Graphics Horse
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It was reduced from 120 to 50 unless you know better.
Sony CEO Kaz Hirai: PS4 is first and foremost a game console
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It was reduced from 120 to 50 unless you know better.
IHaveCandy
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Well that's just plain shitty design, because those 120 MB of RAM did nothing for the OS.
Marty Chinn
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The PS3 always had an OS running. What you didn't have was the ability to bring up the XMB. Don't mistake that for not having an OS running with reserved resources that developers couldn't touch.
Like I said before, you can always reduce your memory footprint, but you can NEVER ask for more resources. So it's better to reserve a lot now than too little.
sometimes i game
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:lol
Pretty much. Oh well, let the kids have their fun.
I don't think it's semantics though. There's clearly a huge MS media focus, which takes resources, shifts policies, etc. Deals like NFL don't just happen, they take MS staff, they take MS funding, they take MS advertising/PR attention.
It will still play games. :shrug
IHaveCandy
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I guess I take MS' marketing the 3 GB for the non-gaming stuff as intentional design rather than-future proofing it and freeing up space.
In some ways it was forward thinking, reserving RAM for things they planned and when they wound up not doing whatever it might have been they eventually released it. They needed it, since they launched with a lot of things lacking compared to the 360 UI/OS features and had to piecemeal things in.
IHaveCandy
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I think people here would rather that NFL funding go towards creating new studios and new IP. MS is on record saying they've got a lot of new games to show, but I think some people are skeptical and fear it is going to be a lot of Kinect games.
Nevergiveup
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MS has staff working on the surface, lack of focus on games confirmed?
I really doubt that, if spending $1 billion on first party IP isn't impressing people, $1.4 wouldn't do it either.
You can't look to the launch PS3 (or the launch 360) as both had very limited non-gaming function to begin with. The amount of resources reserved were there for the OS and security, with some headroom which led to future apps.
The Xbone has been designed from day one to run as a home Windows 8 box and a gaming box combined. The gist that people are making, that you seem to be arguing against, is that the former requirement (apps) has heavily reduced the capabilities of the latter (gaming).
I would say that MS have made the Xbone with a design that balances both needs. As such, it is not focused on games at all, but a jack of all trades. The point that the PS4 has been designed first and foremost as a gaming platform is backed up by the technical details and revered resources.
what I am saying is that all of that memory was for playing games... even one taken up for the OS - it wasnt for watching live TV and side view, it was for... playing games.
Do you understand the difference?
IHaveCandy
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That's a big number, but how much of that money is towards marketing of those new games? That's why I don't really care about the indirect numbers. If MS shows a ton of great games at E3, then great. But simply saying 15 games, $1 billion in a vacuum isn't exciting.
sometimes i game
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Surface isn't the video game team and it's not a part of their videogame console that they'll need to communicate. How did you think your comment made any sense?
Halo 3 had a $55 million dollar budget and $40 million for marketing. Halo 3 was also awesome imo, so I could see this going either way.
This is completely wrong.
lol y r u talking about the ps3 tho
And this is all that matters
Nevergiveup
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Microsoft has created studios for apps , TV shows and other entertainment bs . Just like how the surface team was created for tablets.now if developers from lionhead for instance was being forced to develop tv shows and stuff it'll be a waste of resources that's not the case.
Holly Caust
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yeah you know us gamers, always watching stock news
And this is all that matters
Yes, that is what Kaz is saying here, bro.
The PS4 is a gamer's machine.
That is all that matters.
Goodacre0081
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Microsoft did it last gen and they'll do it this gen. start off with a slew of new IP and games, create a nice user base for the third party and start to trim the bulk of their studios after a few years, keeping the games and studios that sell big numbers.
it's such a departure from what Sony does. we're five months away from new consoles and still looking forward to some big games on PS3.
it's such a departure from what Sony does. we're five months away from new consoles and still looking forward to some big games on PS3.
I can agree with this but that's because I'm not a fan of the NFL. But a billion dollars dedicated to gaming eases things for me.
sometimes i game
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I suppose that makes sense, I'm just thinking about it from the big picture. When Microsoft has to spend advertising and PR on showing how it's the best choice for entertainment, there will be a lot of noise if they're trying to advertise it as the gamer console at the same time.
edit: Microsoft already said they targeted X1 as a broad entertainment play and thus didn't chase higher end graphics. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about re: a console that prioritizes media so hard.
It's what got me to buy an Xbox 360 before a PS3.
I won't fall for the same trick twice, though. PC/Playstation for life.
CosmicGroinPull
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This is my only concern. If it's to fund COD expansion packs or limited exclusives then its money wasted.
Ding ding ding.
In fact, that Sony has been rather beat around the bush lately about the specifics regarding DRM/Used Games/non-gaming entertainment in light of the MS backlash tells me they've got some things in the pipeline that they know gamers aren't going to be too happy about.
We're kidding ourselves if we think XB1 is going to be the only "anti-consumerist" console.
