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I agree with this. Who decided to move it here? I volunteer myself to bring up the concern to a mod.

All sorts of general threads - post new pics of yourself, pics that make you laugh - anything with a persistent following - were moved to community. And if you look, no one is happy about it. People can ask about the thread going back, but I don't see it happening.

It does suck - I won't deny that we ARE a community, which is great, but we were also pulling in all sorts of new people with the new thread. Hopefully people will still find us. And when people post in OT about mental health stuff, which my happen more now that this thread isn't more visible, we can steer people here for more help.

We'll see how it goes. I don't plan on posting any less, or any differently, really, now that we've been moved. *shrug*
 
I didn't even realize it had been moved at first because I just go to it through my subscriptions. I did notice some posting slow down recently though. Ah well, it's our job to make the most of it!
 
I didn't even realize it had been moved at first because I just go to it through my subscriptions. I did notice some posting slow down recently though. Ah well, it's our job to make the most of it!

EXACTLY. We can do even more doom and gloom, or we can count on our strong community to keep helping people, making cool stuff, etc.
 
I definitely agree. And this thread is probably one of the very few threads where we WANT a very high turnover rate (as we try to help people), so we're not really a "self-sustaining" community, we're an ever-changing place for people to come in, get help, and then either leave feeling better or stay to help others. I definitely agree that this thread needs the exposure of OT, we're not mainly here to discuss Mental Health in itself as a sub-community.
So much this. Sadly, I don't think anything can be done about it.

EXACTLY. We can do even more doom and gloom, or we can count on our strong community to keep helping people, making cool stuff, etc.
Bags, we're on the mental health thread. Of course we're going to choose doom and gloom xD

At least I am!
 
Uh, hey everyone. I haven't posted on GAF for years probably, just been lurking. Took me some tries to even remember my password. This has always seemed like a very nice community and lately I've been wondering if I have depression and what should I do about it. Maybe just writing this shit out could help, at the moment I feel freaking terrible... I thought I would give a summary of my past few years.

Okay, so, I'm currently 21 years old still living at home and working at a fast food place. A couple years ago everything was going pretty swell... I was graduating with top grades, but honestly even back then I was somewhat of a downer. I didn't really know what I wanted to pursue after graduating. I always wanted to do art, but when it came to applying to art schools a couple years back I pussied out(didn't feel like I was good enough) and went with physics instead. I was automatically accepted because of my grades. Studying physics seemed alright for a time, but I began having issues with concentrating. For the first time in my life, I had serious issues staying awake during lectures. Despite being good at math and physics, I suppose I was never that interested in them and started to fall behind on my studies. I felt guilty for not applying to and art school, and ultimately dropped out.

Around the same time, there was a girl who I believe was interested in me. Now I feel embarassed typing this out but whatever, I'm a virgin who's never had a single relationship. For some reason though, whenever I met her with friends, I couldn't really force any emotion out of myself for her. This was really strange, because honestly on paper we seemed like a perfect match. Because of this, I sat on my ass doing nothing to approach her while she found another boyfriend. They moved in together to another city. I know I said I didn't have feelings for this girl, but this event has fucking killed me inside during the past year. Just intense self-loathing for not doing anything, constantly thinking "what if", you know?

So I applied to an art school, and didn't get in. That was fine though(lead to more self-loathing for not working hard enough, trying hard enough but yeah), because I had to do my military service then anyways. Looking back at it, the military was quite enjoyable even though I didn't do very good. I'm socially awkward and very quiet(more on this later) and lightweight, so not exactly G.I. Joe material. It took my mind off things though, and I clearly noticed being more depressed during weekends when I could go home. When I noticed this, I started to dread my service ending.

Well it ended anyway, and I began to apply for schools again. I was accepted to the entrance exams for all schools I applied for, so that's good. I had one exam last week, another one coming up on wednesday. During this time, I've been very lonely. I have a couple of close friends, but two are still doing their military service. In other words, I've been barely talking to anyone for a long time now. I've always been quiet, but I fear it's only been getting worse. I managed to get a job at a burger joint, but I rarely talk to any of my coworkers. They see me as an oddball and treat me like a child, and I don't blame them. I am very odd, and I constantly feel like I can't relate to anyone. I feel like a child compared to others. I don't talk much to my parents, either. It can get as bad as only a couple words a day. I can put up a happy face and socialize when I make a conscious attempt to do so, but it never comes naturally to me. In groups, I've always felt like the odd one out.

I've also noticed that I'm not very interested in anything. I don't get passionate or excited. I used to be very much into debating religion(in a friendly manner, I hope :)), but I haven't been interested in doing that for a long time. When someone asks me what I thought of something, I always reply "just okay" or something like that. I'm obviously into videogames, but lately that's been dying down as well. I loved the new Metal gear game, couldn't get into Bioshock. Cloud Atlas was awesome, but I only went to see it because a friend wanted to go see it. I haven't been interested in new movies in a while. But honestly, this lack of interest has always been with me. I just feel like it's maybe worse than ever now.

I started jogging and doing push-ups earlier this year, but stopped. I have poor appetite and have lost weight. I used to like riding my bike, I've gone cycling once this spring. I often feel sad and anxious. I feel like I never get enough sleep, but this is probably my sleep schedule is non-existent. I sometimes get these moments of clarity when I think "Holy shit, this is all really happening and I can't stop or go back".

But I feel alright sometimes, too. I don't have it nearly as bad as others. I have a roof over my head, a supportive and loving mom and dad. Friends I could talk to about this stuff if I had the balls to do so. I can get up in the morning and go to work. If everything goes well at work, I'll feel just fine. I still feel proud if I manage to draw/paint something I think is cool. But still, I've been getting this intense waves of sadness recently and been thinking this probably isn't normal anymore. I'm not suicidal.

