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peanutbutterlatte
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I think this too. I definitely think you would have to have been there at the time of release to enjoy Fallout 1/2. I've tried playing them many times, and they are awful.
Let's fight with violence.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Hahaha. I respect your opinion, but man Heroes was the beginning of the "Fall" for me. Not a terrible game, but strictly mediocre for me.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Hahaha. I respect your opinion, but man Heroes was the beginning of the "Fall" for me.
I knew that one would rile someone up, haha. I seriously don't get the hate for it, though.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Alundra is STLL the best Zelda it has more dungeons, better and much more difficult riddles, better music, awesome characters you love or love to hate, a disturbing and good story that is not afraid to shock you and kill characters. Alundra is for the lack of better words Zelda for "adults" its Zelda turned up to 11 its harder it does everything Zelda does but better and still gives you more content, awesome characters and a good shocking story. The only reason i can think of for someone to not like Alundra is that its to difficult but if you can deal with the difficult the game is a masterpiece.
It doesn't deserve the vitriol it receives, but I found the game to be pretty average at best.
MichaelCorleone
Banned
One more Knytt Underground is a brilliant underrated game.
China Dont Care
Banned
I dont like Mario. Nintendo sucks as well.
Arc Christelle
Member
Correct.
You. I like you. Respect.
Well personally while I too think it was the beginning of the fall, I shall use bullet points.
+It had great ideas for multiple characters and gameplay.
+Interesting stages
-It had poor execution.
-A lot of things that were functional and excellent in SA2 were problematic and disfunctional in Sonic Heroes (Light Dash/Spin Dash)
-Multiplayer framerate was terrible. (GCN version never played the others, but I know Shadow the Hedgehog was pretty bad in framerate on PS2)
-Repetition - killed that love towards the stages.
-Special Stages
-Everything that followed.
It was an Okay game, that got split into seperate pieces and devolved with each iteration (Shadow/06)
Sonic Heroes was okay. But you wanted them to improve with the next game.... but sadly... that never happened.
dream431ca
Banned
Halo ruined the FPS genre.
Like how? Making it popular on consoles?
Yup. Fallout 1 is pretty good and I like it, but FO3 is still better.
Fixed it. It has been surpassed significantly by MGS2 and then never looked back again.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Yeah, I have to admit the light dash was, to put it lightly, frustratingly broken, and the special stages were way too hard compared to previous games. I could never collect all the emeralds with any of the characters.
Ok here goes
Capcom has caused a decline in content for fighting games
They have shown that less is ok and made it popular
They have so many fans saying they revived the fgc when it was never dead and they left the scene for the longest time.
I think women in games get it better than minorities so really want to know why its ok to cry about sex and not race
AAA games are killing quality be sequalizing shit
yea sorry about this wanted to try it out though
Capcom has caused a decline in content for fighting games
They have shown that less is ok and made it popular
They have so many fans saying they revived the fgc when it was never dead and they left the scene for the longest time.
I think women in games get it better than minorities so really want to know why its ok to cry about sex and not race
AAA games are killing quality be sequalizing shit
yea sorry about this wanted to try it out though
Arc Christelle
Member
I agree with this. I always felt totally handicapped in every First-Person game both visually, and control-wise. (one of the reasons I didn't get into Metroid Prime)
Matter infact, the only First Person game I really enjoyed when it came to what I could do outside of shooters was Maken X/Shao.
It's something comparable to life. I view things in first person, but my awareness and control of my actions are in third-person. First person games do a poor job of conveying that feeling. Not to mention most don't even have basic platforming elements. (Edge grabbing, rolling, quick evasive movements, etc) and I really can't feel it when I run. Other than that... god forbid if I have to go through a fist fight in First Person......
Rock Em Sock Em Robots.
I really don't understand why the genre became popular.
I love GAF... so many people I can relate to.
Yeah. A functional Light Dash is a necessity for 3D Sonic games now. It's one of the reasons I kinda prefer Sonic of Unleashed to Generations. Generations limited his actions to certain areas while Unleashed allowed him to Light Dash and Wall Jump everywhere.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
MichaelCorleone
Banned
FMV was on Sega CD long before PS1.
JRPGs were hugely popular on SNES. FF3, Secret of Evermore, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, etc (US released titles alone.)
I let a lot of this slide, even agreed with some of it.
But DoA 5 and MK 9 being good games?
Elaborate on that how exactly are MK9 and DOA 5 bad games? Your played out drunken sailor jpeg proves nothing, you need to flesh out your point. If there is a point to be made.
