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[XtremeXpider]

Were there even any decent leaks prior to the PS4 conference?

Besides, after Orthgate they probably stepped up security quite a bit.

Controller, share button, specs (PS4)...

 

[Sydle]

I think people underestimate the progress Microsoft made this gen.

Even with RROD they effectively tripled(or more) their market share in a single generation.

Many believe that they unwound it with their Kinect/casual agenda and won't be able to recapture the core gamers.

 

[killer rin]

Thanks a lot, looks like it should work.

Awesome, No problem.

 

[sangreal]

Where are the stream links?

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hub/reveal

It's up, but they aren't showing anything

 

[Meelow]

The last time I checked the final standings of our most recent generation, the console with the weakest 1st party support and what was considered the strongest third party support, currently stands in last place.

This too, holds for handhelds.

Lets be real here, if Microsoft had no third party support the Xbox would of vanished in the 6th gen.

 

[FordGTGuy]

I just recall leaked images and mock ups of the 360 being out there before the reveal. Probably nothing for the PS4 as there was no final hardware yet I suppose. Other than the controller.

PS4 prototype controller leaked before hand.

 

[Zaventem]

Were there even any decent leaks prior to the PS4 conference?

Besides, after Orthgate they probably stepped up security quite a bit.

The controller leaked by destructoid.

 

[Conor 419]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others. To claim first party support is unimportant cannot be considered anything but unreasonable.

 

[zedge]

Here is a blurry picture

:lol

Thanks.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Controller, share button, specs (PS4)...

I guess in that case we had some rumored specs and of course the online required for 720.

 

[Miles X]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced with the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others.

Right, I fail to see your point?

They're neck and neck in sales, and third party support is almost identical.

So what?

Also it's not ambiguous to those with common sense, PS3 was down in every region last year, so it didn't ship more than the previous year, that's backwards logic.

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others. To claim first party support is unimportant cannot be considered anything but unreasonable.

Gee whiz, NOW I know where this is going.

 

[FordGTGuy]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others. To claim first party support is unimportant cannot be considered anything but unreasonable.

RROD effectively killed the year advantage, also if you compare the PS2 and OG Xbox marketshares before the X360 and PS3 launches the sales performance of the PS3 was pretty terrible.

 

[XtremeXpider]

vgleaks next gen Xbox Companion: http://www.vgleaks.com/use-your-mobile-or-tablet-with-durango-xbox-companion/

Companion scenarios rely on a Wi-Fi connection with low latency and reliably high bandwidth between the console and the Companion devices, which connects over a Wi-Fi access point by default. The data stream to and from the console is encrypted.

The user will be prompted to connect directly to the console over peer-to-peer Wi-Fi, if network conditions aren’t favorable through the access point. For the most accurate simulation of the consumer experience, do not attempt to connect in infrastructure mode if your access point is several rooms away, or if you are in a setting with high levels of Wi-Fi traffic.

 

[fi3rypho3nix]

I guess in that case we had some rumored specs and of course the online required for 720.

So far those are rumors. The controller was clearly a prototype and therefore a leak.

 

[Winterfang]

According to VG Chartz it is...but barely...Keep in mind though MS has a commanding lead in North America.

Microsoft has a commanding lead in America, no presence whatsoever in Japan. Both consoles had their problems also, it's quite remarkable that both of them came this far.

Also I wonder how many posters actually believe Microsoft ended in last place.

 

[Takuya]

Controller, share button, specs (PS4)...

Only the dev controller.

There were no 'real' leaks per se, and everything else was taken from rumors.

 

[SpartanN92]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.
.

Worldwide, not America. America is the largest demographic and MS has it secured.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Only the dev controller.

There were no 'real' leaks per se, and everything else was taken from rumors.

The controller was not real?

 

[Officerrob]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others. To claim first party support is unimportant cannot be considered anything but unreasonable.

How about that fantastic Gamecube first party support!

 

[Lasthope106]

I'm predicting a lot of people will be severely disappointing. MS next-gen machine won't be as powerful as the PS4. The only way they can beat Sony on the reveal is by showing amazing games, which by the announcement that I saw in an earlier thread, won't happen till E3.

 

[Takuya]

The controller was not real?

It was a dev prototype, it wasn't the actual dualshock 4.

 

[Winterfang]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others. To claim first party support is unimportant cannot be considered anything but unreasonable.