So there it is, I guess. I would be interested in hearing if you guys think I have depression and if meds or such could help.
Your situation sounds a lot like what I've been through particularly school stuff. I think it would be a good idea to start therapy. It (almost) never hurts. From there they can tell you if seeing a psychaitrist would be necessary. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk. :)

As for the thread being moved to community, I think there might be more traffic on the subforum than before because of the huge amount of threads that were moved here.
 
A small update on my situation since my last post.

There were a few unexpected twists in the past few weeks that kept me from posting here.
Without entering in details, I would say they were mostly good changes, at the very least I felt much better since they happened, though the end result of what's to come has the potential to end either very well or very badly for me, without much chance of anything in between.

Right now I'm at a waiting stage for what's to come next, and since my life could go to in two different extremes depending on what's to come, all I can do is try to prepare myself for the bad outcome while hoping for the best.
This has left me somewhat anxious and with some ups and downs as off late, though right now I am still considerably better than I was when I last posted about this subject.

In the meantime, and in some actual good news, I have been trying to rebuild my regular life as of late.
I went back to my therapists, unfortunately it was only a single appointment a couple weeks ago(my parents canceled last week appointment without consulting me), but I should be going for another one this week.

I haven't started walking or exercising yet as I had wanted (due to the mentioned unexpected changes, my focus ended up elsewhere and my schedualed remained erratic), but I did take an afternoon last week to get on the train and go to the city and walk around a few half dozen stores looking for FE:A (no luck) as well as visit my grandmother and uncle.
I'm hoping to take a day to spend with my other grandmother during this week, perhaps go to a museum or watch a movie with her.

I also contacted one of the friends with who I had issues last year (which really was the point when things started going downhill for me), to apologize for what happened, he took it well and also apologized for what happened. Thankfully we managed to solve things out and have been talking again since, we even started discussing a few ideas that we have to work together on a project again.
I'm hoping it's a sign of the end of a negative cicle of my life, but even if it's not, it's at least a clear path that re-opened for me to go after and to try and acheive one of the things I've wanted.

There's still a lot of uncertainty about where I'll be going next, and some aspects of it have the potential to end up very badly for me, but at least not everything feels completely lost any longer.

My dad has also been pretty insistent about the idea of "curing" my issues and wants to go talk with my therapists about that (part of the reason he canceled my last week appointment was because he couldn't go talk to her), and also had a few aggravating moments in the last few weeks were he made some annoying remarks about compulsions I was doing (such as telling me to stop doing them).
Might not be a bad idea for him to sit down with me and my therapists for us to discuss the issues, though right now is not really a good moment for me to do so, considering everything else going on in my life (that might be what lead him to start acting like this actually, since I'm pretty sure that he noticed something is off about me, but he probably thinks it's related with my general issues) that I need to address first.

And yes, I also agree with the sentiment that this thread would be more appropriate on the OT than comunity, while I don't think it can be denied that there's a community of regulars in this thread, this is (as Woorloog and Smiley90 put it very well) foremost a place for people to get help and to help each others.
It's also a thread that benefits from visibility since it's not an easy subject for someone to create a thread to discuss their issues (which, due to the nature of issues, can easily lead to very few helpful posts and a harmful thread), so being able to find this thread is extremely helpeful.

But yeah, seems unlikely any thread will get moved back, hopefully people will start visiting community more and be able to find out about this thread when they need help.
 
Word of advice for everyone: never put your emotions at stake for the wellbeing of a person who has dealt you great harm. My ex I was with for two years did something incredibly cruel to me and I let it happen by making myself emotionally vulnerable... Just to be there for her. I got fucked over for being a nice person.

Love sucks. Fucking sucks. This is making my recovery very difficult.
 
Word of advice for everyone: never put your emotions at stake for the wellbeing of a person who has dealt you great harm. My ex I was with for two years did something incredibly cruel to me and I let it happen by making myself emotionally vulnerable... Just to be there for her. I got fucked over for being a nice person.

Love sucks. Fucking sucks. This is making my recovery very difficult.

Sorry, man. Hang in there. If you need to vent to anyone, I'm bored as dick.
 
Word of advice for everyone: never put your emotions at stake for the wellbeing of a person who has dealt you great harm. My ex I was with for two years did something incredibly cruel to me and I let it happen by making myself emotionally vulnerable... Just to be there for her. I got fucked over for being a nice person.

Love sucks. Fucking sucks. This is making my recovery very difficult.
Why am I noy surprised? Fuck those kind of people, fuck them.

I hope you can hold on dude, gotta be strong now.
 
Hi everyone. I...don't really know how to start. lol I've just been in an awful mood of late, and I really need to get everything out. So I'm just going to type whatever comes to mind and pray it all turns out coherent in the end.

I tend to jump between happiness and sadness at random intervals, with sadness being the dominant emotion at the moment. I suppose the current iteration of this never-ending struggle began about six months ago when I graduated college. It was, probably, the happiest day of my life thus far. One of the few males in my family to graduate a four year university, and I had done it all on my own. Under my own power. For the time leading up to graduate and the two weeks after (before the New Year) I was on Cloud 9. It was great.

Then reality set in. Here I was, 24 years old, living at home with no job. I had a degree, but over the last year, I came to the conclusion that I had no desire to work in the field I had gone to school for (video game design). And looking over my skill set, I had no idea what the hell else I could - can - do. I feel into a heavy bout of depression for about three weeks. I didn't know what to do and I didn't know who I could talk to.

Then, one day, I hatched an idea; I wouldn't talk to anyone! In fact, instead of feeling sorry for myself, I would use my newfound free time to finally start doing things for myself. I deactivated all my social networks - twitter and facebook mainly; if I have memberships anywhere else, I've forgotten them - and I sat down and wrote a personal manifesto with a list of goals I would accomplish before next spring when I would apply for grad school. This totally went against everything people had told me about how you need to talk to someone when you're depressed, but a lifetime of living based on what others told me was best for me had me wanting to try something else.