Arc Christelle
Member
Your posts are so awesome and true, and yet.....you hate Yoshi's Island.
lol Thanks to be nice about it. Maybe I am being abit to harsh on Yoshi's Island, I recently revisited it. I don't think it's a garbage game or even bad as I feel towards Ristar (which has excellent swimming controls in contrast)
It's just that for some reason, I don't feel strongly towards that game. It's like how I feel towards Beyond Good and Evil. I thought the characters was interesting and Jade was a nice looking protagonist.... but after a couple of minutes in, While I thought it was interesting, it felt like a game that could be tossed in a pile of generic PS2 games. (especially compared to playing some games that were on Gamecube/ namely Super Mario Sunshine.)
But back on the subject of Yoshi's Island. While I may not favor that game. I do however love Yoshi's Story. That game doesn't get enough recognition, I actually wish you could play as the Black and White Yoshis in SSB and do just as much damage.
Also.... when Mario cries.... man... lol
Yes, I too want to know. I know Ed Boon just learned how to make decent fighting games, but MK9 was actually pretty deent, and despite the hatred and jokes about boobs DOA gets, it's actually a pretty competent 3D Fighting game.
MichaelCorleone
Banned
Shenmue while ground breaking at the time was boring as hell. It is more boring now than it was then. Yu Suzuki is a genius and visionary however Shenmue is his most boring work. Shenmue was great in its action fighting scenes they were sparse few & far between. S2 was way better but still suffered from a lack of action too bad that rumored VF arpg never became reality.
Yakaza series is far better because action is plentiful.
Also all God of War QTE haters seem to love Shenmue ironically the game coined the term & has an over abundance of quick time events.
Yakaza series is far better because action is plentiful.
Also all God of War QTE haters seem to love Shenmue ironically the game coined the term & has an over abundance of quick time events.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Max Payne 3 is a worthy continuation of the series.
Mushroomer25
Member
Female under representation in mainstream gaming is an indirect result of human evolution.
The human species evolved in two sexes, each of which distinct in ways associated with the typical gender role in our development as a species. The male and female brains are distinctly different, and react to the same stimuli in different ways. Male traits in the brain evolved for hunting & physical protection, while the female brain evolved for interpersonal relationships and child-raising. As human society moved past these animalistic roles, our brains have still retained those same differences. This is not to say that either gender is inherently superior in any given task - rather it means that on average, the majority population of each gender will gravitate towards activities that their brain was "built for". (Again, all of this is subject to change based on personal experience. But for the MAJORITY, they will trend towards the evolutionary role).
Here's where it connects back to games. Gaming is a focused, physical hobby based on the manipulation of objects in space. (Or rather figures on a screen, but that's all semantics). As a result, when the technology first reached mass consumer appeal - it resonated with a mostly male audience. That changed over time - as games have changed and approached the concept of play in different ways, they've become a fairly gender-neutral activity. However, the genres played are not always as consistent. As a majority, men and women tend to play differently. And since the male audience has been more active in the field for a longer period of time, the genres to which they play have become the "mainstream" titles. Now, since these games are (consciously or not) being developed for a masculine audience, it is a logical end result that they embrace masculine values over feminine.
This will change with time as more feminine genres rise in popularity, and more women who grew up loving games begin to work within the industry. But just as Hollywood develops films that are specifically targeted at a specific gender, gaming will always still treat the sexes differently.
The human species evolved in two sexes, each of which distinct in ways associated with the typical gender role in our development as a species. The male and female brains are distinctly different, and react to the same stimuli in different ways. Male traits in the brain evolved for hunting & physical protection, while the female brain evolved for interpersonal relationships and child-raising. As human society moved past these animalistic roles, our brains have still retained those same differences. This is not to say that either gender is inherently superior in any given task - rather it means that on average, the majority population of each gender will gravitate towards activities that their brain was "built for". (Again, all of this is subject to change based on personal experience. But for the MAJORITY, they will trend towards the evolutionary role).
Here's where it connects back to games. Gaming is a focused, physical hobby based on the manipulation of objects in space. (Or rather figures on a screen, but that's all semantics). As a result, when the technology first reached mass consumer appeal - it resonated with a mostly male audience. That changed over time - as games have changed and approached the concept of play in different ways, they've become a fairly gender-neutral activity. However, the genres played are not always as consistent. As a majority, men and women tend to play differently. And since the male audience has been more active in the field for a longer period of time, the genres to which they play have become the "mainstream" titles. Now, since these games are (consciously or not) being developed for a masculine audience, it is a logical end result that they embrace masculine values over feminine.
This will change with time as more feminine genres rise in popularity, and more women who grew up loving games begin to work within the industry. But just as Hollywood develops films that are specifically targeted at a specific gender, gaming will always still treat the sexes differently.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Is Maken X like Atlus' other first person games (like the early SMT series) where hitting down makes you do a 180 turn? That's how I like the first person perspective.
