console.
Click to expand...

This is the most ambitious post I've seen on GAF.
 
Pyscho_Mantis said:
A button press is quicker lol.
Click to expand...

I would guess the next-box records automatically all your gameplay and just discards it if you don't opt to save/share it. I don't think this is feature that MS hadn't already thought of/planned for; it seems like a fairly logical progression from the COD type sharing of things.
 
Bsigg12 said:
I think rather than having a button entirely dedicated to it or even use Kinect, it'll just be part of the in guide screen. Press the guide, go to Video Recorder and there you go. They won't necessarily down play it but they'll try to bring up reason why their iteration of it will be better.
Click to expand...

That's true... I don't really see the need of a dedicated button to be honest, as long as you always have a buffer of several minutes in memory. It could be useful for quick snapshots, but most of the time you would be one second too late to capture the cool moment, so you would have to browse the buffer anyway.
There are probably other uses of a dedicated share button I haven't thought of, but for the obvious snapshot/video capture function, I don't really think it's a big bullet point.
 
Salaadin said:
This seems to be the likely scenario. At least I think so.
Click to expand...

Its also MS's defacto way of deciding on hardware. The book that details the background of the 360 went into extreme detail about the competing hardware within MS right up until the final decision had to be made.

Stampy said:
Do you people think MS will just downplay Sony's share button, by leisurely saying how xbox can do streaming/recording etc by just saying Xbox record, without need for pressing a single button....
Click to expand...
They have followed that old power-point a great deal which seems to indicate those things have always been in the MS system. So I could see them mentioning them but not really making a big deal out of them.
 
Karak said:
Its also MS's defacto way of deciding on hardware. The book that details the background of the 360 went into extreme detail about the competing hardware within MS right up until the final decision had to be made.
Click to expand...

What book, would love to know what the 360 could of been?
 
Courage said:
I was lurking, but didn't see anything outrageous.
Click to expand...

They are hyped.

url.png
 
Karak said:
Its also MS's defacto way of deciding on hardware. The book that details the background of the 360 went into extreme detail about the competing hardware within MS right up until the final decision had to be made.


They have followed that old power-point a great deal which seems to indicate those things have always been in the MS system. So I could see them mentioning them but not really making a big deal out of them.
Click to expand...

Very interesting. That adds confidence to what I believe (development wise on the inside of MS) then.
 
RayMaker said:
What book, would love to know what the 360 could of been?
Click to expand...

360 uncloaked. It goes into some really fun detail about how MS has divisions that are very competitive with one another internally and sort of battle it out until someone declares the winner. In some ways they are like Sega with the DC but even more heated.

I am NOT saying there is any changes. Just saying that MS runs their internal business that way when it comes to hardware. Especially when you consider that the Kinect will be in every box which means a massive savings from hardware orders and the Kinect isn't freakishly expensive in the first place(even with the small upgrades) so its not like putting a Kinect in every box cost them hundreds.
 
shandy706 said:
Looking at patents and multiple spec "leaks", I believe there were two or three functional/Alpha designs. It's possible Microsoft was going with their mid-range design (while having option #1 a lower tech and option #3 a higher tech option on the table). February may have told them that they need to switch to their third model as the final hardware design.

The delay may have been a reaction in hardware (that was already designed if needed) and approach.

I could see a company with Microsoft's money having multiple options vs having to stick with a single idea and no options after seeing the competition.
Click to expand...

I don't see this happening...you have kinect in every box, more powerful hardware will probably push MS in to bleeding $$ category. I think they will just overclock the specs we have seen and push it to 1.6 TFLop range.
 
I always said I am fine with the leaked/rumored specs. If there is a slight upgrade it would only be better for everyone. The reasoning with the 3 options sounds plausible, but also a bit wishful :)
 
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/16/xbox-delivers-for-core-gamers-with-machinima-and-more/

We roll out new entertainment experiences on Xbox LIVE on a weekly basis all over the globe, bringing you movies, television, sports and music week after week and offering something for everyone in the family. But this week, we’re going back to our roots and highlighting experiences for our core Xbox gamers.

We launched Machinima a few weeks ago—our first app to launch in all 41 Xbox LIVE markets—and the download rate has been overwhelming. In fact, after only two weeks on Xbox LIVE, it’s already one of the fastest adopted Xbox Live entertainment apps of the last 12 months.

Hint at next weeks event?
 