And you know what? For a while, it worked! Being cut off from everyone digitally freed my mind up, I guess. I was reading more and writing more and I was happy and full of energy. I was only on Gaf still, but I didn't even browse Gaf as much anymore. It was great. From ~Jan 17 to the end of Feb, I was really happy.

But then, my birthday rolled around (March 5) and I decided to reactive to better plan my birthday dinner. I figured, "Why not? I'm focused now. It's not like having a facebook was the problem." And again, for a while it was great.

But over time, something changed. I started writing less. I stopped reading. I pretty much spend all my time on Gaf, FB, and Twitter now. And yes, porn, much as I hate admitting it.

So what happened? Do I think being on social networks is the problem? Not really. Rather, I think it's a symptom of a larger problem with me.

Like I said, I've lived my entire life by what people thought of me. I once heard someone say that if you heat something about yourself enough times, you start to believe it. Well, that's my life story. Sure, I've got the same story lots of folks have about being picked on as a kid, but it didn't just stop with kids at school making fun of me for getting good grades or my clothes being cheap. My family wasn't always the most supportive and willing to listen. I've always been very thoughtful and self-aware, so most of my extended family had no idea how to interact with me. And my immediate family? I often thought they were ashamed of me. I would fight with my older sister all the time. My dad was gone a lot and struggled with relating to me. My mom knew I had depression, but she was not always aware of how the things she said and did contributed to it. So I spent most of my life, up until I was about 18 feeling like an outcast at school, and feeling like my family was ashamed of me. I had some friends here and there, but nothing I felt was truly substantial.

Then my dad died. We knew it was coming; he had been diagnosed with cancer a year or so before. He came to live with us for the last year. I remember being so angry with him. He would sit there, day after day, just miserable and angry with everyone. I tried to fight him once because I was just so pissed at him. Pissed at everything. How could he? How could he just give up? Weren't we worth fighting for? Wasn't I?

The last time I saw him alive was on Father's Day 2007, two months after I graduated High School. He was so small...I remember hugging and breaking down into tears. I tried to encourage him to keep living. He wasn't always around. He was selfish and chose drugs over making a better life for himself and his kids. But he was my father, damn it! I wanted him to get better. Wanted him there to see me, his only son, graduate from college...get married...have some kids. I'll never get that chance now, and I'll regret all the time I spent being angry at my father over loving him everyday for the rest of my life.

But in his death, I learned something. I thought about everything I knew about my father, and realized I was like him in a lot of ways. I thought to myself, "Is that my fate? Will I end up dying angry at the world? Full of regret and hating myself?"

I decided then to truly work toward changing my life. I went to counseling; I joined clubs at college (become an officer in a few); I got an on campus job that forced me to interact with people. It was hard, but whenever I got down on myself, I'd just say, "It's not just for me. It's for my dad too. I'm going to find the happiness he never could. I'm going to make him proud of me. I'm going to live."

And I made a lot of progress. I made the first real friends I've ever had. I learned things. I began to socialize more. I even went on a few dates. College was a great experience and even while staring down thousands of dollars in debt, I wouldn't change it for the world.

However, the same insecurities I've shouldered all my life are still there. I still completely hate the way I look: everything from my skin color (yes, I was the dark skin black kid who scrubbed their face and skin super hard, praying I would get lighter somehow...I still do this sometimes), to my weight, to the shape of my eyes and face. I can't stand my voice. I still don't feel comfortable talking about things that interest me - the result of a life spent being ostracized for liking anime and video games instead of sports or whatever. I still struggle in social situations. I worry I'll die alone because I know nothing about how to date.

But there's new insecurities too. I worry I'm not interesting enough, my justification being that no one ever calls or texts me. My friends are all busy, enjoying their lives and if I don't contact them, I don't hear from them. I'll admit it pisses me off, feeling like everyone's "sometimes friend." The perpetual plan-B. And yet, on top of this loneliness, I feel trapped by relationships. I feel like everyone has placed me in this box. "Oh ReiGun. He's the dopey comic book guy. He's a kid, basically (even though he's our age). We hang out with him, but only because he's bubbly and cute. We don't talk to him outside of that. We don't take anything he says or does seriously, unless he's clearly upset and sad. Then we pay attention. We don't really care about his hopes or dreams or opinions. He's just around to make jokes and be our cute, kid friend." Or with my family, it's "Oh ReiGun. Yeah, he just sits in his room all day. He doesn't want to be around us. We keep hoping he'll work hard and change to fit in better with us, but he doesn't. We don't care much about the stuff he likes or is interested in, though." I recognize that the boxes are made partially from my own perceptions of myself, I feel trapped in them regardless.

I worry about my abilities. I decided that I wanted to be a writer. I want to write comic books, so to better familiarize myself with the medium, I started a blog where I just reviewed comics. During that time where I was cut off, it was a lot of fun. I was just writing about something I loved, and sure my blog didn't get any hits, but whatever. I was having a blast. I started to write my own fiction again because I thought, "Why not me? What have Grant Morrison or Rick Remender got that I don't got...besides paying job and fans?" And again, I had a blast. I hadn't written regularly since I was in highschool, and it felt great.

But then, the insecurity set in. "Working in an artistic field is fucking hard! There's no way you're going to make it...Remember when you used to draw and wanted to be an artist along with a writer? Well, you never practiced and now look at you. You can only barely draw, and most of your writing practice comes from school essays!...You're 24 years old! Your free practice time is up. You can try, but you'll never be as good as all these men and women you look up to who practiced their craft for years. You screwed up. You wasted time feeling sorry for yourself, and now you'll have to give up on your dreams...You're a loser just like your father, and everyone sees it. That's why you're always alone. No one wants to be seen with a thing like you."

