Only if Nintendo had competent people running their third party relations team
EA Sports Engineer: Wii U is crap, < powerful than 360. No $ 3party. [Tweets Deleted]
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this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
How was I supposed to know you didn't mean it? This is the internet. My stance: I'm calling the video game industry tyrannical if this guy gets fired for his opinion.
Dude, once again, the mental health of an EA employee has nothing to do with what we're talking about or what you were even responding to. I'm done with this, but please go back to the original posts.
Gee, I don't know, look at the context of the originating posts and how the word "insanity" is colloquially used in a forum?
Call Me Maybe
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Well, EA can't sue them any more than Nintendo can sue EA (as long as DICE/EA is credited for Frostbite in the video).
However, no Nintendo does not have access to the Frostbite code... to think it does is naive.
Little Green Yoda
Member
The lack of a Wii U version announcement worries me. The possibility a hypothetical Wii U version would abandon pointer controls does as well.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Well I don't think there's any precedent. But doing a wild guess I'd say that, since is an EA propietary engine, Nintendo can't modify the engine without the consent of EA. SO yeah, they could sue. But, as I said, I'm just guessing.
Someone with more expertise could tell you more.
Carpe Diem
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R U seriuos? I may concede FIFA license, but that in itself is a matter of personal taste. FIFA could never compete with PES in THE MOST IMPORTANT category "GAMEPLAY"!
It was all hypothetical. I was just wondering how sad could our law system be.
OrangeJulius
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You're right, it's not a metric at all, nor was it intended to be. But the company at the time was thought of as one that can do no wrong. From the decision to make the N64 cartridge based to the time they decided to make the WiiU another low powered console with a gimmick controller the companies public image is no longer one of a gaming behemoth.
Nintendo is slowly becoming a company like EA.
One that is hated more than loved.
That is bad for the long run if you aren't actually making sales like EA is. Yes I realize Nintendo is flush with cash now. But a rapidly changing market and a run of bad consoles can change that in a flash.
Flightmare
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Yeah, that will surely improve their relationship with third parties and get more games on the system
Wii U's "main memory" is MEM1, you're talking about MEM2. We don't know MEM1's bandwidth. All we know is that it's faster than MEM2. Probably a lot faster.
This is a nice idea in the playground or in fantasy land where game companies team up to fight against the big bad EA.
Call Me Maybe
Banned
Yikes, dont do this to yourself.
Natureboy99
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I think gamers that bought wiiu will be ok. Nintendo should release their usual generational games: a new mario, new zelda, a metroid, smash bros, mario kart, and a few other random franchises like pikmin. But third parties rightly should avoid wiiu, making it at best your second console this gen. At least they launched first. I think if theres a new smash game and mario kart this fall, and if ps4/xbox infinity are over $500, many gamers will go wiiu this year, next gen next year. Ps3 is getting the best library this year too, so that ps4 upgrade isnt a must have.
Call Me Maybe
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Well, as long as the coding is not modified, and as long as EA is properly credited, I'm not sure if EA would have any grounds for a lawsuit.
This is murky territory though, and I'm just guessing.
PES on wii, is absolutely amazing (game-play wise). Its like a real0time chess match. The best football game I've played to date.
I NEED SCISSORS
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This is getting RICH.
Carpe Diem
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What are its overall sales? Does it sell well on other platforms?
TalesOfWin
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kinda silly speculating on this considering no one from nintendo would steal the frostbite engine.
Call Me Maybe
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Oh yeah, it's a silly premise to begin with; the idea was predicated on if Nintendo somehow had access to Frostbite to begin with from the 'unprecedented partnership days,' but I see no reason why EA would share the complete coding for their in house engine with Nintendo.
Wasn't PES the only team sports game that actually figured out a really good use for the Wii Remote? I heard people saying it actually had an innovative control scheme that was better than using a standard controller. I always wondered if they ever transferred that over to PS Move.
Not like any of those companies give a shit.
Brad Grenz
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Different games stress hardware in different ways. Arkham City did feature reduced level geometry. Any games that would be significantly compromised by the WiiU's weaknesses simply aren't being brought over.
OG_Original Gamer
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I don't know, COD next gen could be a console mover MS and Sony, the visual difference will Night and Day. Almost forgot about Madden.
