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[FordGTGuy]

Good news everyone if you're having a hard time sleeping tonight just watch the GT show you'll be asleep in no time.

 

[Officerrob]

So the tent is for playable demos after the stage presentation right?

The presentation is in the tent

 

[China Dont Care]

Do you think Black Tusk is working on a new IP or a sequel?

New IP, they are suppose to make a Halo like franchise.

 

[Bleedorang3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rridXskgWg

Believe

 

[soulassssns]

what a terrible show on gt

Agreed

 

[Drewfonse]

Wait, I read a few pages back that they're showing FIFA tomorrow. True?

If so, consider my pants well and truly shitted in.

 

[FordGTGuy]

This is about Xbox right?

Is Vinny going to come in and school these fools soon?

 

[NerdEyeBlind]

My hopes for new stuff tomorrow:

1) unexpected sequel (HALO WARS 2 or Alan Wake 2 or Perfect Dark 2)
2) expected sequels (PGR/Forza, New Fable, tease new Halo/Gears O' War)
3) announce the new LIVE functions/features by showing off Halo 2 HD remix (launch title)
4) Legit Megatons (KOTOR 3 announced, Fallout 4 Teaser, CoD Next-Gen Exclusive*)
5) Hopefully not too many 'Remastered' Editions of current gen games

*If not actual exclusive then a long time delay before coming out on PS4

 

[Phire Phox]

Wait, I read a few pages back that they're showing FIFA tomorrow. True?

If so, consider my pants well and truly shitted in.

Yup.

 

[Officerrob]

Wait, I read a few pages back that they're showing FIFA tomorrow. True?

If so, consider my pants well and truly shitted in.

True, but I'm guessing it's part of an EA Sports sizzle reel

 

[FordGTGuy]

Are they going to take any of this serious?

 

[RoKKeR]

My hopes for new stuff tomorrow:

1) unexpected sequel (HALO WARS 2 or Alan Wake 2 or Perfect Dark 2)
2) expected sequels (PGR/Forza, New Fable, tease new Halo/Gears O' War)
3) announce the new LIVE functions/features by showing off Halo 2 HD remix (launch title)
4) Legit Megatons (KOTOR 3 announced, Fallout 4 Teaser, CoD Next-Gen Exclusive*)
5) Hopefully not too many 'Remastered' Editions of current gen games

*If not actual exclusive then a long time delay before coming out on PS4

No way we get that many games tomorrow. It's about the console, people need to lower their expectations on the games side of things.

 

[Domino Theory]

I wonder if Velocity Girl's hiding under the tent right now?

 

[China Dont Care]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rridXskgWg

Believe

BLOW ME AWAY

 

[TheGravemind]

My hopes for new stuff tomorrow:

1) unexpected sequel (HALO WARS 2 or Alan Wake 2 or Perfect Dark 2)
2) expected sequels (PGR/Forza, New Fable, tease new Halo/Gears O' War)
3) announce the new LIVE functions/features by showing off Halo 2 HD remix (launch title)
4) Legit Megatons (KOTOR 3 announced, Fallout 4 Teaser, CoD Next-Gen Exclusive*)
5) Hopefully not too many 'Remastered' Editions of current gen games

*If not actual exclusive then a long time delay before coming out on PS4

If they announce kotor 3 i cry for the entire day

 

[GarthVaderUK]

ONE MORE SLEEP!

 

[FordGTGuy]

They don't even know who makes Forza??!!!!

 

[RyanReedyMusic]

New IP, they are suppose to make a Halo like franchise.

Should make for an interesting conference if this is true. Sweet

 

[China Dont Care]

They don't even know who makes Forza??!!!!

Link please i must watch.

 

[Uno Venova]

They don't even know who makes Forza??!!!!

Just stop watching lol.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Link please i must watch.

I recommend that you don't.

http://www.gametrailers.com/live

 

[Family Fry]

http://www.gametrailers.com/live

 

[shinobi602]

The only thing that would truly make me squeal like a schoolgirl tomorrow would be if Mass Effect 4 was revealed, honestly

 

[Officerrob]

Link please i must watch.