That's how I feel everyday now. I have no energy. Not to write. Not to draw. Not to read, work out, look for work, or play games. I don't even take much joy in reading comics anymore. Updating my blog stopped being fun because I started worrying too much about the quality of my writing, and I just wasn't enjoying the books as much anymore. I just sit around, refreshing Gaf, occasionally taking a break to watch da tiddies or eat. I went out for a friend's birthday the other night, but I spent the whole night shut off, not talking to anyone. I just sat on my phone, reading comics. I was visibly upset - an earlier argument with my step-father had opened the floodgates of my depression, as is prone to happening - and I didn't even want to be there. Especially since I felt that once the night was over, everyone would leave and it would likely be a long time before anyone wanted to talk to me again.

So that's where I am. This turned out a ways longer than I originally envisioned. lol There's more I could say, but I think that's a good summary of things. I wish I could tell you what I'm looking for here, but I don't really know. Just wanted to share, I guess.

Anyway, if you've made it this far, thanks for reading. You're great, and for what it's worth, I hope you overcome whatever issue brought you to this thread. Thanks again,

-ReiGun
 
FREEDOM

Felt like the weight of the world was on my shoulders
... should I break or retreat and then return
Facing the fear that the truth, I discover
No telling how, all these will work out
But I’ve come to far to go back now.


Chorus:
I am looking for freedom, looking for freedom
And to find it cost me everything I have
Well I am looking for freedom, looking for freedom
And to find it, may take everything I have

I know all too well it don’t come easy
The chains of the world they seem to movin tight
I try to walk around if I’m stumbling so come...
Tryin to get up but the doubt is so strong
There’s gotta be a winning in my bones


Chorus:
I’m looking for freedom, looking for freedom
And to find it, cost me everything I have
Well I’m looking for freedom, I’m looking for freedom
And to find it, may take everything I have

Oh not giving up there’s always been hard, so hard
But if I do things the easy the way I won’t get far.

Mhm, life hasn’t been very kind to me lately, (well)
But I suppose it’s a push from moving on (oh yeah)
In time the sun’s gonna shine on me nicely (on me yeah )
Sudden tells me ’cause things are coming
And I ain’t gonna not believe


Chorus:
I’m looking for freedom, looking for freedom
And to find it, cost me everything I have
Well I’m looking for freedom, I’m looking for freedom
And to find it, may take everything I have

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bdOTUocn5w
 
Nice song and lyrics neo! Or well nice.. Yeah I guess you could call it that. You know what I mean?

ReiGun, I read your story. I'm not sure if it's my place to give you any advice, but I saw that you went to counseling before. Was it a good experience? Maybe you could try something like that again? You are very insecure, maybe it would be nice to figure out where that's coming from (in depth) and also how you can deal with it?
I know the feeling of not being good enough to do what you love. For now I just see it as a hobby and try to get better at things, and at managing myself. Don't stop doing what you love, or at least, don't give up on it forever! Taking breaks is never wrong though.
Maybe it would also be nice to hang out with friends in a more private setting than a birthday? If I feel bad, birthdays are the last place I want to be. But just going on a walk with a good friend to talk about whatever, go eat ice-cream or do something else simple, it makes you feel less like you're not worth spending time with. Because I'm sure that you are worth spending time with!
 
I often wonder what kind of gay person would I be, if i had a hot body and good looks. Would I sleep around? Would I do porn? Like a guy I know on facebook, he is so attractive and sexy but isn't in a relationship but he does sleep around he says. He's been to almost every Caribbean island and got f-ed by a lot of those island guys. He has the looks and body. He often likes to jog shirtless wearing skimpy shorts and running shoes. I envy him.

I often before bed think about these things. What if this and that. Would I have a huge ego and be full of my self because of my looks? Would I look down on others who were not attractive and/or fat? I know some people will say i have a unique perspective being this large, but a large gut, thighs and man tits isn't very attractive. I very much doubt anyone wants to see a shirtless pic of me.

Must be awesome to be him. He doesn't have to rethink the clothes he wants to wear to hide his fat. There are a pair of naked and famous jeans I am looking at online that would look awesome on him but will never fit me. Why do I bother looking at clothes. I'm going to look like one of those fat girls that try to wear skimpy tight clothes.
 
LOGGING on to the computer may be the first step in overcoming depression, claims new research. A small study of seven participants who had previous experience of depression found that using an interactive computer program offered effective cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) without referrals or long waiting lists.

Story is actually referring to "Blues Begone", which takes the cbt therapy angle. Anyone tried it? Bit too expensive for my taste at £100.
 
I often wonder what kind of gay person would I be, if i had a hot body and good looks. Would I sleep around? Would I do porn? Like a guy I know on facebook, he is so attractive and sexy but isn't in a relationship but he does sleep around he says. He's been to almost every Caribbean island and got f-ed by a lot of those island guys. He has the looks and body. He often likes to jog shirtless wearing skimpy shorts and running shoes. I envy him.

I often before bed think about these things. What if this and that. Would I have a huge ego and be full of my self because of my looks? Would I look down on others who were not attractive and/or fat? I know some people will say i have a unique perspective being this large, but a large gut, thighs and man tits isn't very attractive. I very much doubt anyone wants to see a shirtless pic of me.

Must be awesome to be him. He doesn't have to rethink the clothes he wants to wear to hide his fat. There are a pair of naked and famous jeans I am looking at online that would look awesome on him but will never fit me. Why do I bother looking at clothes. I'm going to look like one of those fat girls that try to wear skimpy tight clothes.

Weight isn't everything man. I'm young, thin, attractive, and yet still have a miserable life. I just am not a really sociable guy the way that most normal people are.

Also, I noticed you edited out the part about cutting yourself. Feeling pain isn't good man. I'm in immense pain now due to a situation I put myself in, allowing myself to get close to someone and falling in love. It's better to just be depressed and not be in constant pain than to cut yourself to feel better. Don't waste your life dude, you can always lose the weight, just start walking.
 