Quadraphonic
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I think it's time some people ran out and got more candles and incense to burn in their Nintendo shrine.
28 Posts Later
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I don't know about their other titles but FIFA sells millions, often at full price, every year. Why would they alter a clearly highly profitable strategy that the consumer is currently happy to support?
OrangeJulius
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The video game industry at it's core has always been about advancing tech and graphics. Of course the game itself needs to be fun and the gameplay needs to be fresh but some of you forget who video games are marketed at. Children and teens and young adults, people who for the most part just want flashy graphics to say wow too and some bad guys to shoot.
Nintendo has dedicated themselves to this mantra of "it's all about the gameplay and graphics are not important" and it's just bull crap. I for one don't think it's a bad mantra, I prefer gameplay over graphics myself. But that doesn't mean that graphics aren't an extremely important part of video games, they ALWAYS have been, anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves or is too young to have been there at or near the beginning.
Trying to sell back to back consoles on outdated tech is a bad, bad strategy unless you are putting out heaps and heaps of excellent games with great gameplay.
Nintendo didn't do it with the Wii and so far they aren't doing it with the WiiU and to a lesser extent the 3ds.
I know the staunch defenders will all point to Nintendos bank account and puff their chest and say "well they must be doing something right, lolololol". I say wait and see, but I don't think those bank accounts and fiscal statements will look so great in 3-5 years.
Nintendo has dedicated themselves to this mantra of "it's all about the gameplay and graphics are not important" and it's just bull crap. I for one don't think it's a bad mantra, I prefer gameplay over graphics myself. But that doesn't mean that graphics aren't an extremely important part of video games, they ALWAYS have been, anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves or is too young to have been there at or near the beginning.
Trying to sell back to back consoles on outdated tech is a bad, bad strategy unless you are putting out heaps and heaps of excellent games with great gameplay.
Nintendo didn't do it with the Wii and so far they aren't doing it with the WiiU and to a lesser extent the 3ds.
I know the staunch defenders will all point to Nintendos bank account and puff their chest and say "well they must be doing something right, lolololol". I say wait and see, but I don't think those bank accounts and fiscal statements will look so great in 3-5 years.
Yup, suddenly all these companies at the drop of a hat will team up with Nintendo and stomp EA into oblivion.
Can we call them "The Avengers" or "The Justice League"?
TreasureHunterG
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About a first-party helping them to promote their games? Why wouldn't they give a shit?
Now that EA shafted Wii U, this is Nintendo's alternative for EA's lack of support don't be missed. There's nothing to do about Nintendo "crushing" EA. It would be even better for Nintendo to go after these companies and create better relationships with them now that EA's absence created a potential hole in the system's audience.
maverick40
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Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.
DAYUM!!!!! That was amazing!
PES numbers aren't comparable to FIFA's across any problem.
I also believe Konami's big push for PES will actually be on PC, as well as next generation consoles. The PES community on PC has always been a pretty loyal and dedicated one, and now that PES is on Steam, that could be a huge opportunity for Konami to capitalise due to FIFA requiring Origin and the fact that FIFA isn't so much more clearly dominant over the competition on PC as it is on consoles.
Assuming that the Wii U will just get PES now seems incredibly short sighted and presumptuous. Konami have done absolutely nothing to support the Wii U so far, including the absence of a PES game last year. The absence of FIFA doesn't automatically mean the Wii U is suddenly a massive game changer for Konami, or that that's where their focus is going to be.
Relaxed Muscle
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I don't think Activision need help to promote COD.
Projectjustice
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Konami did say PES 2013 is coming. Is it out yet or does it have a date yet?
Do we know that? We know it will be for Battlefield 4, but we won't know anything about COD until Tuseday.
kobashi100
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Not sure on overall sales but the series has been on the decline on all platforms.
considering Wii had a huge userbase it always sold less then 360/PS3 versions.
PES on Wii had no serious competition from EA either. FIFA on Wii was a kiddy football game!
Winning Eleven on GC which was a japanese only release never sold well and that had no competition. This was when FIFA was a joke and PES/WE was at its very best!
There is no guarantee that Wii U will even get PES 2014.
The series has always sold less on nintendo hardware. Like I said before, PES isnt suddenly become this huge seller on Wii U because there is no FIFA 14.