SniperHunter said:
I don't see this happening...you have kinect in every box, more powerful hardware will probably push MS in to bleeding $$ category. I think they will just overclock the specs we have seen and push it to 1.6 TFLop range.
Click to expand...

Going by posts above, it's not unusual for them to operate with multiple options at once.

Syphon Filter said:
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/16/xbox-delivers-for-core-gamers-with-machinima-and-more/
But this week, we’re going back to our roots and highlighting experiences for our core Xbox gamers.
Click to expand...

Good
 
SniperHunter said:
I don't see this happening...you have kinect in every box, more powerful hardware will probably push MS in to bleeding $$ category. I think they will just overclock the specs we have seen and push it to 1.6 TFLop range.
Click to expand...

Hopefully they don't get any yield or over heating issues if they do this. No more RRoD please!
 
Linkified said:
Retailer more incentive? Really?
Consumer more license freedom? Really?

Really, really? C'mon son...
Click to expand...

Do I have to re type out one of my old posts?

For retailers, they can cost protect by making everything pay on scan, out prints a QR code and away you go... What this means for retailers? reduction in assets, increase in price flexibility, reduction in labor. What this means for publishers? Product can't be sold prior to release date, less labor, more price flexibility.

For consumers... Credit. Integrated market. You sell to friend, they pay money to MS at the price you set, seller gets credit relative to the price set. Seller can use said credit for a future purchase, buyer gets game at a discount. Choice of seller? Check. Choice of price? Check. Equal value? Check. Publisher gets their protection? Check.

Now back to retailers... Same system as before, when a customer sells, they get credit which can also be used in stores. Magical freedom! Now when a consumer uses that credit, a portion of it goes to publisher, a portion goes to retailer. Now retailer gets a rebate (likely in form of cheque/check). That rebate can then be used for more aggressive pricing while still maintaining a margin to increase sales.

This means incentive to take back used games, incentive to sell new games.

For consumers, having licenses means mobility. Like steam. You don't need the disc. But unlike steam you would have options.

Publishers win. Retailers win. Consumers win.

Something something
 
nib95 said:
I meant with games. Right now I really want Microsoft to bump up the specs of the dev kits and rumoured retail units. To me, it doesn't seem like a big enough jump. I hope they don't try and drown this out simply by buying off lots of third party exclusives. I am certain that early on in this new generation, visual differences will be slight, but if the hardware differences are as rumoured, mid to end tier games are going to start showing up differences, and I don't want one platform to hold up the other. If both are close in power, it's more ideal imo. I for one just want the best looking Halo, Forza etc possible.
Click to expand...


I wouldn't put too much weight on leaked documents, MS has a lot more funds available to invest on the hardware. 360 was ahead of it's time and only had difficulty turning a profit because of the RROD and that was an issue on AMD's use of a defective type of solder of the die under-fill of the GPU.

The future is pointing to compute power, if MS plays their cards right, the system will be very powerful for compute. PS4 seems to be very powerful for today's games with some forward thinking compute optimizations in it's GPU (Not sure if high latency GDDR5 is the best answer for compute) but it still remains to be seen what MS does, they could surprise us on May 21 :-)
 
shandy706 said:
Going by posts above, it's not unusual for them to operate with multiple options at once.
Click to expand...

Everyone operates with multiple options in case something bad happens. Even Sony changed the PS3 design several times (for the worse). It's better to have a well thought out system, rather than reacting and rushing things (RROD, RSX etc)

but then again MS is backed by a lot of tech studios (Crytek & Epic) and not to mention their internal teams. I expect Xbox Durango will be a powerful system. They will update the specs for sure. I think Kinect will hold them back though, since it's included in every box....
 
derFeef said:
I always said I am fine with the leaked/rumored specs. If there is a slight upgrade it would only be better for everyone. The reasoning with the 3 options sounds plausible, but also a bit wishful :)
Click to expand...

More like, if the past is any indication, 2 versions. Most likely NOT as different as the 360 competing models. Those 2 were insanely different from one another and there is no saying that the OTHER version wasn't even less attractive from a gamers perspective.

derFeef said:
probably true, but we also knew everything about the PS4 before the event.
And it turned out we did not.
Click to expand...
I was just thinking that myself. Games, hardware, everything is up in the air...until it isn't.
 
eso76 said:
Guys, you're paving the road to disappointmenton.


We know what's inside Durango, we know everything.
Click to expand...

probably true, but we also knew everything about the PS4 before the event.
And it turned out we did not.

