Toronto Mayor Rob Ford in purported video smoking crack cocaine!(Gawker, also T.Star)
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WrenchNinja
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The Elite
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That is one majestic list.
There are a few that I don't even remember on that list.
When Ford's Follies are listed in their entirety, Crack Cocaine doesn't seem that far-fetched.
Yeah where is the video.
It seems like The Star was trying to obtain the video from the sellers in some way (man that video would get some hits for the paper) but they were forced to publish their story when the dude from Gawker spilled the beans. And he spilled the beans because he was trying to get some backing to obtain the video himself but the people he went to (like morons) went to the Mayor's office for official comment.
The sellers are probably spooked off at this point and on the run.
Yeah, it seems that CNN really F'd this one up. I'm hoping the journalists who went to see the video were more clever than they admitted though, and have kept some ties to evidence, be it the video itself or (more likely) the people involved.
Hell maybe this is advertising that the sellers will use to actually get the kind of money they want. That would be hella ballsy of them though.
The Elite
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The way I see it, since both The Star and Gawker seem to have contacts with the sellers of the video, even if they fork over the money, I'm sure the police will swoop in as soon as they have the chance. The question is whether or not the sellers realize this at this stage of the game and are getting out of the country, or are they so desperate for the cash that they might just do something really dumb.
The Star reporter says they are still in contact with the source:
But they aren't comfortable with paying for the video even if it's for the public's good
http://livenews.thestar.com/Event/Rob_Ford_crack_scandal_Live_chat_with_Kevin_Donovan
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Eh, there were plenty of polls showing that Miller would have won if he had run for re-election. There really wasn't that much dissatisfaction with him, Ford won because his name was well known and he was the complete opposite of the disliked Smitherman. If lefts leading candidate had less baggage, Ford would have lost.
Here's to hoping Chow runs
yeah, a friend of mine who lives in the Toronto suburbs was very happy when Ford got elected (I'm in Montreal and don't follow local Toronto politics so i didn't know who Ford was back then) and had been somewhat supportive of him even after he was booted out with that last scandal.
His opinion about Ford absolutely boil down to this. He didn't want to get taxed for stuff affecting the downtown core.
It's anecdotal for sure, but it's right in line with your post.
Oppo
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She's gonna run, I have very little doubt.
Mikey Jr.
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So yeah, according to gawker who were doing that "crackstarter", the chances of getting the video have "diminished".
Fucking liars. I honestly believe those reporters and gawker are a bunch of liars.
They went out, defaced Rob Fords name by saying they saw a video, have no shred of fucking evidence, then when their crowdsourcing thing gets close to reaching their goal, they come out with an update saying "Hey guys, I know where close, but yeah, we might not get the video. lol"
Go after his policies, things he has said, sure. But you cant say you saw a video of him smoking crack, provide no evidence, and completely disgrace him not only in Canada, but in America too.
I don't agree with it.
http://gawker.com/rob-ford-crackstarter-update-509596078
Fucking liars. I honestly believe those reporters and gawker are a bunch of liars.
They went out, defaced Rob Fords name by saying they saw a video, have no shred of fucking evidence, then when their crowdsourcing thing gets close to reaching their goal, they come out with an update saying "Hey guys, I know where close, but yeah, we might not get the video. lol"
Go after his policies, things he has said, sure. But you cant say you saw a video of him smoking crack, provide no evidence, and completely disgrace him not only in Canada, but in America too.
I don't agree with it.
http://gawker.com/rob-ford-crackstarter-update-509596078
I think there's something to this. If the video never sees the light of day, could they potentially be sued for libel?
Mikey Jr.
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I truly hope so. I would wait till they "attempt" to get the video. If they can't, then fuck em. Take them to court.
People cant be allowed to do this.
You Are Viewtiful
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With the way Ford and his staff have been acting, how can you possibly deny that all this actually took place? The video is only the final nail in the coffin.
Rob Ford does a good enough job defacing his own name. And you know what? If Rob Ford didn't do what they claimed, he would already be suing the fuck out of Gawker and The Star, and screaming from the high heavens that he's innocent, but he hasn't even denied it happened! He's too busy firing his Chief of Staff and getting sand in his vagina over getting dumped as a high school football coach.
Wake the fuck up, dude. You're embarrassing yourself.
Wake the fuck up, dude. You're embarrassing yourself.
Nope, both parties are pretty well protected since they did nothing wrong. and labelled their reporting appropriately.