The typical 3D first person shooter is just bizarre to control, when you think about it (and for me -- in practice, which is why I don't really like them unless they're truly exceptional games.) Full 3D turning and strafing is some strange ass scorpion dance shit. Nobody actually moves like that, and while there's a case for, "fiction doesn't need to be realistic", it's a cognitive burden because of how the first person perspective attempts some sort of realism yet movement is nothing like our movement, if that makes sense.
Arc Christelle
Member
One step forward 3 steps back huh? lol
The difference between Shenmue and Yakuza was that Shenmue was more of a mystery/adventure with some fighting elements, while Yakuza was bigger on the beat em up style.
What made Shenmue impressive was really that one word I barely use "Immersion" The places was well detailed filled with interesting people and things to discover. It really felt like I was Ryo Hazuki, looking for answers, searching for clues, looking through stuff, while being in a pretty vibrant world filled with interesting characters and things to do, while being able to kick ass on the side. It's pretty much all about those details.
If Yakuza had the amount of enviromental detail+interaction as Shenmue, I would gladly say it surpasses it on all sides.
As for the QTE's in Shenmue, you don't necessarily have to succeed in most of them to progress, and most of them effect your outcome and health in battle. They are not overdrawn and over done, also they are usually twitch based, Ryo would do a very quick action in response to your input, instead of just A=Awesome finisher/etc.
On a sidenote, I loved Virtua Quest. I would like to see more of that.
I have opposite and less controversial opinion:
Lost Odyssey is the bes game of this (last) gen. Yes, like in all games not only RPGs.
It's a pity we will never see other game like this, game was loved enough, but not universally. Not by millions. We even won't see a sequel, let alone another new IP like this.
Wouldn't it be great if games embraced literature like LO?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a perfect game, it's just happens to be the best of one generation.
Arc Christelle
Member
If I can recall properly they did have this awesome command in which you could do a high jump over an enemy and face the other direction. And please recommend those other games to me, I really like the gameplay and Maken X and would love to give those a try.
Exactly, It just makes it hard to connect with it.
My man (or woman, whichever)!
I'm just a man who loves women, Arc Christelle, Master of Infinity. lol
TaroYamada
Member
If you honestly think the sega cd has no good games you are misinformed. Furthermore, sega cd definitely popularized fmv, to the point it was a detriment to the platform.
Atlus doesn't really have anything else that plays like Maken X I believe (it's an action game right?), only talking about the first person movement in their first person dungeon crawlers in this case.
If you're still interested, there's Soul Hackers that came out recently on the 3DS. And, well, the rest of the old Megaten games. I believe SMTIII/Nocturne also has a first person option, but it may or may not be exclusive to a Japanese version of the game. Not sure.
Infinite_Daremo
Member
I haven't enjoyed a Nintendo game since the N64 era (can't say i've played them all but the ones I did I didn't find fun)
I've preferred every reboot this gen over the original ( Splinter Cell, Hitman, Tomb Raider )
I can't play an FPS without RPG mechanics. I zone out from shooting shit all the time.
I've preferred every reboot this gen over the original ( Splinter Cell, Hitman, Tomb Raider )
I can't play an FPS without RPG mechanics. I zone out from shooting shit all the time.
Arc Christelle
Member
I've actually been wanting play that game ever since I was emulating Sega Saturn games.
This is actually one of the games that I want to get a 3DS for. I hope they plan to localize Princess Crown as well, I've made it half way through that game by relying on the opening that tells you everything.
Hey, I asked what your favorite game on it was for a reason.
EDIT: Wasn't SNATCHER released on CD? A friend recommended it to me, so I might check it out later,
China Dont Care
Banned
semiconscious
Member
this's why, when people talk about how much more 'immersive' a first-person game feels, i flat-out don't understand. maybe in the sense of remote-piloting a robot/drone, but, no, otherwise it feels nothing whatsoever like actually seeing, or moving around in, the world to me...
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Heheheh! The multiplayer is the best I've played since The Specialist Mod for Half-Life, too.
I think Final Fantasy VII is the Ultimate, undefeatable best game ever. Storywise, gameplaywise, characterwise, worldwise.
Ocarina of Time paved the way for 3D adventuring, but had too mild of a story. Mario 64 paved the way for 3D platforming and strictly nailed it on first try. But not only did FFVII pave the way, it delivered, exceeded and suprised on almost every front. That's why FFVII should be on every #1 spot in "best games ever"-lists
The second best game(series) is FFXIII thanks to FFXIII-2. Final Fantasy VIII comes after that, but that is purely nostalgic. I do realize I'm missing the proper context for playing FFVI because it never released in Europe. That's why I think it feels quite average to me.