Only watch if you hate yourself

http://www.gametrailers.com/live

 

[Violater]

OP has me a little confused, no livestream for the public?

 

[Boco_Jones]

What's the best way to watch this quality wise? On 360 or GT?

 

[Xenon]

I wonder if Velocity Girl's hiding under the tent right now?

Well she is broke and homeless since she never got to sell all the stuff she made for XBL.

 

[antitrop]

I wish this was tomorrow morning instead of tomorrow afternoon. I feel like waking up, making a cup of coffee, smoking a bowl, and watching the presser.

Instead I will have to wait until the evening when I'm already pissed off and tired.

On the other hand it does leave a good portion of the day to build up hype.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Is Giant Bomb doing a preshow?

 

[sangreal]

It was E3 2006 when MS started the conference without anyone talking (straight to Gears of War gameplay demo). These guys have a terrible memory

 

[Winterfang]

Do you guys think they will change the controller too much?

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

It was E3 2006 when MS started the conference without anyone talking (straight to Gears of War gameplay demo). These guys have a terrible memory

I tend to watch every GT show (yes, kill me please) and is not bad memory, they just don't give a fuck about Xbox.

 

[RoboPlato]

Do you guys think they will change the controller too much?

No way. Their fanbase loves the controller. I expect it to be pretty much the same, just tweaked in aesthetics to match the new console and an improved d-pad.

 

[BlackJace]

Do you guys think they will change the controller too much?

I saw a rumor about a "flattened" controller. No idea what that means, but it sounds yucky

 

[lamaroo]

I haven't been paying attention, is this only streaming on gametrailers?

 

[Four_Chamber]

http://www.gametrailers.com/live

2 minutes in want to shoot myself. One of the worst things I have watched regarding the Xbox and that's saying a lot.

 

[sangreal]

"Unprecedented that these companies do these things before e3"

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Make it sexy Microsoft

 

[dragonbane]

Bosman thinks 30% will be boring lol

 

[Sponge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rridXskgWg

Believe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NicI4HKgx10

Believe 2: Pinata Boogaloo

 

[China Dont Care]

I recommend that you don't.

http://www.gametrailers.com/live

HOLY SHIT, these guys are fucking terrible. I'd rather watch Brad play DOTA 2

 

[Boco_Jones]

Do you guys think they will change the controller too much?

the controller is basically the same.

 

[Xenon]

Do you guys think they will change the controller too much?

There will be a bio sensor that automatically pauses the game when you set it down.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

Well,.... one day away and I can't wait to see if my insider was right, or just blowing smoke up my ass. What I was told....


Backwards compatible......

2 scaler chips (whatever the hell they use that for)

Controller or some Controller will have a built in screen, as well as rumble in the triggers buttons and analog sticks.

$399, give or take a few...

If any games from Rare are talked about, there should be some game that is water based and really good water effects.

and never forget these magic numbers that he talked about a long time ago, only to change them a couple months back. WE WILL FINALLY KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS! "20...8T, 8T - 5G, 6G ...13"

These are from my site, I will not link so as not to break forum rules (if any). But here are some transcripts from my insider with all that was told. Will he be right? Will my site earn some real 2 legit 2 quit cred?!?!?! Stay tuned!

ps... believe me if you will, or not. I'll finally find out tomorrow if my boy struck gold.

thed told me some great info, and i was able to copy before he deleted all his stuff! LOOK AT THIS CONTROLLER NEWS!!!!


thedorad : so, the next controller will be very similar, but there are some awesome core gamer changes...
(20:48:10) thedorad : next gen force feedback on triggers and analog stcks
(20:49:24) miDnIghtEr20C: what!!?!!??!
(20:49:24) thedorad : plus, a discrete screen in the center. you dont see it when the screen is off, but it's amazing... it delivers some crucial information to the user...
(20:49:29) miDnIghtEr20C: that sounds wild!

thedorad : charging and batteries tbd... likely similar to 360...
(20:50:36) miDnIghtEr20C: i don't mind batteries
(20:50:43) miDnIghtEr20C: that sounds awesome though
(20:50:48) miDnIghtEr20C: wow.. on the sticks and triggers?
(20:50:50) miDnIghtEr20C: interesting.
(20:51:25) thedorad : Forza feels fucking amazing with it.
(20:51:50) miDnIghtEr20C: wow
(20:51:54) miDnIghtEr20C: i didn't even think of that!
(20:51:59) miDnIghtEr20C: and a tiny screen?
(20:52:28) thedorad : it's not tiny... it's just discrete.
(20:52:41) miDnIghtEr20C: interesting.