So I'm still here... Didn't get to go through with finishing myself (haven't decided if this is a good thing or a bad thing) since the cops wound up at my door that night after a friend (I guess) called them. Spent two days in a psych ward that did nothing to help my condition, and then I was released, feeling just as terrible as I did when I went in. Fell pretty behind in school and bombed two chemistry tests that should have been easy; got rejected from my first choice for university, and drifted ever further apart with people. Since being released I've suffered from anxiety attacks every day and my mood's remained low. Any ideas on getting rid of the anxiety? It's affecting me worse than the constant low mood, I guess. Going to see my psychiatrist tomorrow and hopefully getting off Wellbutrin. It hasn't done shit aside from causing the increased anxiety and insomnia.
 
So I'm still here... Didn't get to go through with finishing myself (haven't decided if this is a good thing or a bad thing) since the cops wound up at my door that night after a friend (I guess) called them. Spent two days in a psych ward that did nothing to help my condition, and then I was released, feeling just as terrible as I did when I went in. Fell pretty behind in school and bombed two chemistry tests that should have been easy; got rejected from my first choice for university, and drifted ever further apart with people. Since being released I've suffered from anxiety attacks every day and my mood's remained low. Any ideas on getting rid of the anxiety? It's affecting me worse than the constant low mood, I guess. Going to see my psychiatrist tomorrow and hopefully getting off Wellbutrin. It hasn't done shit aside from causing the increased anxiety and insomnia.

Sorry to hear things got so rough there. For me, my major issue is usually my anxiety, panic attacks, and bottling them up until I explode or implode. I've been taking the lowest "effective" dose of effexor and it's helped immensely with things that would usually send my mind into a spiralling, abysmal panic. It helps keep my mood from slowly creeping into a low I can't shake either. It's helped me a lot, and I have had several other people I know in real life recommend it to me.

Mind you, I also get up at almost the same time everyday, have a very healthy diet (usually) and exercise everyday. I didn't get to this point all at once. I just slowly changed one thing for the better at a time and am still working my way up.

Also, can you get medical paperwork or a doctor's note for your time in the hospital? A lot of schools, when you have medical reasoning, have to allow you to challenge big tests after you've had some time to recover.

You might not believe me, but the pain and problems you are going through right now are temporary. It doesn't feel like it, it doesn't seem like it, but it is. Getting out for the crappy negative thought cloud takes time.
 
Kevin, please be strong man. You don't have to do this, you really don't. I'm sure most people here is willing to help you however they can, please don't leave us early...

:(
 
I've been really trying to break out of whatever shell I've built over the years, and stay out of it. I feel like I've had to do a lot of things outside my comfort zone and take a few steps in directions I haven't been willing to take / been afraid to take. Where I'm at today, I don't actually feel emotionally any better, in fact a bit worse, but I feel like I've emotionally learned a lot and have a few takeaways.

This is like the 3rd or 4th time in my life where I've forced myself out of a years-long cycle only to quickly be defeated by anxiety and relationship failures, but this time I've been able to see a therapist as I throw shit at the fan and have been able to rationalize my surroundings at least a bit better to realize that things aren't as big as they seem.

So I'm on the other side of some of my mental roadblocks, and it feels pretty shitty on this side, but right now feeling shitty feels better than feeling nothing.
 
Feel like I really just need to tell this to someone, even if it is just a bunch of random strangers on the internet.

I just feel sad sometimes. It can be about little things like hearing really sad stuff on the news. It could be about really stupid stuff like today my sister came over and brought a little bit of food for our Memorial Day gathering and that after she left I drank the last of a 2 liter bottle of Dr. Pepper she brought and ate the rest of the taco dip she brought. I was hungry after watching the hockey game that was on so I ate it and drank the Dr. Pepper. Afterwards I just felt guilty. It is so stupid to get worked up about something like that but I've been just a wreck for a little while now.

Sometimes feeling sad means feeling guilty or just helpless in my life. I don't have a job and I think money and not having it plays a huge part in how I feel. I absolutely hate when people buy me things. I almost have to convince myself weekly that my parents paying for part of my college isn't the worst thing anyone has ever done. It almost becomes like how much can I possibly live with in terms of people paying for things for me. I've never once asked a friend to pick up a tab going out to eat or anything but often times he does and I feel really guilty. I feel like even one time it happens that I'm taking advantage of him, even though in the past I've also paid for him for things.

I'm fairly certain that there are aspects of my body that aren't quite right and it definitely plays a part in how I feel sometimes. I look really young and my voice is laughably high pitched and squeaky. There are other physical things that I don't really want to get into but I know for 27 years old they aren't natural. I am not at all physically like other people my age. I know that and my outlook on life has mostly been to just roll with whatever happens. But lately it's just been bugging me and it makes the whole feeling sad part really terrible because I feel like I can't control this. It's just sort of something I'm born with I guess.

I've never really told anyone how I feel. Most people who would meet me would think that I'm perfectly normal other than the physical things that are definitely not. I have what I'd consider a pretty normal social life. If I told my friends some of the scary thoughts I've had I think that most of them would be pretty surprised because of how well I can just seem happy and ok like nothing is the matter. I've thought about suicide before and in the back of my mind sometimes it is like that parachute to just get out if things get too bad. I suspect that I would never have the courage to go through with something like that because I'd never want to hurt my parents or friends like that.

I knew I had a problem when I was actually thinking about a suicide note and would I write one and what would I say to make my loved ones feel better about anything eventually happening to me. It was one of those moments of clarity where you realize what you are thinking and try to figure out how exactly it got to that point.

I guess I'm writing this because I'm just completely worn down from feeling like this. I'm too afraid to tell my parents anything is really wrong. I don't think they suspect that physically anything is wrong with me because I've never told them. And mentally I guess my mom knows that I get down from time to time but I think she'd be horrified to learn the extent of it. Some days I feel like I just can't keep it up because it's a constant struggle between being this friendly and quick witted person everyone knows me as and the often times emotional wreck that I am underneath. Many days it does feel like an absolute grind and there are many times I wish I had even just one person to be able to talk to.

