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[Blusby]

People who want to date Manami should just go date a 3D girl.

No difference.

3DPD bullets should be avoided, always.

 

[Heyt]

Jokes aside, I can understand the drawings can be appealing but the sister fetish is really sickening.

Can somebody explain why is this suposed to add value to the japanese audience or why is not strange for mainstream products to feature it?

Has the word 'sister' a different connotation that is missing when they use english phrasing for marketing?

 

[Gestault]

So why are you putting the goal of the game against the goal of the product and consider it a valid comparison?

Because the context of the actions in a work matter. For example, "Johnny Got His Gun" is a book about war, but it is an anti-war work.

 

[ins0mnia]

Yeah. I was almost going to post seriously. That would have been a mistake. Sit back and enjoy.

Man, you guys should have posted sooner. I should probably stop.

 

[Tizoc]

Why is this thread 7 pages long all of a sudden?

 

[FluxWaveZ]

You're definitely implying here that anyone who enjoys this game is some type of pedophile or deviant, by focusing on the appeal of said image as a main reason why anyone would play it.
Sure, some people who have never seen the show might buy it because it has cute girls, but hasn't that been happening for as long as we can remember?

What I've been trying to say all along is that the Japanese (the intended audience and target market) do not find the content questionable in the same way that you do.

Again, this is why the game isn't being localized. I would love to see the media's reaction if it did, though.

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying completely. For one, no I am not implying that people who enjoy this are some type of pedophile or deviant, and that's where my statement of you seeing this as perceived slight comes in. The images are in the game so they must appeal to a certain demographic and that's what I'm talking about when I say I can't understand the appeal even though those who like them can. I'm not talking about this getting localized or others not finding it questionable, I'm talking about what I think of this game.

This game doesn't interest me and that's fine. It interests other people, and that's fine too. So I don't understand why you're going to such lengths to defend it as though I am attacking it and condemning anyone who has an interest in it as pedophiles. Take my statements for how they are presented and don't try to look so deep into them as though they have some malicious intent.

 

[Chet Rippo]

People who want to date Manami should just go date a 3D girl.

No difference.

And that's a bad thing?

 

[Gbraga]

Is the anime half as funny as those threads are? If so I must watch it.

 

[The Grim Heaper]

Why is this thread 7 pages long all of a sudden?

my little sister can't possibly be this judgmental

 

[Blood Diamonds]

It's the first time I've seen this type of thread and it's incredible.

I like to watch.

That's why it's so much fun.

Yeah it's pretty fun.

 

[Crash Station]

Why is this thread 7 pages long all of a sudden?

Pretty soon, we'll beat the TV OT for season 2.

 

[Risette]

Why is this thread 7 pages long all of a sudden?

gaf loves little sisters

 

[Averon]

Yeeeaahhh...Oreimo is pretty much what we all suspect it is. Season 2 of the anime makes that clear. I haven't read the lights novels but from what I've read from spoilers, it drops all pretense and pretty much embrace the incest angle it has been tip-toeing around.

 

[SmokyDave]

I honestly forgot what my first impressions were...

The whole incest thing is overblown. It's just sibling bonding, really, even if it does happen with some weird circumstances, but hey, that's anime for ya. The games are quite fanservicey. Can't really say much else about that.

I'm sure you understand why this sort of thing raises eyebrows though. The concept of an incestuous relationship with an underage sister isn't exactly mainstream in gaming.

Everyone acts perverted in anime sometimes. It's just the subject of affection might not always be legal.

It's like Herbert in Family Guy. I doubt anyone would call that a pedo show due to the existence of that character.

With what the author's being doing lately, it might go into full-blown incest territory. Or the guy will keep milking it since it's damn popular.

'Everyone does it' isn't terribly reassuring.

I think the difference for me is that Family Guy doesn't revolve around Herbert, nor do people deny / dance around the fact that he's a Pedo. If it was called The Herbert Show, you can be sure people would call it 'that cartoon about the pedo'.

I think the level of defensiveness in this topic illustrates that many people do understand how this looks to outsiders. Pointing fingers at 'righteous GAF' in an attempt to normalise this subject matter seems like trying to fool oneself to me. Please note, I'm aiming that comment at the clearly defensive posters, and not yourself.

 

[Frumix]

Because the context of the actions in a work matter. For example, "Johnny Got His Gun" is a book about war, but it is an anti-war work.

You're twisting the notions. Stories can have anti-war message, but an action game with an anti-war point is entirely self-defeating. All action games are made to let players feel the thrill of the action. Thereby even if a war-themed shooter ultimately has an anti-war story, the player is still engaged in killing hunderds of virtual opponents for fun.

 

[Kacho]

Why is this thread 7 pages long all of a sudden?

Japan.