And it's not some requirement for a news article to include hard evidence. Something that a journalist observed themselves can be reported as news.
lawd, a Rob Ford apologist. The way he's reacted alone confirms it.
The Interrobanger
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lo fucking l
I'm not a Ford supporter at all but I agree with what he said. Everything regarding this reeks of filth. Ford, journos, source. Pure filth.
Gawker has absolutely nothing to gain from a Rob Ford scandal, they were randomly approached and decided it would be a cool story - unless you think they, and the Toronto Star have somehow orchestrated this whole thing to lie about Rob Ford. But what would either party have to gain? Especially by giving false hope about the video coming forward?
But what's the alternative? Let's assume for one second that they in fact, did see the video - should they have kept completely closed mouthed about it, when they weren't actually willing to drop 6 figures on such a tape?
Mikey Jr.
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So he denies it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B0vrfj2Fps
Yet people are still hounding him, asking him constantly if its true. The fuck do you want from him? How can he prove he didn't to you? He can't. Its not possible.
So he has already been sentenced as a crack smoker without a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE.
I don't give a shit what some journos saw on some iphone. You want to accuse someone of smoking crack, show me the proof.
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equippedwithtowel
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Personally, I'd keep my mouth shut if I couldn't prove it. Fortunately for journalists they don't have any real responsibilities.
You Are Viewtiful
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No, he said it was ridiculous. He didn't deny anything.
Coming out and denying it, and suing Gawker and The Star, or at least threatening to, would be a good start. Not saying things like "how can you tell it was crack inside that pipe" or "what if the video is doctored?". That's the worst form of damage control.
He also has not explained why he fired his Chief of Staff.
Well there are other questions that people have been asking - mostly in an attempt to clarify certain statements made.
Well, some would argue that it's a journalist's responsibility to present this info to the public, even if they don't have all the evidence.
AlphaTwo00
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Pretty much this. If it's not true, he should have come out charging and sue them all for character defamation. By just claiming it as "ridiculous", it paints a much more greyer picture where he clearly has some dirt that doesn't want to be dug up.
That's not good enough. Here's what's going through peoples heads.
If the mayor truly did not smoke any crack, and these stories were all lies, he would want the Toronto Star destroyed. He would be suing the Toronto Star and Gawker for everything they have. He would stop at any moment possible and say "I have never smoked crack, this video does not exist, it's all a lie".
Instead, he's just said once that "it's ridiculous" and then kept quiet about it.
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oh man lmao! If ever a super pac needed to be created to gather money for the purpose of ruining a politicians career. $100,000 to get this tape on the internet would be that cause
spiderman123
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Those hard working "Orientals" Photoshopped him as payback
Everyone else already beat me to the punch. But yes, it looks terrible on him for not getting out in front of this last week and confronting it head on if the allegations were false. Even if he was smoking hash, as someone suggested he 'could be', he might as well come out and admit it. Instead, he opts to duck out the back door of City Hall every day this week and avoid the press at all cost. And then he fires his CoS, for reasons that befuddle his few close allies that remain (like Doug Holyday).
Even before the crack video, there were rumblings about his drinking problem. Numerous parties where he would be hammered, and even getting thrown out of one.
Substance abuse issues aside; The guy has already shown an ineptitude for city planning and development, couldn't work with anyone, and had his council turn against him. So all he's doing as Mayor at this point is being the embarrassing face of the city to the rest of Canada and the world.
Even before the crack video, there were rumblings about his drinking problem. Numerous parties where he would be hammered, and even getting thrown out of one.
Substance abuse issues aside; The guy has already shown an ineptitude for city planning and development, couldn't work with anyone, and had his council turn against him. So all he's doing as Mayor at this point is being the embarrassing face of the city to the rest of Canada and the world.
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IISANDERII
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I'm on Jarvis nearly every day by car and I like it. Bikers/Vespers aren't in my way, neither are parked cars and other drivers aren't trying to overtake recklessly anymore.
BigJonsson
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Cbc reports that the chief of staff was canned for telling ford to go to rehab..... Wow
Link to the article for those interested.
The guy needs help. If he were to follow his own advice, he'd "dry out in jail".
It would be easier to feel sorry for him if he wasn't a bully with his politics and didn't make racist, homophobic, or otherwise offensive remarks every month, or two. :/
bonesmccoy
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This is nothing short of amazing. I can't remember the last time we Canadians had this kind of live-action political train-wreck occurring before our eyes.
somuchwater
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We're done here.
But where's the hard evidence of this "conversation"? Surely this can't be news if it doesn't out the source and have video evidence of this meeting, caaaan it?
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