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Why is Microsoft jumping on the TV bandwagon when cable tv is on the way out?

Another thing I thought was strange today was that the new Xbox is going to have integration with TV but why would they position themselves with cable companies when millions of people are "cable cutting" because tv just isn't watched anymore in a world with netflix, hulu, and a nearly infinite amount of content on the internet. Are they signing up with the creators of old time radio dramas as well?

Isn't Apple and other tech leaders already working with companies like HBO and Disney to create an "a la carte" system where you can pick and choose shows, channels, and content to subscirbe too. How will Xbox One react to that? Will they redesign the system and drop the tv feature or what?
 
Man I love my dvr and live sports. Can I get love sports on Netflix or Hulu? In Canada Netflix and Hulu suck ass balls. There are no licenses to the big shows.
 
Microsoft is probably banking on creating a system that has all of the shows being streamed on the internet being funneled through Windows 8 and by extension the X1.
 
I thought it was strange as hell. Traditional tv is notably in decline (especially in their target demographic), so you design your next console around watching traditional tv on it?
 
By building the foundation now and having it work with your current box they'll have all the pieces in place once they finalize the deals with content providers. The source input might be cable now, but in a few years it might just pull most content directly from the internet.
 
I believe they're simply trying to foster the narrative that the X1 and your cable box fit really well together. Look, I want a la carte options, but I don't think it's going to be a realistic alternative for "casual" consumers for quite some time. A vast majority of US homes have cable boxes in them right now, so the narrative is still relevant for selling consoles right now.

Besides, it's not like it can't adapt and supply on-demand streaming content when that stuff does expand, it does already. It would basically render my Roku useless.
 
This is the exact reason why the BEST set top box for cord cutters is a ROKU. Google TV is trash because it's designed around cable content. Roku only does one type of content - streaming and they do tons of it.
 
This is the exact reason why the BEST set top box for cord cutters is a ROKU. Google TV is trash because it's designed around cable content. Roku only does one type of content - streaming and they do tons of it.

I would much rather use a device that plays games, Blu Ray movies, and streams content while at the same time coexists with my cable than continue to switch back and forth between my streaming-only Roku and my cable box.

Sure it costs more, but it does way more.
 
Cable TV is on the way out?

If anything the telecom companies are re-entrenching with things like HBO Go and Watch ESPN and Showtime Anytime being tied to having a video subscription.

I'm sure the idea of cable itself will eventually into evolve into more of an IPTV based model, but paying a subscription for bundled services doesn't seem like it's going anywhere anytime soon.
 
All of that Kinect interface shit can be implemented in Hulu and Netflix apps once Cable TV does totally die.

It isn't there yet, just like full digital isn't yet viable. They have to make money from the current market conditions, but have also future proofed it for the inevitable all-digital age.
 
Alive? Yeah. Alive and well I'm not so sure about. Cable's not that important anymore to the demographics Microsoft should be focused on.

I don't think you know what they're trying to achieve here. They're demographics aren't 16-35 year old males who want videogames anymore. This is about reaching every person in every possible home by offering everything they have now in one place. It'll still play games, and Microsoft will try and make a case for that at E3, but it is squarely focused on being an entertainment box, not a gaming box.
 
Because they aren't targeting you, they are targeting me. Guys with kids who are casuals and want to have something that has across the board use with the wife, kid, and dad. I want to play madden/halo/COD, boy wants minecraft/lego, wife wants spotify and I have to call my mother on Skype so my son can say good night. Most guys like me just pay our cable bill and don't think about it every month. This is the console aimed straight at the 40 year old's heart.
 
Until streaming services have live content, cable will continue to be streamed illegally online. Live content is migrating to the internet anyways, the Super Bowl was streamed online and there are a number of sports packages you can subscribe to online that are straight up better than their television counter parts.

Cable is dying a painful death.
 
Cable TV is on the way out?

If anything the telecom companies are re-entrenching with things like HBO Go and Watch ESPN and Showtime Anytime being tied to having a video subscription.

I'm sure the idea of cable itself will eventually into evolve into more of an IPTV based model, but paying a subscription for bundled services doesn't seem like it's going anywhere anytime soon.