Sorry that this is really long and I know most people probably won't read through it all but if even one person does then I guess my goal was accomplished. Also want to make it very clear that I'm not a danger to myself and that I do not (ab)use drugs or alcohol.
 
Glad Kevin is okay. I was seriously worried about him last night.

Nice song and lyrics neo! Or well nice.. Yeah I guess you could call it that. You know what I mean?

ReiGun, I read your story. I'm not sure if it's my place to give you any advice, but I saw that you went to counseling before. Was it a good experience? Maybe you could try something like that again? You are very insecure, maybe it would be nice to figure out where that's coming from (in depth) and also how you can deal with it?
I know the feeling of not being good enough to do what you love. For now I just see it as a hobby and try to get better at things, and at managing myself. Don't stop doing what you love, or at least, don't give up on it forever! Taking breaks is never wrong though.
Maybe it would also be nice to hang out with friends in a more private setting than a birthday? If I feel bad, birthdays are the last place I want to be. But just going on a walk with a good friend to talk about whatever, go eat ice-cream or do something else simple, it makes you feel less like you're not worth spending time with. Because I'm sure that you are worth spending time with!
Thanks.

I've think I've got a good handle on where it comes from. I've been conditioned to judge myself very harshly, always thinking there is something "broken" about me. Something I can't fix or correct no matter how hard I try. I view all my failures as the end of everything, and all my shortcomings as unstoppable road blocks. The problem now is how do I overcome years of programming and conditioning? When all you've known is hating yourself, how do you suddenly switch to love?

I've found temporary measures. Every now and then, I find happiness in working out or drawing or what have you. But like I told my sister last night, it all eventually feels meaningless because no one else seems to care or be interested in at least encouraging me.

On writing and drawing, I guess I settled on wanting to do them because they're the only interests I pursued because they made *me* happy. Made me feel like I could do something. But wanting to do it professionally? Seems impossible. I read around online about all these artists who have been practicing their art or writing for years. Honing the craft, you know? Then apparently, all of them have this nebulous "natural talent" that I don't seem to possess. Just this morning, I was reading this artist I really respect go on this rant about how you need the "spark" to be a pro, and anyone who doesn't have that should just be doing it for fun. It was really discouraging, ya know.

I must admit, I didn't flat out disagree. But still, this has been my dream since I was a kid. I love to create things. I just feel like I'm out of time. And if I can't write, what the hell can I do? I guess that's the question: what the hell am I good for?

On socializing, my sister offered to start spending more time with me. We're supposed to go see Star Trek this week. I'm going to try and reach out to my friends more. Hopefully, they don't hate me.
 
I'm glad a thread like this exists, while I don't post much, it helps me seeing other people getting helped.
Just so heartbroken and hurt right now, on top of all the other problems. However I've had good things happen in the past, and I just have to look forward to them happening again.
 
I'm glad a thread like this exists, while I don't post much, it helps me seeing other people getting helped.
Just so heartbroken and hurt right now, on top of all the other problems. However I've had good things happen in the past, and I just have to look forward to them happening again.

I'm in the same boat, friend. My advice: surround yourself with people you love. Be it friends, family, whatever. It can help tremendously with general sadness and anxiety. If that's not an option, keep yourself busy with projects and activities. The pain is temporary, of course, but you can shorten its lifetime with some positive vibes. :)
 
Thanks.

I've think I've got a good handle on where it comes from. I've been conditioned to judge myself very harshly, always thinking there is something "broken" about me. Something I can't fix or correct no matter how hard I try. I view all my failures as the end of everything, and all my shortcomings as unstoppable road blocks. The problem now is how do I overcome years of programming and conditioning? When all you've known is hating yourself, how do you suddenly switch to love?

I've found temporary measures. Every now and then, I find happiness in working out or drawing or what have you. But like I told my sister last night, it all eventually feels meaningless because no one else seems to care or be interested in at least encouraging me.

On writing and drawing, I guess I settled on wanting to do them because they're the only interests I pursued because they made *me* happy. Made me feel like I could do something. But wanting to do it professionally? Seems impossible. I read around online about all these artists who have been practicing their art or writing for years. Honing the craft, you know? Then apparently, all of them have this nebulous "natural talent" that I don't seem to possess. Just this morning, I was reading this artist I really respect go on this rant about how you need the "spark" to be a pro, and anyone who doesn't have that should just be doing it for fun. It was really discouraging, ya know.

I must admit, I didn't flat out disagree. But still, this has been my dream since I was a kid. I love to create things. I just feel like I'm out of time. And if I can't write, what the hell can I do? I guess that's the question: what the hell am I good for?

On socializing, my sister offered to start spending more time with me. We're supposed to go see Star Trek this week. I'm going to try and reach out to my friends more. Hopefully, they don't hate me.

I had a pretty good idea about what my problem was too, I was 24 then. Now I'm 29 and I've had four years of therapy. I've done EMDR and scheme therapy. I know pretty much exactly where things come from. Plus I've learned to be a little less strict on myself. Or less angry with myself.
There are always reasons why people are the way they are, this is not a reason to dismiss them. It's what made you who you are. I'm not telling you to feel sorry for yourself, but to understand why things are the way they are. Also not to just be ok with it, but at least to understand. Understanding yourself also has to do with loving yourself, or caring about yourself, even if it's just a little bit. You can't suddenly switch to love, it's a very slow process and one in which it's hard to believe it's even possible.
It has helped me a lot to think of my problems and project them on somebody else; what would I say to them if they told me their story. Would I say; pssj you lamo, get over yourself, that's nothing and you're stupid for feeling that way! No, I would understand. So why am I being to hard on myself. What also helped was to think of the period in which those things happened. For example, I had a shitty time when I was 15, did stupid things, things I regret. But my therapist helped to remind me that I was only 15, a teenager, naive, young, innocent. People took advantage of me. Or course I had my share in that, but was I at fault?