 

[daniels]

There is a difference between a game premised on violence when there is a narrative significance to that violence, and a game which encourages behavior which is abusive and incestuous as its primary goal. Prurient interests have a distinction, culturally and practically, from conflict and battle.

This game tantalizes incest and taking advantage of age/maturity disparity in sexual pursuits. The semiotics (and some more overt statements) make that abundantly clear, and the *goal* of the product is to focus on those elements. That is different from the "fantasy" of taking action in the scenarios presented in the vast majority of action games.

In an odd way, the overarching goal of this game is to victimize and cause a sort of harm for the desire of the player, where the goal of most "war" games is to end the conflicts the player is involved in.

Driving over hookers in gta and ripping heads of in Mortal Kombat. DAT narrative significance

 

[Crash Station]

Is the anime half as funny as those threads are? If so I must watch it.

Not really. It's more aggravating than fun since the sister is a horrible person that even the author hates. Some people like that, though.

 

[cjkeats]

my little sister can't possibly be this judgmental

You made a good post for once. I'm proud of you Heapy.

 

[Hattori]

Japan.

thank you for generalizing a whole country.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Not really. It's more aggravating than fun since the sister is a horrible person that even the author hates. Some people like that, though.

It was the first moment I was ashamed of SDBurton.

 

[Chet Rippo]

Not really. It's more aggravating than fun since the sister is a horrible person that even the author hates. Some people like that, though.

Just like a real little sister!

 

[DeadRockstar]

Is the anime half as funny as those threads are? If so I must watch it.

Don't bother. This thread is way funnier.

 

[SDBurton]

It was the first moment I was ashamed of SDBurton.

Kirino takes no shit from no one. I respect that swag.

 

[serplux]

I'm sure you understand why this sort of thing raises eyebrows though. The concept of an incestuous relationship with an underage sister isn't exactly mainstream in gaming.

Easily understand that. I'm a lot more uncomfortable defending the games as opposed to the the anime.

The series is mainstream in Japan though.

 

[Kusagari]

Nah, she's too idealized to be real. Dat tolerance.

Considering what I've read about the last novel, I'm not sure about that :lol.

And that's a bad thing?

I want a little bit of the unrealistic in my anime girls, but I guess some like the normal thing.

 

[Chance Hale]

Just like a real little sister!

Anime's Dardenne Brothers, capturing reality in a way never before seen in the mediu,.

 

[The Grim Heaper]

You made a good post for once. I'm proud of you Heapy.

th-thanks

Just like a real little sister!

ohohohoho that's clever stuff

Kirino takes no shit from no one. I respect that swag.

You like Kirino? THAT'S EVEN WORSE

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

th-thanks


ohohohoho that's clever stuff


You like Kirino? THAT'S EVEN WORSE

SEE WHAT I MEAN

 

[PartTimeWarrior]

Manami is bottom tier

Nah, Kirino is

 

[antitrop]

I'm sure you understand why this sort of thing raises eyebrows though. The concept of an incestuous relationship with an underage sister isn't exactly mainstream in gaming.



'Everyone does it' isn't terribly reassuring.

I think the difference for me is that Family Guy doesn't revolve around Herbert, nor do people deny / dance around the fact that he's a Pedo. If it was called The Herbert Show, you can be sure people would call it 'that cartoon about the pedo'.

I think the level of defensiveness in this topic illustrates that many people do understand how this looks to outsiders. Pointing fingers at 'righteous GAF' in an attempt to normalise this subject matter seems like trying to fool oneself to me. Please note, I'm aiming that comment at the clearly defensive posters, and not yourself.

This is probably my favorite serious post in this thread.

 

[cjkeats]

Kirino takes no shit from no one. I respect that swag.

Damn straight.

You like Kirino? THAT'S EVEN WORSE

I take back what I said.

 

[OverBlood 3]

I'm sure you understand why this sort of thing raises eyebrows though. The concept of an incestuous relationship with an underage sister isn't exactly mainstream in gaming.



'Everyone does it' isn't terribly reassuring.

I think the difference for me is that Family Guy doesn't revolve around Herbert, nor do people deny / dance around the fact that he's a Pedo. If it was called The Herbert Show, you can be sure people would call it 'that cartoon about the pedo'.

I think the level of defensiveness in this topic illustrates that many people do understand how this looks to outsiders. Pointing fingers at 'righteous GAF' in an attempt to normalise this subject matter seems like trying to fool oneself to me. Please note, I'm aiming that comment at the clearly defensive posters, and not yourself.

Here here.

 

[Takuya]

No love for Saori?

 

[Gestault]

I don't see how defending violence is a good thing.

What you're saying is that there's a narrative significance to the "incest" that you're witch hunting about, and therefore it is okay.

It's not defending violence, it's defending the use of representations of violence as an element to make a statement. Some of the greatest anti-war works were violent, and wouldn't have had any impact without containing exactly that content.