(09:25:31) thedorad : Hey man. Smiley
(09:25:35) miDnIghtEr20C: we are all excited as hell!
(09:25:42) miDnIghtEr20C: all the rumors swirling!
(09:25:59) miDnIghtEr20C: we are all salivating at the rumors!
(09:26:27) thedorad : Awesome!!! Yeah, it's a bit of a downer that so much has leaked...but the good thing is that so much is out there that is't true, it masks some of the stuff that is true...
(09:27:01) thedorad : That said, I'll bet some of you guys have been able to figure out what's tue and what's not..
(09:27:52) miDnIghtEr20C: a little
(09:27:56) miDnIghtEr20C: i'm guessing the 8 gigs
(09:28:07) thedorad : Yep.
(09:28:13) miDnIghtEr20C: and actually, i'd have to open another page to see the other rumors. lol
(09:28:17) miDnIghtEr20C: can't remember off the top
(09:28:21) thedorad : Hahaha...
(09:28:36) miDnIghtEr20C: not much has leaked on the controller!
(09:28:45) miDnIghtEr20C: ha ha! i feel as only i know!
(09:28:47) thedorad : Yep. Cheesy
(09:28:55) miDnIghtEr20C: discrete screen! rumble on triggers if still going on
(09:28:57) miDnIghtEr20C: great!
(09:29:11) miDnIghtEr20C: you see the rumor of ps3 being stronger than new xbox?
(09:29:14) miDnIghtEr20C: uh oh!
(09:29:25) miDnIghtEr20C: i'm guessing the core thing is correct as well
(09:30:24) miDnIghtEr20C: here was an ign list...
(09:30:25) miDnIghtEr20C: 1. State of Decay and LocoCycle will be the stars of this year’s Summer of Arcade.

2. Shadow Complex 2 will finally be announced…as an Xbox Live Arcade launch title on the next-generation Xbox.

3. Said next-generation Xbox will be publicly announced at a special event one month or less prior to E3 in June. It will be broadcast live on Xbox Live and the Internet.

4. Microsoft will take a page from the Apple playbook and officially call the next-gen Xbox simply “Xbox.” Not Xbox 720, not Xbox Infinity, not anything else. We’ll casually refer to it as “The New Xbox” for a while until it’s not new anymore.

5. The New Xbox (see, we’re doing it already!) will cost $400 in its most popular/gamer-friendly configuration. Not a penny more. A basic, smaller-storage version will run you $350.

6. The New Xbox will be released in November and kick serious ass on both the tech bench and at retail store registers.

7. Bungie’s new game Destiny will be the headliner at Microsoft’s E3 press conference and be the flagship title for T

(09:30:53) thedorad : Yeah, we actually have a fair amount of research on the next Playtation, and it likely will be a bit more powerful in raw specs...but the question is how efficient will it be... and we're predicting that there won't be a huge delta in perf, but Sony will probably have a technical edge.
(09:31:11) miDnIghtEr20C: and another from vgrumors... which btw, is a side sister site of here. Smiley
(09:31:13) miDnIghtEr20C: CPU:

- x64 Architecture

- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)

- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache

- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache

- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources

- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock

GPU:

- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor

- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads

- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle

- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second

High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present

Storage and Memory:

- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)

- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)

- from the GPU's perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.