AgentChris
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Omnistalgic
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good good...
Completely and entirely wrong.
The PS4 will obviously be home to non-gaming apps. Isn't the PS3 still the #1 device used to access Netflix? The PS4 will continue this, and apps are here to stay.
From what we know, the PS4 has the following resources available for games (Xbone figures in brackets).
GPU 100% (90%)
CPU 87.5% (75%)
RAM 87.5% (62.5%)
The Xbone Win8 OS effectively creates is a dual core VM with 3GB RAM and enough GPU to do media playback. What's left is there for gaming. With the PS4, it can be argues that even some of the reserved resources have gaming applications - the sharing features etc.
What? I just don't understand this.
I remember LESS THAN A YEAR ago, when we only had the Wii U specs to rage over, practically EVERYONE was speculating that Sony and MS would would TROUNCE Nintendo by putting 4gigs of ram in their nexxt consoles, MAYBE even 6.
Now both MS and Sony have exceeded expectations by giving us 8 gigs of ram. Even after you allocate RAM to OS we're still left with 5 gigs of ram, about 1 more gig than MOST people were speculating at the beginning of the year.
So I don't understand how these consoles are suddenly "weak" and resource starved.
I always liked that scene especially the one guy that gets back up to ask about something else.YES its a game console.
Puppet Shadow
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'Focus' though, really means nothing. It's just a word used in PR to appease the target demographic you're referring it to. I enjoyed my PS2 as much as my Gamecube, even though the Gamecube only 'focused' on games. Hell, these days I mostly PC game and as someone above mentioned, games are hardly the main focus for PC's. It's like Microsoft saying '"We are going to kill Sony at E3!'. I'll believe their actions, not their words.
It should simply come down to 'Which console is going to offer me the games I like their most that will screw me over the least as far as my consumer rights go'. At least it is for me. Hopefully we'll have a better idea after E3.
TLDR: I'm more cynical than you.
gundamkyoukai
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I think it's rather easy to see where both companies focus are .
Yes both will have apps and games but for Sony PS4 is a game console first and foremost .
From there PR , there hardware layout, there new policies on indies devs shows where the focus for PS4 is .
Compare to PS3 it is night and day to tell the truth and i glad they learn something from that .
Yes both will have apps and games but for Sony PS4 is a game console first and foremost .
From there PR , there hardware layout, there new policies on indies devs shows where the focus for PS4 is .
Compare to PS3 it is night and day to tell the truth and i glad they learn something from that .
maquiladora
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When used in a PR / CEO sound bite context, sure, I agree.
But what the past couple of pages have been talking about is hardware. The design of the PS4 focused on games, the design of the Xbone focused equally on apps and games. If you look at the hardware, you can see what the real 'focus' that both MS and Sony put on gaming, regardless of any spin / PR guff that comes from either of them.
Manmademan
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Xplatformer
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Day. One.
My old ass is ready SONY.
My old ass is ready SONY.
And this is all that matters
Right, principles be damned, if it plays games, I'll sign up for whatever. If I have to sign away my first born, well at least it plays games.
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We, as gamers, shouldn't really be concerned with those kinds of things though. We shouldn't ask for whatever seems to be necessary to make it successful-- we should be asking for games, and just trust Sony to know what's best. If they do decide to push Live TV in combination with games? Great. It's not an issue unless they decide to focus 90% on non-gaming stuff, or make it more about other stuff.
I wouldn't mind if Sony appealed to the core gamer, and *then* to the more casual crowd. The casual crowd probably won't know or care about the PS4 release, so it makes a lot of sense to first appeal to the "core" gamer (I don't like that term anymore.) in order to build up the install base, and then to the casual crowd.
But it's not something we should concern ourselves with until it becomes a major issue (IE: Xbox One used games, Kinect, always on, etc.). Sony has been good to gamers for a long time now with PS+ and how they've (so far) talked about the PS4.
The PS4noDRM initiative is, however, a good idea, since it's such an important issue, and they need to be fully aware of how the gamers feel about it.
(I bought a used PS3 quite late into the cycle and have a couple of games for it, but my main playconsole is the Xbox 360. I've gone through 3 Xbox 360's or so, I have the most games for the Xbox 360, and I prefer to play on the Xbox 360, so I guess if anything I would most likely be biased towards Microsoft/Xbox.)
Puppet Shadow
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Well, crap... by bad then. I have like four tabs open and must have missed most of that angle. I saw RAM come up, but these days I skim that topic (had my fill already).
Hardware wise, I agree the PS4 is the better gaming machine, and I expect next gen that there will be a reversal and most 3rd party games will look better on the PS 4 than the XBox One. Considering the hardware, the differences should be larger, too.
Sorry for the derail.
Joking aside, Kaz is the man. He will bring Sony back to profitability, one step at a time. I see him executing on his initial plan to the tee with PlayStation, Cameras, and mobile being their focus. So glad all of those dinosaurs running the company are being replaced, and him promoting people who have great experience in their fields.
TacticalFox88
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