...Are you made of wrong?

 

[FordGTGuy]

Only the dev controller.

There were no 'real' leaks per se, and everything else was taken from rumors.

Oh c'mon Takuya that developer controller effectively leaked the camera controller integration and the share button.

Not to mention the touch pad and most of the shape change.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

Only the dev controller.

There were no 'real' leaks per se, and everything else was taken from rumors.

How is a picture of a prototype controller not a 'real' leak?

 

[Officerrob]

It was a dev prototype, it wasn't the actual dualshock 4.

It was damn near the same thing

 

[XtremeXpider]

It was a dev prototype, it wasn't the actual dualshock 4.

Then, dev controller leaked, but it was not a leak... ok

 

[Takuya]

Oh c'mon Takuya that developer controller effectively leaked the camera controller integration and the share button.

It did not leak the share button. Nobody knew what those buttons were for. They didn't have markings. People theorized them being the share button, but then, what's the other button for? All from rumors.

 

[Conor 419]

Worldwide, not America. America is the largest demographic and MS has it secured.

Nintendo, have the American market 'secured', for the record. Also, I have to ask, are you saying the U.S market is more important than the Worldwide market?

Right, I fail to see your point?

My point is the original point, first party software is imporant. Microsoft not headlining their flagship hardware with their own software does not send a good message.

How about that fantastic Gamecube first party support!

The PS2's exclusive content dominated the Gamecube?

 

[Winterfang]

It was a dev prototype, it wasn't the actual dualshock 4.

Does that mean that there's still time to get rid of the sticks placement?

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I'm predicting a lot of people will be severely disappointing. MS next-gen machine won't be as powerful as the PS4. The only way they can beat Sony on the reveal is by showing amazing games, which by the announcement that I saw in an earlier thread, won't happen till E3.

Depends on what's shown and most of all, depends on the whole 'online requirement' deal. If it's revealed that it requires a constant connection or even just a connection to "authenticate" a game, a lot of stomachs (including mine) will drop.

 

[Sydle]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others. To claim first party support is unimportant cannot be considered anything but unreasonable.

Not that I want to help drag this out, but PS3 got nowhere close to overcoming the 360 in NA. If MS captures NA again and pursues aggressive EMEA growth (seems very likely given their studio growth over there) then they'll see significant gen over gen growth again.

 

[Meelow]

It was a dev prototype, it wasn't the actual dualshock 4.

It was still the controller.

That was a pretty big leak, even with the Wii U months before E3 2011 we were getting details about it's controller and some games.

 

[mingoguaya]

Am I the only one who actually likes the name Xbox Infinity. Kind of hoping that is final.

I like it also. Lets hope its the final name, I would hate it for them to name it something stupid like "The New Xbox".

I've always been partial to Xbox Next, too. So I hope it is one of those two.

 

[Y2Kev]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others. To claim first party support is unimportant cannot be considered anything but unreasonable.

I don't know that it really has anything to do with anything for tomorrow though. We know Microsoft is showing at least one first party franchise and they will be showing many more at E3 as well.

 

[Miles X]

Nintendo, have the American market 'secured', for the record. Also, I have to ask, are you saying the U.S market is more important than the Worldwide market?

lol what are you smoking, in what way do Nintendo have the American market 'secured'

Have you seen the latest NPD numbers???

 

[Painraze]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others. To claim first party support is unimportant cannot be considered anything but unreasonable.

So... you're saying PS3 lost in the U.S. (biggest game market) and the UK because of it's fantastic first party support?

 

[FordGTGuy]

How is that not a leak?

It did not leak the share button. Nobody knew what those buttons were for. They didn't have markings. People theorized them being the share button, but then, what's the other button for? All from rumors.

I know I heard people speculating that it was a share button.

I'm predicting a lot of people will be severely disappointing. MS next-gen machine won't be as powerful as the PS4. The only way they can beat Sony on the reveal is by showing amazing games, which by the announcement that I saw in an earlier thread, won't happen till E3.

Evidence?

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

I've been killing some time listening to a lot of 360 exclusive soundtracks.

Let me share some with you and you can share some of your favorites if you want:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vO4TvQyZ4o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-AYc-YthII

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiyWOHqhUb4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE9BE3H01-g

 

[Takuya]

It was still the controller.