Gamers will move to other hardware as they dont want to play PES. They want to play FIFA!
Carpe Diem
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The control scheme on the wii was indeed praised as being the best. Nintendo does not need FIFA nor EA for that matter!
Projectjustice
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Silly me, all this time I thought the videogames industry was about videogames.
There's really not much point in nintendo making their own middleware for thirdparties. It might be nice for some smaller devs and indies, but they have unity for that (not really a fan of Unity myself but whatever). It would be completely useless in regards to cross platform games, and even for the odd third party exclusive they manage to get, most studios would rather work with their existing tech, or their preferred middleware. Porting an engine to another platform is much quicker than porting a game to a different engine.
Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.
Sunhi. The Man. The Myth. The Legend.
Does this guy not know how Twitter works and is he unaware of similar incidents? Like he's been living under a rock for 3 years?
Looks like EA needs to give all their employees media training.
As far as his comments, the fact the he included some console warrior wank about Nintendo making third-party titles makes him look pretty silly. "Weird tablet". Ok.
Video game developers do hold opinions like this all the time - I mean just because you develop games doesn't mean you aren't also a console warrior. Buy why would you post it on Twitter?
I wonder if he posted that while at work.
Looks like EA needs to give all their employees media training.
As far as his comments, the fact the he included some console warrior wank about Nintendo making third-party titles makes him look pretty silly. "Weird tablet". Ok.
Video game developers do hold opinions like this all the time - I mean just because you develop games doesn't mean you aren't also a console warrior. Buy why would you post it on Twitter?
I wonder if he posted that while at work.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Here's what I believe (personal opinion).
So far, every developer who has complained about PS3 or 360 being difficult to develop for has developed for it using the same engines they were saying are not compatible with the system. How? It's not because the system sold millions. It's not because suddenly it got easier to develop for the consoles using some Wizard Jizz or Secret Sauce.
It was because:
1) Unprecedented Partnership; Moneyhat: Loads of it. Ensuring devs get paid for exclusive DLC, games and more.
2) Help from Sony/Microsoft to optimize the engine for the developers, and provide hands-on experience on how to improve the engine or how to create for the console.
3) Developers (First and Third Parties) showing in venues like GDC on how they made their games, so others can make it too.
4) Providing free devkits, and other software.
5) Showing third party that first party is supporting the shit outta the console.
6) Bundles, demos, marketplace ads, free patches, minor and major leverages to avoid any roadblocks and more.
All in all, we consumers are as important as the developers. Developers are, in the end, consumers for Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft. You have to go and suck whatever lollipop they cherish because you want their games on your system, no matter how shit the game is. Once the ball starts rolling, the rest will join in. If the developers are saying that Unreal Engine 3 is not working or Frostbite is not working or Source is nor working, I've never seen Sony or Microsoft say "Deal with it". No, they go and make sure it works.
So far, every developer who has complained about PS3 or 360 being difficult to develop for has developed for it using the same engines they were saying are not compatible with the system. How? It's not because the system sold millions. It's not because suddenly it got easier to develop for the consoles using some Wizard Jizz or Secret Sauce.
It was because:
1) Unprecedented Partnership; Moneyhat: Loads of it. Ensuring devs get paid for exclusive DLC, games and more.
2) Help from Sony/Microsoft to optimize the engine for the developers, and provide hands-on experience on how to improve the engine or how to create for the console.
3) Developers (First and Third Parties) showing in venues like GDC on how they made their games, so others can make it too.
4) Providing free devkits, and other software.
5) Showing third party that first party is supporting the shit outta the console.
6) Bundles, demos, marketplace ads, free patches, minor and major leverages to avoid any roadblocks and more.
All in all, we consumers are as important as the developers. Developers are, in the end, consumers for Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft. You have to go and suck whatever lollipop they cherish because you want their games on your system, no matter how shit the game is. Once the ball starts rolling, the rest will join in. If the developers are saying that Unreal Engine 3 is not working or Frostbite is not working or Source is nor working, I've never seen Sony or Microsoft say "Deal with it". No, they go and make sure it works.
PdotMichael
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Well, Konami thinks mostlikely the same things as EA and all the other third parties. You can't make money with the WiiU.