XtremeXpider
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And you know it because...?
Next Xbox Reveal Set For May 21, 10:00 A.M. PST, Livestreamed
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And you know it because...?
Obviously, there's no way to target both demographics with two different sets of features in a single device.
Iced_Eagle
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Yes. One hour commercial free.
Winterfang
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XtremeXpider
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Why not?
It's sad because you are heavily invested in MS and perceive these "bad pieces of info" more than another person. I'm looking at the big picture. We have multiple rumors of Durango trying to be the central box in the living room with DVR and possibly teaming up with cable companies to provide a set-top box experience like Roku. Add that with the talks of integration with the Win 8 ecosystem and interconnectivity between different systems and functionality with Kinect and you can see where this is going. MS's ambition is a wider scope then just games right now. Of course they'll have games. They don't want to alienate their fanbase at the beginning of a new generation so they will give them games to placate the core while they work on what they plan to really do with Durango and that's control the living room. As for Sony, I haven't heard any rumors of Sony trying to replace your cable box have you?
Sarcasm aside, I still feel the same. MS is going to give games because they want to keep the interest of the core until they get to a point where they can do what they really want with Durango.
Uh, that's not MS' approach at all. Sony and MS' approaches this past gen had been pretty identical, it's an all in one machine that's marketed first and foremost to gamers. It's a games machine first and foremost, not a Netflix box with gaming features.
I really don't understand where this assertion that MS has subjugated games stems from. Look at their new news website, look at the Xbox website, look at all of their marketing, look at all of their E3s, even recently and for their upcoming conference. Games hardly have taken a backseat or a side seat. It's not "oh and it also does games" and never has been.
At this point I'm just gonna guess that folks who feel spited by MS or are trying to fulfill some sort of agenda are propagating this idea. Maybe there will be some weight to it at Xbox Reveal when they completely gloss over game functionality, but as it stands, that's not so.
XtremeXpider
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Yes, and there are rumors that the new Xbox 360 model will be like this, not the next gen Xbox
It is great, one of the best thing about next xbox if true.
Lol. Do you know the MS plans? of course, it is better to create a lot of new game development groups only for the first year of the console...
You know some of the Sony plans, maybe you need to know the real MS plans before judging? The only thing you are doing is repeat the same statement from other threads "Sony is for cores", do yo really believe that Sony is only for core games? no apps? no TV streaming? lol.
Sarcasm detector broken
Maximilian Kolbe
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Thanks
How about you heavily against MS?And you known what is the problem with all these thing from your reply?
Nothing,they have games,so nothing,they give people more than games,and they still have games,they opened a lot of game studios not because they wanna troll us or waste money for something because ballmer think they have too much money the tower can't handle it
Yeah, but neither of those stand a chance to Google or Apple in terms of ecosystem integration possibility, only Microsoft. The living room is slowly moving towards being the hub for all other devices like tablets and phones as well.
You're going to see more people picking ecosystems instead of just products now.
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Hearing the same rumors pop up over and over again doesn't help. Obviously, we're all going to wait until the 21st and E3 to hear the whole story but saying "Do you know the plans?" over and over like some protective wards doesn't negate the fact that these rumors have appeared multiple times. I would like to be pleasantly surprised that MS comes out and does a Sony focusing on games but until then, I remain skeptical until I hear some of these rumors dispelled. I believe I'm entitled to that much.
Yes, I'm sure I'm heavily against MS when I just got done playing Halo 4 on my 360 earlier tonight and put this 'Only on Xbox' avatar on.
soundscream
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Was anything really mind blowing at the Sony reveal?
Aside from Deep Down and the bump in RAM there wasn't anything Amazing IMO.
Killzone and Drive Club looked good but not something that seemed like it was leaps and bounds over what a capable PC could do today.
The Vita stuff was interesting, but that would mean you would have to buy a Vita.......... :/
XtremeXpider
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Just like PS4-Vita-Xperia, but no, just Microsoft is the evit when talking about integration, ecosystem and interconnectivity. I have seen some people "happy" because they can buy the same game for Vita and PS3, but MS side is bad, even when they are offering something similar with Windows 8-WP8 and Xbox.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Oh ok,so rumors>>>confirmed news
visionarysellout
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I have to agree with the article that Microsoft's real competitors in this next-gen are going to be Apple and Google. Sony's marketing of the PS3 as "it only does everything" and their offerings of the same things MS was offering was strictly out of necessity because they didn't wanna get left behind. It was never going to be part of their overall strategy (other than the fact it could play blu-rays) until it was clear MS was really starting to develop thier console as this thing that could handle all these services in one experience. I think Sony got into the console business as they saw it could be complimentary to their consumer electronics business where Microsoft like Apple and Google are getting into the consumer electronics business to enhance their software and services. And next-gen is all about even more convergence. It's going to be a lot more than just "hey look, you can play your games and you can use it for Netflix too."... I think Sony's going to be more focused on tweaking their infrastructure at first, but after a couple years, Sony may be forced to either start doing all the stuff MS has planned or maybe they'll just find their own spot and be happy not trying to take over your everyday life as we know it. lol
XtremeXpider
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Fire and smoke from kotaku ah? or Edge. Where are they now? things can change, things can start like a plan and end like a different thing.
I have read a lot of sh!t about Windows 8 or MS, but I have Windows 8 in my PC and it is great. You don't have the full story, only what Kotako, Edge and the press know.
Microsoft real competitors are all, Android, Apple, Sony, Nintendo, the open source projects, Linux, because MS is not a VG company only.
And the competitors of Nintendo and Sony are not only MS. Tablets, phones, and new devices are competitors of Sony, MS and Nintendo. I think you can't win against them only with a "console for cores".