I agree!
 
Until streaming services have live content, cable will continue to be streamed illegally online. Live content is migrating to the internet anyways, the Super Bowl was streamed online and there are a number of sports packages you can subscribe to online that are straight up better than their television counter parts.

Cable is dying a painful death.

Not really. If anything it is dementia and a very slow death.
 
I don't think you know what they're trying to achieve here. They're demographics aren't 16-35 year old males who want videogames anymore. This is about reaching every person in every possible home by offering everything they have now in one place. It'll still play games, and Microsoft will try and make a case for that at E3, but it is squarely focused on being an entertainment box, not a gaming box.

I know what they're trying to achieve, I just don't think it makes sense in 2013. If this had been announced in 2010 before the iPad? Awesome. It seems like Microsoft and Nintendo are trying to bring back a dead "the TV is the center of the house and everyone's going to crowd around it to do stuff together" attitude.

To the demographics outside of who I was talking about, they've got tablets.
 
Another thing I thought was strange today was that the new Xbox is going to have integration with TV but why would they position themselves with cable companies when millions of people are "cable cutting" because tv just isn't watched anymore in a world with netflix, hulu, and a nearly infinite amount of content on the internet.

In no way actually true.

Isn't Apple and other tech leaders already working with companies like HBO and Disney to create an "a la carte" system where you can pick and choose shows, channels, and content to subscirbe too.

Nope.
 
Man I love my dvr and live sports. Can I get love sports on Netflix or Hulu? In Canada Netflix and Hulu suck ass balls. There are no licenses to the big shows.

Aren't there apps for Sports? I know for the NCAA games I just downloaded a free APP and was able to watch the games in full HD live
 
Cable is declining but lots of people still purchase the services.


The only people I know who don't have cable or satellite are younger people who can't really afford it anyway.
 
Because they aren't targeting you, they are targeting me. Guys with kids who are casuals and want to have something that has across the board use with the wife, kid, and dad. I want to play madden/halo/COD, boy wants minecraft/lego, wife wants spotify and I have to call my mother on Skype so my son can say good night. Most guys like me just pay our cable bill and don't think about it every month. This is the console aimed straight at the 40 year old's heart.

You mean wallet and I agree.

It's aimed at people with more money than time, and at whole families not just young male gamers.
 
I know what they're trying to achieve, I just don't think it makes sense in 2013. If this had been announced in 2010 before the iPad? Awesome. It seems like Microsoft and Nintendo are trying to bring back this dead "the TV is the center of the house and everyone's going to crowd around it to do stuff together" thing.

To the demographics outside of what I was talking about, they've got tablets.

So you would rather Sony and MS to target the hard-core gamer, offer games only at $60 a pop with what appears to be diminishing returns as mobile and tablet games eats at their core. That would be incredibly short sighted.

Xbox/Sony: "We want to cater to our core demographic population or hard-core gamers that has shrunk significantly in the past three years. We have no desire to expand to the vast majority of other markets as they are not NeoGAF "style" gamers."
 
A few cable cutters here and there doesn't mean Cable TV is out. Cable TV is massive.

While yes it's massive - last I read I think a little over 100 million U.S. households have a pay tv subscription - the numbers have been dropping steadily year after year. Granted, throughout the life of this console's cycle a, say, five million drop in subscriptions by 2017 will be a drop in the bucket. It still doesn't change the fact that there are certain people that find traditional cable/satellite pointless given the advent of streaming and set-top boxes.
 
Until a la carte channels are a reality (not remotely close at the moment), it won't matter. When they are a reality, they'll be able to leverage using an app that will still benefit from their completely unnecessary multitasking solution.
 
I feel the same exact way outside the NFL and ESPN stuff it was a complete waste of time and man hours. No one watches live cable TV today and to make that a main feature of your game machine is just stupid. That and it only works in 1 Country. The only live TV I watch is sports and well I can use a tablet/laptop or phone and do same thing the Xbox one does.
 
Until streaming services have live content, cable will continue to be streamed illegally online. Live content is migrating to the internet anyways, the Super Bowl was streamed online and there are a number of sports packages you can subscribe to online that are straight up better than their television counter parts.