Karak said:
More like, if the past is any indication, 2 versions. Most likely NOT as different as the 360 competing models. Those 2 were insanely different from one another.
Click to expand...

I need to read up on that!
 
Syphon Filter said:
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/16/xbox-delivers-for-core-gamers-with-machinima-and-more/

We roll out new entertainment experiences on Xbox LIVE on a weekly basis all over the globe, bringing you movies, television, sports and music week after week and offering something for everyone in the family. But this week, we’re going back to our roots and highlighting experiences for our core Xbox gamers.

We launched Machinima a few weeks ago—our first app to launch in all 41 Xbox LIVE markets—and the download rate has been overwhelming. In fact, after only two weeks on Xbox LIVE, it’s already one of the fastest adopted Xbox Live entertainment apps of the last 12 months.

Hint at next weeks event?
Click to expand...

excited-o.gif


eso76 said:
Guys, you're paving the road to disappointmenton.


We know what's inside Durango, we know everything.
Click to expand...

Mind saying what that is, for posterity's sake?
 
Stampy said:
Do you people think MS will just downplay Sony's share button, by leisurely saying how xbox can do streaming/recording etc by just saying Xbox record, without need for pressing a single button....
Click to expand...

That share button is a total non-event IMHO. Nobody will give a shit about it.
 
shandy706 said:
Looking at patents and multiple spec "leaks", I believe there were two or three functional/Alpha designs. It's possible Microsoft was going with their mid-range design (while having option #1 a lower tech and option #3 a higher tech option on the table). February may have told them that they need to switch to their third model as the final hardware design.

The delay may have been a reaction in hardware (that was already designed if needed) and approach.

I could see a company with Microsoft's money having multiple options vs having to stick with a single idea and no options after seeing the competition.
Click to expand...



Very possible. If that $500 price is true then it won't be all because of Kinect. Something's up. And it's not because they changed the original plan. It'll be because of something else they had waiting on the sidelines.
 
derFeef said:
I need to read up on that!
Click to expand...

It is a great read and reminds me, again, of Sega's old president talking about the Katana versus black belt development during the DC's creation. I think most companies do this, as said above, but its nice to read all about it and see just how competitive it can be and how much people believe in it.

Another thing that is cool is its fun to hear how many of the top brass are serious fucking gamers and actually take it seriously, or movie fans. It made them a bit more personable.
 
Syphon Filter said:
http://majornelson.com/2013/05/16/xbox-delivers-for-core-gamers-with-machinima-and-more/

We roll out new entertainment experiences on Xbox LIVE on a weekly basis all over the globe, bringing you movies, television, sports and music week after week and offering something for everyone in the family. But this week, we’re going back to our roots and highlighting experiences for our core Xbox gamers.

We launched Machinima a few weeks ago—our first app to launch in all 41 Xbox LIVE markets—and the download rate has been overwhelming. In fact, after only two weeks on Xbox LIVE, it’s already one of the fastest adopted Xbox Live entertainment apps of the last 12 months.

Hint at next weeks event?
Click to expand...

This is certainly good news, let's hope they maintain that drive throughout the entire generation and don't fall back into a third party with smatterings of first party offerings after a few years.

I want to see MS and their numerous studios putting out various new IP. Taking risks, etc.
 
derFeef said:
probably true, but we also knew everything about the PS4 before the event.
And it turned out we did not.



I need to read up on that!
Click to expand...

Microsoft backup for 360 was more of a "just in case" scenario if AMD and IBM could not pull through in time

But from that point on, I believed MS was going to aim for flexibility over exotic feature set.


Miles Quaritch said:
This is certainly good news, let's hope they maintain that drive throughout the entire generation and don't fall back into a third party with smatterings of first party offerings after a few years.

I want to see MS and their numerous studios putting out various new IP. Taking risks, etc.
Click to expand...

MS only receded because they weren't generating profit, thanks RROD!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Tune in tomorrow, March 27th, at 7 a.m. PT for a livestreamed Nintendo Direct (30 Minutes)
News  10 11 12 13 14
658
25K
rkofan87 replied
Suikoden Live broadcast set for May 15
8
194
saintjules replied
Famitsu Sales: Week 21, 2025 (May 19 - May 25)
Sales-Age 
29
415
ROJM replied
Bungie's Marathon set for April 12th reveal
News  11 12 13 14 15
728
28K
clarky replied
Warhammer Skulls 2025 announcement showcase set for May 22
News 
12
464
Hudo replied
Top Bottom