About your creative wishes, I can't judge if you could do it professionally (don't want to either :)). Don't forget there are many ways to create and be creative. Thinking in solutions is a way to be creative as well, or thinking up projects or concepts. Also you don't have to do it alone. You can work with someone for example or when you have a job and you work in teams. Maybe it's also an idea to talk to a job coach? You could try to discover your strengths with someone else's help, someone with experience.

Good that you contacted your sister! And I hope your friends will be nice. I have lots of friends that I don't talk to on a regular basis. We both know that is the case, and all of them know how I am with my moodswings. You can always (briefly) tell them why they haven't heard from you. If they're real friends they'll understand.

I'm quite unsure about giving advice, so don't take anything I've said as 'the way it is', but I hope I can help you a bit by sharing my experiences.
 
I'm in the same boat, friend. My advice: surround yourself with people you love. Be it friends, family, whatever. It can help tremendously with general sadness and anxiety. If that's not an option, keep yourself busy with projects and activities. The pain is temporary, of course, but you can shorten its lifetime with some positive vibes. :)
Thanks dude :) still have difficult moments, but keeping occupied helps.
 
After seeing a post on my FB feed today, I realize I'm going to be alone the rest of my life and die alone. I just have way too many physical, mental and emotional problems that will prevent me from ever being with someone I can care about. Bad enough I saw a cool game online today I'd love to buy, realizing I'm literally completely broke but that FB post just straight out burned me. I've been pretty down for the last two weeks, so it's not just "one of those days" but yeah, it surely isn't really off to a good start either.
 
After seeing a post on my FB feed today, I realize I'm going to be alone the rest of my life and die alone. I just have way too many physical, mental and emotional problems that will prevent me from ever being with someone I can care about. Bad enough I saw a cool game online today I'd love to buy, realizing I'm literally completely broke but that FB post just straight out burned me. I've been pretty down for the last two weeks, so it's not just "one of those days" but yeah, it surely isn't really off to a good start either.

I hate looking at Facebook makes me even more depressed
 
I hate looking at Facebook makes me even more depressed

Ditto. I've greatly streamlined my feed as a result. Obviously, people only post what they want others to see but it's still aggravating to see someone going on and on about how great their life is (whether they're telling the truth or not).
 
After seeing a post on my FB feed today, I realize I'm going to be alone the rest of my life and die alone. I just have way too many physical, mental and emotional problems that will prevent me from ever being with someone I can care about. Bad enough I saw a cool game online today I'd love to buy, realizing I'm literally completely broke but that FB post just straight out burned me. I've been pretty down for the last two weeks, so it's not just "one of those days" but yeah, it surely isn't really off to a good start either.

Delete your fucking facebook account. Seriously.
 
I hate looking at Facebook makes me even more depressed
I rarely use it now but I totally agree with you. I'll hit 'Like' on a post or two maybe a couple times a week and haven't posted in maybe a week or two. I've been using Twitter more where I have mostly people I don't know who are posting gaming stuff.

Also update.... Just heard a member of family say they don't care if I pass out or die. Yup. Because they know I've been having stomach issues where I've been going to the bathroom a lot which I believe is associated with my insomnia which in turn might be caused due to anxiety. I usually have a hard time falling asleep at night. I feel physically uncomfortable as well as sometimes having too many thoughts going through my head.

Right now, I wish I either 1) had some money 2) able to run off for a bit or 3) both of the above. Because I'm broke, I can't do anything. Can't really take much of a walk because it's around 90 degrees outside (but feels hotter) and I don't have anyone I can really just hang with. I managed to crack a small smile to my face seeing a cool new game I've never known about but that's about as happy as I'm going to be all day. Not much more I can do at this moment, I suppose.
 
5 lessons and dozens of calculus/vectors questions to go through tonight for tomorrow's test, almost no motivation to do any of it, and the stye on my eye right eye is still bothering/paining the living fuck out of me. Right now I'm just super stressed + annoyed + tired. Can this week be over?
 
Delete your fucking facebook account. Seriously.
I actually do want to but one friend I have is a bit "sensitive" and if I shut it down, that means possibly losing the only RL friend I have left in town that I can actually spend time with which would be a disaster for me.

Welcome to my world.
And with depression, i lack motivation and interest to get a job, or do it.
As i've complained before, my mother doesn't seem to be caring about that i'm depressed much. So i think i know how you feel.
I hear ya. Have you tried maybe looking into a low stress, part time job? Maybe something temporary?
 

Hey, I don't have much in the way of advice, but I wanted to let you know I too suffer from the horrible guilt that comes with people doing stuff for me/buying things for me. I always feel like I don't deserve people to go out of their way for me, or to spend money on me, and it's horrible.

And while you aren't a danger to yourself or others, depression is in itself a dangerous illness. Have you sought any professional help? It can make a world of difference. Also, please continue to vent in here or in the chat, that can help as well. Sometimes just talking about it with like minded folk is very cathartic.
 
Finally running out of money and facing having to move in with friends or with my mom because I can't take care of myself. My mom and I... work best in small doses so I could see that being a nightmare situation. On the other hand, while I love the friends in question, I don't think they anticipate what a stressful situation this would be, watching someone they care about get sicker. I've also turned into quite the loner over the last several years, which isn't terribly healthy but I have no idea how I'd react when forced to see people every day.

People always say suicide isn't the answer but I think for certain situations, it's viable.
 
Finally running out of money and facing having to move in with friends or with my mom because I can't take care of myself. My mom and I... work best in small doses so I could see that being a nightmare situation. On the other hand, while I love the friends in question, I don't think they anticipate what a stressful situation this would be, watching someone they care about get sicker. I've also turned into quite the loner over the last several years, which isn't terribly healthy but I have no idea how I'd react when forced to see people every day.