That was a pretty big leak, even with the Wii U months before E3 2011 we were getting details about it's controller and some games.

We've been getting information about the next Xbox as well, people choose to dismiss them or believe them, but it's still information.

And it wasn't 'the' controller, it was 'a' controller. A dev prototype.

 

[soulassssns]

Nintendo, have the American market 'secured', for the record. Also, I have to ask, are you saying the U.S market is more important than the Worldwide market?

Nobody said important besides you. Are you trying to start a flame war?
There is a huge difference between "largest" and "important".

Anyway, how does this lame topic have anything to do with the nextbox reveal.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

leaks..... lol well, I have to say "good job Microsoft" for not letting any major leaks to be release, now tomorrow this business will be finished, after all the fight to know "who" has the better hardware. After some meditation, I realize even if one or the other have better specs 4.9 TF lol, they don't have anything to do with me, give me the games I like the most RPG's. in other post, I said will purchase Killzone SF, but I will retract give me RPG's.

 

[Neander]

So it seems ambiguous as to whether the PS3 did overtake the 360, one point of note however, is that the 360 has had an extra year on market. I think we can claim without dispute that the Xbox 360 has been outpaced by the PS3.

Then there's also the matter of the Wii and DS, with powerful first party support it stands above the others. To claim first party support is unimportant cannot be considered anything but unreasonable.

If you compare market share from PS2/Xbox era to PS3/360 you can clearly see who won and who lost. I'm pretty sure PS3 selling "on par" with 360 is not much to brag about in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Conor 419]

I don't know that it really has anything to do with anything for tomorrow though. We know Microsoft is showing at least one first party franchise and they will be showing many more at E3 as well.

Wait do we? I've been going by the Edge article.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Gee whiz, NOW I know where this is going.

Yeah, nowhere and fast. They've been pretty much dead even all this generation. If you ask him if exclusives are so important then why didn't it overtake the 360 long ago we'll get into price points. Then we can talk about RRoD and Live fees. It never ends because at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. We've seen Sony piss away a huge momentum boost going from the PS2 and Microsoft gain traction from and otherwise non-dramatic entry with the Xbox.

All bets are off now. We've seen the Wii U have troubles. We've also see the Playstation Vita struggle. Nobody knows where the future lies with the PS4 and this new Xbox. There are no price points yet. We don't know how the market will truly react to these new systems until there are out there. The data has shown though how much time people spend outside of gaming on the current systems. It also shows how well those third party games sell.

The PS2's exclusive content dominated the Gamecube?

Which some would argue was largely made up of 3rd party sources.

 

[Takuya]

You wanna talk real leak, then just look at the Xbox360 Slim, for which an ad for it (spanish one I think?) leaked before the conference. Yes, the actual real 360 slim, so everyone knew exactly how it looked.

 

[Officerrob]

Wait do we? I've been going by the Edge article.

Forza/PGR5 will be shown

 

[Meelow]

We've been getting information about the next Xbox as well, people choose to dismiss them or believe them, but it's still information.

And it wasn't 'the' controller, it was 'a' controller. A dev prototype.

The rumors we've been getting about Xbox 720

- Blocked used games
- Always Online
- Striped controller

And a few others.

We don't know which one is legit or not.

And the controller was pretty much the same controller they showed us.

 

[Painraze]

Wait do we? I've been going by the Edge article.

This article:

According to Microsoft executive Aaron Greenberg stated on the Major Nelson podcast, the Xbox reveal will take place in two parts. The first, taking place tomorrow, will highlight the console itself. The second will happen at E3 and focus primarily on the games that will be coming to the new console.

As CVG transcribed, he said, “The best way I can describe it is, we’re really gong to tell one story across two events. So we’re going to start on the 21st [of May] and really that’s about revealing the next Xbox platform and our vision for the future of games, the future of entertainment.”

Greenberg promised a “behind the scenes” look into the development of the new console, but couldn’t guarantee any games to be shown. However, he added that the E3 presentation will involve “tons of exclusives.”

http://www.edge-online.com/news/the-xbox-reveal-will-take-place-in-two-parts-major-nelson-says/

Can you please copy/paste the part where it says no first party games will be shown tomorrow? We'll wait.

 

[Winterfang]

The PS2's exclusive content dominated the Gamecube?

The PS2's THIRD PARTY exclusive content dominated the Gamecube.