-
(09:31:33) miDnIghtEr20C: i think Sony is rushing this time around
(09:31:45) miDnIghtEr20C: they were supposed to have such a strong 10 year plan.
(09:32:11) thedorad : yeah, those specs are pretty much accurate.
(09:32:31) miDnIghtEr20C: those damn guys that bought the durango cpu!
(09:32:41) miDnIghtEr20C: a lot of guys on hdd say they won't buy unless it's bc
(09:32:47) miDnIghtEr20C: hope it's bc a bit!!
(09:32:51) miDnIghtEr20C: shut them up!
(09:33:46) miDnIghtEr20C: i'm getting so excited for the start
(09:33:46) thedorad : Something they don'tmention, though, is the new box will have TWO scaler chips... and what's cool about that is the UI can always be 1080p, while in-gamerendering resolutions can scaled to increase perf as needed... two dynamic resolution planes.It's nifty.
(09:34:29) thedorad : It'll defintely be BC... definitely. But, willevery game work? Probably not...
(09:34:31) miDnIghtEr20C: nice
(09:34:42) miDnIghtEr20C: OH SHIT!
(09:34:45) miDnIghtEr20C: thanks for that tidbit!
(09:34:48) miDnIghtEr20C: that's awesome
(09:35:04) miDnIghtEr20C: that info (from my source, hidden as always) is very nice!
(09:35:16) miDnIghtEr20C: i'm trying to get into e3
(09:35:22) thedorad : Nice!
(09:35:28) miDnIghtEr20C: but 750 is fucking expensive!
(09:35:45) thedorad : Yeah.... it is... Sad
(09:36:03) thedorad : Hey, sorry I never got you those codes... I just got really busy.
(09:36:12) thedorad : I didn't forget, though.
(09:36:21) miDnIghtEr20C: no worries
(09:36:25) miDnIghtEr20C: i was just bustin your balls
(09:36:35) miDnIghtEr20C: i know you haven't forgotten about us
(09:36:44) miDnIghtEr20C: your small followers!
(09:36:46) miDnIghtEr20C: ha
(09:36:55) thedorad : Hahahaha...
(09:37:04) miDnIghtEr20C: how's perfect dark looking? still launch ready?
(09:38:26) miDnIghtEr20C: kinect sports 3 maybe
(09:38:40) thedorad : I kno that Rare's other title is heavily invested in water simulation...it's pretty amazing to see what they've done.
(09:38:41) miDnIghtEr20C: how's the controller looking? you guys going touch screen? or just regular
(09:38:48) miDnIghtEr20C: i love water games
(09:38:56) miDnIghtEr20C: wish hydro thunder was a full game
(09:38:58) miDnIghtEr20C: lol
(09:39:32) miDnIghtEr20C: LOVED that game
(09:39:41) miDnIghtEr20C: if it's like that... then you just gave me a morning boner
(09:39:44) thedorad : Then I think you'll like what's coming from Rare... Smiley
(09:39:59) miDnIghtEr20C: i just post about that game about 3 weeks ago, saying i wish nintendo would make a next gen waverace
(09:40:06) miDnIghtEr20C: awesome B)
(09:41:47) miDnIghtEr20C: i'm looking forward to it all man
(09:42:03) thedorad : Me too... I cn't wait for us to announce!!
(09:42:03) miDnIghtEr20C: i think MS is in the drivers seat where it matters most.. here in the USA
(09:42:08) miDnIghtEr20C: giving us all what we want
(09:42:20) miDnIghtEr20C: i'm guessing you guys announce before E3 right?
(09:42:23) miDnIghtEr20C: that other game show.
(09:42:27) miDnIghtEr20C: forget the name
(09:42:45) miDnIghtEr20C: awesome man
(09:42:53) miDnIghtEr20C: thanks a lot for coming back
(09:43:01) miDnIghtEr20C: we live for you sneaky tidbits
(09:43:11) miDnIghtEr20C: it makes our nerdy video game lives very exciting.
(09:43:33) miDnIghtEr20C: maybe next time you can let us know a bit more about kinect 2.0!
(09:43:50) thedorad : Cheesy
(09:44:56) miDnIghtEr20C: ok man... i have to get ready for work too
(09:44:58) miDnIghtEr20C: have a good one
(09:45:00) miDnIghtEr20C: see ya later

This was talked about, before he revised the magic numbers. This is about the original numbers he said.