Maximilian Kolbe
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PS3 did that(entertainment console) first,not 360
visionarysellout
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It can.. and will be done, but probably not at first.. They're gonna have to start out by mainly speaking to the hardcore gamers and technology enthusiasts who will be interested in buying their system day one. As in, do what they're gonna do on Tuesday
As do none of you have the full story to be making assumptions that MS isn't taking the Xbox brand in this direction. Guess the 21st will be the tipping point.
XtremeXpider
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I'm wainting, I know MS can dissapoint, but I will wait until 21. I don't know the real MS plans, I know only smoke from the press.
How so?
Also, the difference is that Microsoft has the resources, ecosystem (most important), and line of devices to do actually do it successfully.
visionarysellout
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semantics... Apple and Google are definitely more a threat to them at this point than Sony...
As far as Nintendo being Microsoft's "real" competition, I'll have to laugh at that. If Nintendo doesn't shape up, they won't be in the hardware business for much longer. IMO. That won't be for at least several years though
Maximilian Kolbe
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PS3 bundle come with BD movies at first few year,that's one.
XtremeXpider
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I depends. I don0t see Apple stronger than Google. Iphone is not growing, even WP8 is growing more than iphone. And Apple TV has a real competitor, Roku. I mean, I think Microsoft and Google are the threat for Apple.
visionarysellout
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Nope. Pretty sure 360 was launched a full year before PS3 and they were already marketing it at E3 2005 as the future of entertainment. The "entertainment" part of the PS3 was their term to get Blu-Ray to be accepted as the standard HD disc format at the time.. c'mon..
visionarysellout
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True. It always depends. It can look drastically different another 5 years from now..
I'm also assuming things that haven't been announced on Tuesday, but we'll have to wait til then. Remember the rumor about them re-launching an Xbox 360 mini?
That's a poor reason.
Maybe it being a Blu-Ray player at all could be a point, but that was pretty much nullified once the digital download and streaming services took off.
Maximilian Kolbe
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That just means "entertainment" is different between 2005&2013 in gaffer's eye
The fact that i see many people don't think game are part of entertainment,but maybe part of console war weapons
Nullified or not they still bundled
Nothing to say?
James Sawyer Ford
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Sony is a much bigger threat to them than apple or google.
Microsoft risks spreading themselves too thin by focusing on a lot of connectivity that ultimately will not matter to most consumers, and as a result they could alienate their fanbase while simultaneously not capturing the non gamer masses they would like to bring in.
These systems sell on the back of core games. Always have. always will. And services are just something that comes with that package. Google and apple aren't competing for that core gamer market.
Microsoft risks spreading themselves too thin by focusing on a lot of connectivity that ultimately will not matter to most consumers, and as a result they could alienate their fanbase while simultaneously not capturing the non gamer masses they would like to bring in.
These systems sell on the back of core games. Always have. always will. And services are just something that comes with that package. Google and apple aren't competing for that core gamer market.
Angelus Errare
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Pretty sure PS2 was the first "entertainment" console that did more than simply play videogames if we're going to argue it. Xbox 360 took a step further.
Or alternatively PSX/Dreamcast if you could VCD. D:
Or alternatively PSX/Dreamcast if you could VCD. D:
Overall or being the preferred choice of the core group? I'd say yes to the latter.
U.S.A. and the U.K. says NO!
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kittens
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The sharing functionality is HUGE for me. If Microsoft doesn't at least match those features, the scales would be significantly tilted towards the PS4 for me.
Otherwise, you're right about Sony not showing anything particularly mind blowing. But what's perhaps more important is that they didn't make any major mistakes. It was perhaps the most solid hardware reveal ever. It might even be one of the best big video game presentations ever.
Also, I have a Vita and love it, lol. It's my first ever Playstation hardware.
Google is probably the biggest threat right now to them. Apple is always in the waiting to do interesting stuff, but the lack of innovation and passing of Mr. Jobs have clearly been big hits.
Not in the slightest at all.
Still a bad reason though.
Not in the slightest at all.
Still a bad reason though.
James Sawyer Ford
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I'm talking strictly about their gaming division.
Overall, of course apple and google are larger threats against windows, tablets, phones, etc.
But I feel the whole "entertainment hub" concept is completely overblown when it comes to console sales. Again, its all about the games -services like Netflix are important but they're not the primary reason someone picks up a console and I don't think Microsoft is going to change that
XtremeXpider
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Dreamcast had a web browser.
visionarysellout
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hey, don't take that as dissing on the PS3, but it was true. It was definitely not able to "do everything" when it first launched.. as in, the marketing wasn't going in that direction yet. I know I'm a new poster, but let's make it clear I'm not anti-Sony by any means. I didn't mean to say the 360 was the future of entertainment LOL, i just meant those were the words MS was using from day one
Digital downloads and streaming services aren't as big worldwide as DVD/Bluray yet so maybe in a few years, IMO if we talk of who did a better job at entertainment that would be MS they surely made the right moves but they still have a long road ahead to be the go to device for all things entertainment, I guess tuesday could be very exciting but I'm afraid only to mayor countries like US and UK.
njean777
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The iphone adoption rate is growing... and WP8 adoption has been terrible. Where are you reading your news from?
XtremeXpider
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visionarysellout
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alright guys, i know Sony wants to provide entertainment features, but what I was trying to say is............oh hell... screw this conversation. can we talk more about the tent?
Phire Phox
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Yes it did
What you mean with those GIF?
A web browser is not a videogame.
YOU WIN
njean777
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I have no clue what that gif is suppose to mean...
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