That is different from a work where the goal is the anti-social behavior itself. Particularly a behavior which satiates player desire in a predatory context. I would not defend a work which tantalized murder and torture. Taking advantage of a maturity gap, in terms of age or nubility, particularly in an incestuous context, is predatory.

And it's very cute when you're defending this by suggesting there IS no suggestion of incest, that this is a "witch hunt," when the title, content, and intent of the author is very clear in that regard.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

I'm sure you understand why this sort of thing raises eyebrows though. The concept of an incestuous relationship with an underage sister isn't exactly mainstream in gaming.



'Everyone does it' isn't terribly reassuring.

I think the difference for me is that Family Guy doesn't revolve around Herbert, nor do people deny / dance around the fact that he's a Pedo. If it was called The Herbert Show, you can be sure people would call it 'that cartoon about the pedo'.

I think the level of defensiveness in this topic illustrates that many people do understand how this looks to outsiders. Pointing fingers at 'righteous GAF' in an attempt to normalise this subject matter seems like trying to fool oneself to me. Please note, I'm aiming that comment at the clearly defensive posters, and not yourself.

lol

 

[buddha0991]

I think every time there is a topic about this series anywhere on GAF, the topic is basically copy and pasted. While I have no love for this series, I just find that hilarious, every single time. You guys on both sides should literally just find your old post in the old topics for this and just post it here again.

 

[Tizoc]

gaf loves little sisters

Mind you I'm mostly surprised is all, I'd expect it to be like 2-3 pages by now, but 7?

 

[Frumix]

And it's very cute when you're defending this by suggesting there IS no suggestion of incest, that this is a "witch hunt," when the title, content, and intent of the author is very clear in that regard.

I thought you were the one who asked not to judge by the title.

 

[chickdigger802]

 

[fek]

No love for Saori?

I didn't have any interest in her before, but I loved this S2 episode that showed her past.

 

[Gestault]

You're twisting the notions. Stories can have anti-war message, but an action game with an anti-war point is entirely self-defeating. All action games are made to let players feel the thrill of the action. Thereby even if a war-themed shooter ultimately has an anti-war story, the player is still engaged in killing hunderds of virtual opponents for fun.

If you can't understand how a work can contain elements which it criticizes, even interactive works, then you probably won't understand people's criticisms in this thread without coming away very confused.

 

[Crash Station]

'Everyone does it' isn't terribly reassuring.

I think the difference for me is that Family Guy doesn't revolve around Herbert, nor do people deny / dance around the fact that he's a Pedo. If it was called The Herbert Show, you can be sure people would call it 'that cartoon about the pedo'.

I guess that makes sense.

I think the level of defensiveness in this topic illustrates that many people do understand how this looks to outsiders. Pointing fingers at 'righteous GAF' in an attempt to normalise this subject matter seems like trying to fool oneself to me. Please note, I'm aiming that comment at the clearly defensive posters, and not yourself.

Oh, absolutely, and the title doesn't help. The thing is, that was probably intentional. Season 1 was all about acceptance despite having hobbies that society looks down on. It didn't try to normalize it, just made the argument that the sister probably isn't going to go out a rape little girls just because she looks at erotic drawings.

Of course now, they are kind of trying to normalize it and it is hard to defend at this point. It's better to just admit you can either enjoy it in spite of that, or you just want to finish it because you've come this far. If RedNumberFive thinks you're a pedo because of that, whatever.

 

[Socreges]

I think the level of defensiveness in this topic illustrates that many people do understand how this looks to outsiders. Pointing fingers at 'righteous GAF' in an attempt to normalise this subject matter seems like trying to fool oneself to me. Please note, I'm aiming that comment at the clearly defensive posters, and not yourself.

Well said.

It's unsurprising but still unsettling to me that certain people are intent on portraying those that are disgusted as the group with issues, as opposed to those who enjoy this sort of subject matter.

 

[khaaan]

Mind you I'm mostly surprised is all, I'd expect it to be like 2-3 pages by now, but 7?

I think the last thread about this game blew up to a point where it had to be locked.

 

[Crash Station]

Easily understand that. I'm a lot more uncomfortable defending the games as opposed to the the anime.

The series is mainstream in Japan though.

Mainstream anime isn't really "mainstream" unless we're talking Ghibli/Hosoda/Evangelion stuff.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

 

[Frumix]

If you can't understand how a work can contain elements which it criticizes, even interactive works, then you probably won't understand people's criticisms in this thread without coming away very confused.

Pot, kettle.

 

[Christhor]

If only my little sister was that cute.

 

[Gestault]

I thought you were the one who asked not to judge by the title.

Pretty sure you're mistaken..? If you're actually trying to argue that the premise and narrative isn't about incest, season two would like a word with you. Or like...basically everything about it.