Aerith's Theme is nice, but doesn't compare to Tifa's Theme, RedXIII's Theme or Yuffie's Theme. Even the Rabanastre Theme impales (lol) Aerith's Theme
If the story would've ended with FFXIII-2's ending. I'd be perfectly content with it.
A Final Fantasy VII remake is the most fun Square Enix can give without taking their clothes off, but it's better if they do.
Zelda-games on Nintendo-systems never failed to entertain me.
I can't get myself to finish Xenoblade or The Last Story. They're just not that immersive, I guess.
DmC, Metal Gear Rising and/or Bayonetta should be in everyone's gaming cabinet. Call of Duty raped the joy of exploration I used to get from FPS-games, and should therefore be eliminated.
Ocarina of Time paved the way for 3D adventuring, but had too mild of a story. Mario 64 paved the way for 3D platforming and strictly nailed it on first try. But not only did FFVII pave the way, it delivered, exceeded and suprised on almost every front. That's why FFVII should be on every #1 spot in "best games ever"-lists
The second best game(series) is FFXIII thanks to FFXIII-2. Final Fantasy VIII comes after that, but that is purely nostalgic. I do realize I'm missing the proper context for playing FFVI because it never released in Europe. That's why I think it feels quite average to me.
Aerith's Theme is nice, but doesn't compare to Tifa's Theme, RedXIII's Theme or Yuffie's Theme. Even the Rabanastre Theme impales (lol) Aerith's Theme
If the story would've ended with FFXIII-2's ending. I'd be perfectly content with it.
A Final Fantasy VII remake is the most fun Square Enix can give without taking their clothes off, but it's better if they do.
Zelda-games on Nintendo-systems never failed to entertain me.
I can't get myself to finish Xenoblade or The Last Story. They're just not that immersive, I guess.
DmC, Metal Gear Rising and/or Bayonetta should be in everyone's gaming cabinet. Call of Duty raped the joy of exploration I used to get from FPS-games, and should therefore be eliminated.
One of my favourite first person genres is the first person melee/beat em up
Chronicles Of Riddick, Dead Island, Dead Island Riptide, Condemned 1 and 2, Zeno Clash 1 and 2 and Breakdown. Love them all. There's just a feeling from playing a game in first person that you don't get from a third person game. It's more intense, you get in that character viewpoint and perspective (even if it's not exactly representative of a real persons view, I don't really care about that), If they get the feedback right nothing beats it.I've nothing against the third person viewpoint but I've always preferred first person myself. Just a personal opinion of course
Games that create black characters as stereotypical military/cop should try to be more creative and give us something different and cool at the same time
Would love some more walking dead like characters (the way we can relate to them)
Less Dlc....or to be fair it should be done right. No Dlc should be made while a game is being developed unless it is unlock able or the company will make a gold edition a year or so after original release. Having content that is time locked is ok or requires some grinding ( hard but not impossible) is cool too. By this I mean if sfxt ( even though I still think it is shit) was to off the Dlc characters day one for pLayers who want to pay is cool while maybe 4 months later they can be unlocked through beating the games story mode or online matches.
No game that has annual sequels should EVER have Dlc
Sorry second rant over
Would love some more walking dead like characters (the way we can relate to them)
Less Dlc....or to be fair it should be done right. No Dlc should be made while a game is being developed unless it is unlock able or the company will make a gold edition a year or so after original release. Having content that is time locked is ok or requires some grinding ( hard but not impossible) is cool too. By this I mean if sfxt ( even though I still think it is shit) was to off the Dlc characters day one for pLayers who want to pay is cool while maybe 4 months later they can be unlocked through beating the games story mode or online matches.
No game that has annual sequels should EVER have Dlc
Sorry second rant over
Arc Christelle
Member
One of my favourite first person genres is the first person melee/beat em up
I've nothing against the third person viewpoint but I've always preferred first person myself. Just a personal opinion of course
lol See that's why me and you clash when it comes to Lost Planet!!!
lmao I can respect your opinion, for me as a person who grew up on arcade and action games where combat must be well detailed. I'm more of a mechanics man than a visual man.
lol it reminds me of how shocked my friends get when I reveal that there are actually Western games I do like, ie. Mass Effect and Battlefield.
Nothing wrong with that
I like good mechanics too and some FPS I find more enjoyable than others. The melee subgenre is just really hard to do as well which is why there's so few of them so I appreciate the ones that do get made I love arcade and action games too. Hell I enjoy most genres, except dance games where you have to get up and actually move on a mat. My fat ass can't take more than one song before I collapse into a heap and pray I don't die on the spot.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Gonna seem weird to say but, I wish certain genres could be more creative. Like a Madden game with a mode where you have to avoid dinosaurs or something. Hell make Call Of Duty: Ghosts a Call of Duty where you fight ghosts. I dunno...