People always say suicide isn't the answer but I think for certain situations, it's viable.
Moving in with friends, especially if you're unemployed, probably will not work out in your favor. I don't know your friends though, but more than likely that friend or friends will show a lot less tolerance over the course of a couple of weeks if you're at least not going out and doing stuff. Are you employed and living alone, if you don't mind me asking?

If not, I hope you can find a situation where you're comfortable. I know what it's like since I'm in a similar situation and I've been broke for a long time now.
 
I actually do want to but one friend I have is a bit "sensitive" and if I shut it down, that means possibly losing the only RL friend I have left in town that I can actually spend time with which would be a disaster for me.


I hear ya. Have you tried maybe looking into a low stress, part time job? Maybe something temporary?

A friend who gets pissed off if you close your FB account for personal reasons doesn't sound like a very good friend.
Just say you have to do it for personal reasons for now.
If it is a matter of staying in contact, there are a lot of options.



I need a job to get money, so that i could get my own apartment. Simple part-time job doesn't probably pay enough.
However, don't think almost any job i can get pays well enough for rent, if i want to stay in Helsinki (far from cheap, practical matters prevent me from moving to some cheaper city, namely that i don't have money in the first place...). Sharing an apartment is a no-no for me, i can't stand living with anyone really.

As for why i can't get anything better, i dropped out of high school a few years back. Haven't done much since. Should finish it and enroll to another school, an university or... whatever the options are called, don't remember right now.
Regardless what i do, i'm going to run into trouble as long as i'm having this damnable depression.

I'll see if i can get an appointment to a therapist or whatever it is called soon. Managed to decide that much a few days ago.
 
Moving in with friends, especially if you're unemployed, probably will not work out in your favor. I don't know your friends though, but more than likely that friend or friends will show a lot less tolerance over the course of a couple of weeks if you're at least not going out and doing stuff. Are you employed and living alone, if you don't mind me asking?

If not, I hope you can find a situation where you're comfortable. I know what it's like since I'm in a similar situation and I've been broke for a long time now.

I'm disabled due to chronic illness and get a monthly check from the government but it's not nearly enough to stay where I'm at, by myself. My friends (who are married) are very aware of all this and wouldn't expect me to do much (aside from maybe contribute some money and I can certainly do that). It would just be a great test on that relationship, on *any* relationship. I don't want to be the burden, you know?
 
5 lessons and dozens of calculus/vectors questions to go through tonight for tomorrow's test, almost no motivation to do any of it, and the stye on my eye right eye is still bothering/paining the living fuck out of me. Right now I'm just super stressed + annoyed + tired. Can this week be over?

You can do itttttt. Did you end up seeing a doctor for your eye?

After seeing a post on my FB feed today, I realize I'm going to be alone the rest of my life and die alone. I just have way too many physical, mental and emotional problems that will prevent me from ever being with someone I can care about. Bad enough I saw a cool game online today I'd love to buy, realizing I'm literally completely broke but that FB post just straight out burned me. I've been pretty down for the last two weeks, so it's not just "one of those days" but yeah, it surely isn't really off to a good start either.

What game?
Also, on the stomach stuff, I have IBS, and so do you possibly? Sounds like it, at least. Gets worse when I'm stressed/distressed, too.

On a personal update, there's too much happening in my life right now and I'm not capable of emotionally processing it properly, so I just go along with it and hope it all somehow works out without it totally backfiring or me hurting anybody. Who knows. I'm so confused.
 
I'm disabled due to chronic illness and get a monthly check from the government but it's not nearly enough to stay where I'm at, by myself. My friends (who are married) are very aware of all this and wouldn't expect me to do much (aside from maybe contribute some money and I can certainly do that). It would just be a great test on that relationship, on *any* relationship. I don't want to be the burden, you know?
Okay, then that certainly is different. If you have some really cool friends who will accept you in and not expect much in return and are sympathetic towards your disability, then by all means I would say go for it especially if you don't get along that well with your mother.

What game?
This lovely gem right here! One of my fave games of all time was Wonder Boy in Monster World and this is right up my alley.

Also, on the stomach stuff, I have IBS, and so do you possibly? Sounds like it, at least. Gets worse when I'm stressed/distressed, too.

On a personal update, there's too much happening in my life right now and I'm not capable of emotionally processing it properly, so I just go along with it and hope it all somehow works out without it totally backfiring or me hurting anybody. Who knows. I'm so confused.
I looked it up the other day on WEBMD and I'm not sure it falls under IBS. Basically, I have loose bowels and some days, I go to the bathroom.... a lot. The occasional night that I sleep good I seem to have less of this problem. I have very high anxiety and times of deep low depression. I believe that, over the years, has also contributed to it.
 
I looked it up the other day on WEBMD and I'm not sure it falls under IBS. Basically, I have loose bowels and some days, I go to the bathroom.... a lot. The occasional night that I sleep good I seem to have less of this problem. I have very high anxiety and times of deep low depression. I believe that, over the years, has also contributed to it.

Don't. At least, i've understood that site is anything but helpful.
 
Okay, then that certainly is different. If you have some really cool friends who will accept you in and not expect much in return and are sympathetic towards your disability, then by all means I would say go for it especially if you don't get along that well with your mother.

My mom can be overbearing. She means well and I don't blame her for freaking out when her child is suffering but I have enough to deal with. I think it would be a toxic situation to live with her. And I've already given up any chance of a romantic life to begin with but even with a slimmer of hope, there's nothing that kills it faster than telling a potential mate that you're living with your mom (at the age of 32).
 
PM me your steam nick.

Also could totally still be IBS. IBS isn't a diagnosis you have a lot of testable criteria for. You have irregular bowel movements once in a while, increased during stressful/emotionally taxing situations? That's it. You go check if it's not something else (Crohn's/Colitis being the common testable ones) and if it's nothing else it gets diagnosed as IBS, basically. Very simplified.

Thing that helped me most is cutting out lactose out of my diet, which has the side effect of also helping if your problem is simply lactose intolerance.

/enough with the medical advice online :lol.
 
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