Cable is dying a painful death.

as someone who has investigated "cord-cutting" quite a bit, and is also a sports fan, there's one big problem with this. you really cant cord cut and get your dose of live sports.

it sucks but it's a hammer the cable cos unfortunately have.

if you're not a sports fan, then you're good. cut away.

I could get the NFL Sunday ticket and drop cable, I think it's like $360 a year. That's 30 a month, and you lose espn and every other channel in return in such a scenario. Might as well keep cable. and i'm not even sure what other sports options there are for NBA etc and how much they cost.



not even to mention the way it's set up, if you have cable internet too, and i'll wager most people do, there's not so much incentive to remove your cable, because then your "package savings" evaporate. I'll give you an example, my bill after taxes etc is like $128. That is broken down as something like $50 for high speed internet and $60 for cable tv on the bill (the other 18 the endless taxes and fees).

The way it's set up is if I remove my cable, then I lose my "bundled" discount, suddenly my internet alone doesn't cost $50 anymore it costs $75. Maybe my bill is $85 after taxes/fees.

So for "only" an extra 40ish bucks a month, sadly, I might as well just keep my cable TV. It's of course, set up that way on purpose, to extort you.

if there was stand alone internet competition, i could go elsewhere. the problem is it's pretty pitiful where i live. i think dsl maxes here at 6mb/s (vs 15 for my current cable connection). and i think there's actually no dsl available where i live despite it being a suburb! I think copper phone lines are basically seen as a dead thing and nobody puts any investment into them at all any more, nobody cares.

you MIGHT be able to try to get something over the 4G airwaves, but IF anything is available in that respect it'll be limited as hell at this time.

I'm hopeful in the future for more competition over the airwaves since clearly nobody is really laying down physical lines anymore (despite highly publicized crap like fios and google 1 gbit, that stuff is actually rare), but they'll probably find a way to screw us on that too. Just like how the Telco's screw us on our data plans now.

so, you are more or less fucked. corporatocracy.

we need ala carte systems..., i should only pay for the programming i want, and internet competition too to handle the other side of the equation.
 
If everything is wonderful in Cable land like some of you guys think then what's going on over here:

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=557660


Although cord-cutting isn’t new, it’s picking up steam, especially among younger demographics. A recent survey by Nielsen found 5 million “Zero TV” households, compared to 2 million in 2013, with nearly two thirds of the group under 45 years old. By rewarding cable subscribers, and punishing cord-cutters, ABC is hoping to prevent — or at least slow down — the collapse of the traditional pay TV business model.

Sure doesn't sound like Cable is invincible to me fellas
 
Another thing I thought was strange today was that the new Xbox is going to have integration with TV but why would they position themselves with cable companies when millions of people are "cable cutting" because tv just isn't watched anymore in a world with netflix, hulu, and a nearly infinite amount of content on the internet. Are they signing up with the creators of old time radio dramas as well?

Isn't Apple and other tech leaders already working with companies like HBO and Disney to create an "a la carte" system where you can pick and choose shows, channels, and content to subscirbe too. How will Xbox One react to that? Will they redesign the system and drop the tv feature or what?

you do realize that ms is also really invested in things like hulu an netflix right? and that they talked about their own ala cart shows and stuff like the halo tv series? just cause they want to be more conected to cable doesnt mean they are ignoring other ways to get content.
 
Because it is trying to be an all in one solution. They could of easily skipped on the blu ray too since all the data will be on the hard drive but they want you to watch blu rays, cable tv, Netflix, YouTube etc. on it. No reason not to include tv if it was already doing everything else.
 
It's a small number. Yes it will grow, but will it be relevant within the lifespan of this console? Probably not.

I understand i'm just saying that it seems dumb for a tech company that is supposedly "looking forward" to invest so much time and effort into something that will eventually decline and be replaced especially when they will be competing in a sense with their own made for xbox tv content. But like others mentioned they really wanted this to be a total all in one box so I guess it kinda makes sense but i'm glad Sony skipped it unlike MS and Nintendo.
 
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