(18:05:07) miDnIghtEr20C: thedorad.... you have me excited for this new xbox.. with your talk dammit!
(18:05:14) VOLTAN: I remember when Frank O'Connor was just an editor for Official Xbox Magazine
(18:05:20) thedorad: So Mid, if you could know ONE thing about the new box, what would it be?
(18:05:33) miDnIghtEr20C: wow.........
(18:05:39) miDnIghtEr20C: hmmmmmmmmm
(18:05:55) miDnIghtEr20C: well now
(18:06:04) VOLTAN: I'd like to know if I'll be able to play used games on it
(18:06:18) miDnIghtEr20C: i'd imagine that's a given... but what would i like to know
(18:06:20) VOLTAN: Or buy one copy of a game, and use it on my multiple xboxes
(18:06:37) miDnIghtEr20C: well... for me it would be down to either specs....
(18:06:40) miDnIghtEr20C: release...
(18:06:45) miDnIghtEr20C: launch games...
(18:06:55) miDnIghtEr20C: or... hell i don't know off the top of my head.
(18:06:58) VOLTAN: specs are always nice
(18:07:10) VOLTAN: terabyte?
(18:07:31) thedorad: Alright... well, I'll give you a bit more info around the 5t, 8t, 4G, 6G...
(18:07:50) miDnIghtEr20C: that's cryptic
(18:07:58) thedorad: 5 and 4 are related. 4 and 6 are related.
(18:08:00) miDnIghtEr20C: i'm not too techy on spec stuff... so ya, that riddle eludes me
(18:08:10) thedorad: whoops! Mistype...
(18:08:11) miDnIghtEr20C: hmmm
(18:08:16) thedorad: 6 and 8 are related.
(18:08:33) miDnIghtEr20C: man....
(18:08:35) thedorad: T is the first letter for something...
(18:08:41) thedorad: G is the first letter for something...
(18:08:53) VOLTAN: juice!!!
(18:08:57) miDnIghtEr20C: Tony Gonzales?
(18:09:01) miDnIghtEr20C:
(18:09:02) miDnIghtEr20C: lol
(18:09:03) thedorad: Hahahaha...
(18:09:21) miDnIghtEr20C: hmmmm...
(18:09:21) VOLTAN: g is gigs of ram
(18:09:29) VOLTAN: t is....terabytes?
(18:09:32) thedorad: nope!
(18:09:34) VOLTAN: that would be way to big
(18:09:40) miDnIghtEr20C: G and T
(18:09:41) miDnIghtEr20C: hmmmm
(18:09:42) VOLTAN: on both of those tho
(18:09:48) VOLTAN: or, is it....Huh?
(18:10:40) miDnIghtEr20C: 6G 8T related
(18:10:43) VOLTAN: G sized titties?
(18:10:46) miDnIghtEr20C: both start of a word the letters.
(18:11:09) miDnIghtEr20C: 5T 4G are related.
(18:11:10) miDnIghtEr20C: hmmm
(18:11:20) thedorad: Yes... 6G 8T - related... 4G 5T related...
(18:11:35) miDnIghtEr20C: and the G keeps being put before the T
(18:12:01) miDnIghtEr20C: i think it means that miD is getting an invite for Showtime for Free to represent at E3 this year and find out!
(18:12:22) thedorad: Hahahah... nice!
(18:12:51) VOLTAN: graphite.....
(18:13:11) miDnIghtEr20C: ok.. i'm going to have to remember this 6G 8T - related... 4G 5T related
(18:13:27) VOLTAN: On that E3 note, why not apply for it Mid?
(18:13:37) VOLTAN: We have a great gaming site
(18:13:41) VOLTAN: We do reviews
(18:13:48) thedorad: I'll let you think more about that... but as for games - we have a huge new IP in the works, and a classic IP that I think everyone wants to be re-done right...
(18:13:53) miDnIghtEr20C: now the T and G.. what are these?
(18:13:54) VOLTAN: We get a lot of hits
(18:14:05) VOLTAN: Worst thing they can say is No
(18:14:10) miDnIghtEr20C:
(18:14:18) miDnIghtEr20C: i'm trying to figure these letters
(18:14:21) miDnIghtEr20C: G.. games?
(18:14:34) thedorad: T----, and G----
(18:14:42) VOLTAN: Classic IP re-done right?
(18:14:45) thedorad: Hmmm... you might be on to something there, Mid... ;-)
(18:14:50) VOLTAN: Now THAT is some juice!!
(18:14:59) miDnIghtEr20C:
(18:15:07) miDnIghtEr20C: well.. i'm thinking.... as much as i can
(18:15:10) miDnIghtEr20C:
(18:15:23) VOLTAN: Timed Games?
(18:15:24) miDnIghtEr20C: are the t and g the same on both.. same words?
(18:15:34) thedorad: YEs.
(18:15:38) miDnIghtEr20C: hmmmm timed games?
(18:15:41) miDnIghtEr20C: that
(18:15:43) miDnIghtEr20C: s
(18:15:47) miDnIghtEr20C: interesting thought..
(18:15:48) thedorad: Nope, not timed...
(18:16:01) miDnIghtEr20C: i've always said that the new COD for next generation.. needs to be done on Xbox first!
(18:16:15) thedorad: ...and the 4/5 and 6/8 refer to something with regards to specs... not games...
(18:16:23) miDnIghtEr20C: Triple A Games
(18:16:40) miDnIghtEr20C: so very interesting.. how dare you!
(18:17:09) VOLTAN: Copy and save this convo somewhere Mid
(18:17:23) thedorad: Well, now I've given you a hint about the games, and a hint about the specs... just remember this when we do our official announcements...
(18:17:55) miDnIghtEr20C: i might. and then clip out and save only the interesting stuff with NO NAMES... by the way... as always.. chat is private and closed to guest.. for everyone's fyi
(18:17:58) miDnIghtEr20C: only members can see chat
(18:17:58) thedorad: ...and I'm cool with you guys talking among yourselves, but please don't distribute this conversation outside of this community. If I see anything about any of this on other sites, I'll have to pull back and not say anything.
(18:18:10) miDnIghtEr20C: you know we will thed!
(18:18:17) thedorad:
(18:18:19) miDnIghtEr20C: i hear ya on that...
(18:18:27) miDnIghtEr20C: and i've been in contact with you for some time now
(18:18:30) VOLTAN: What conversation?
(18:18:38) thedorad: Exactly.
(18:18:39) VOLTAN:
(18:18:47) thedorad: Thanks guys! I'll be in touch... take care!
(18:18:47) miDnIghtEr20C: met you on Sony.com... Errrr HDD.. and been MS friends ever since!
(18:18:50) miDnIghtEr20C:
(18:18:58) miDnIghtEr20C: later hed
(18:19:01) miDnIghtEr20C: thed
(18:19:06) miDnIghtEr20C: work on that E3 this year if you can!
(18:19:07) VOLTAN: Take care thedorad!!
(18:19:12) miDnIghtEr20C: i'd love to take pics and rep for the site!
(18:19:19) thedorad: Later, Mid. Later, Voltan!
(18:19:23) miDnIghtEr20C: see ya
(18:19:23) VOLTAN: Thanks for stopping by and giving us something to chew on

 

[FordGTGuy]

2 minutes in want to shoot myself. One of the worst things I have watched regarding the Xbox and that's saying a lot.

Pretty much the same feeling I've had for all their videos so far.

 

[RoboPlato]

I've seen and held the controller briefly and its basically the same.

Daaaaamn. Where did you get that chance?

 

[Windu]

Kind of obvious that Microsoft is going to be all about Xbox Games everywhere when they keep talking about the entire game industry, not just consoles

(although xbox games on W8, and WP8 should probably be enough clues)

http://blogs.technet.com/b/firehose...s-the-latest-on-gaming-industry-s-growth.aspx

 

[dragonbane]

the controller is basically the same.

All lies! Proof?

 

[Syphon Filter]

XBOX Odyssey actually sound nice.

 

[Winterfang]

No way. Their fanbase loves the controller. I expect it to be pretty much the same, just tweaked in aesthetics to match the new console and an improved d-pad.

So did Sony fans and they had to endure 3 Generations of the shittiest controller imaginable. That's why I hope they make some good improvements, the console needs to last at least 5 years.