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[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

We note.

We notice.

Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Oh god.

Oh GOD! I love this!

 

[Reversed]

I wonder if there's a correlation between these people and the media contribution of CEOs doing silly things for hyping.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

Who is bishoptl and why is everyone so excited?

 

[Evolution_1ne]

Who is bishoptl and why is everyone so excited?

would be a documentary in and of itself

Ever played New Vegas, the Legate known as Lainus or bishoptl in this case

 

[SamuraiX-]

Who is bishoptl and why is everyone so excited?

bish don't fuck around.

Shit's about to get real.

 

[NIGHT-]

I'll hold you to that at e3, Sony.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

would be a documentary in and of itself

Ever played New Vegas, the Legate known as Lainus or bishoptl in this case

bish don't fuck around.

Shit's about to get real.

I'm still at the same point... xD

 

[Amagon]

We note.

We notice.

Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

 

[XeNoN89]

Sony still making all the right moves. Expecting an epic E3 from them

 

[mrklaw]

I wonder how much ram is optimal for PS4? I.e what can reasonably be leveraged by the GPU? Was 4Gb ideal in their original plan and they are just providing some extra for caching and OS, or was it a little on the low side and now the system can get more actual benefit from the 8GB?

 

[mrklaw]

I see what you're saying, but I think it's more about MS trying to integrate its new platform more harmoniously with a television that has a broader set of users in the household and not just the game room TV or in the bedroom. It's about having a unit in front of a wider audience, tempting them with wares from movies to television shows to games to apps. No spending two or three years building cred with more gamer-only crowd until you then introduce yourself to their parents, the little siblings, and non-gaming SO. By four years in, most consoles are at the full reach of their development, hitting second sequels of new series, and offering more T-rated and E-rated games than M-rated ones and branching out into other genres that aren't so adrenaline-fueled a little more. I don't believe that MS is late with their approach, nor do I think streaming is the only television most people watch. It's certainly the future, but I have a difficult time seeing television lose its billions-strong viewership and relevance inside of the next decade or more as it could be suggested. Remember that MS stated their intentions for this new console will be to appeal to emerging markets for consoles and those people aren't quite where the US is with streaming popularity. By the time MS' work on integration is mature with the constant updates with X1 over the years, the possibility of streaming taking over could be a reality, but the X2 will be ready to sell. That said, the current system can still enjoy all the streaming you can handle as it is.

Sounds reasonable, but what is the market size for a $4-500 box that gives you slightly better access to services like Netflix by overlaying them on your TV?

Surely at launch you go with gamers because they are wiling to pay the entry fee, which is expensive because of the tech you put in there to play games.

If you were doing TV overlay and Netflix you could just produce a much cheaper google TV type box.

It isn't about communicating to your parents later on, it's about communicating to your parents when the price is right for them.

 

[Tylahedras]

I must admit Bishy boy has me on the edge of my seat.

 

[seanoff]

Who is bishoptl and why is everyone so excited?

Bish is a long term mod not known for putting up with shit or shenanigans of any sort.

Also a well credentialed dev/producer

 

[Durante]

I wonder how much ram is optimal for PS4? I.e what can reasonably be leveraged by the GPU? Was 4Gb ideal in their original plan and they are just providing some extra for caching and OS, or was it a little on the low side and now the system can get more actual benefit from the 8GB?

Sebbi made some really interesting posts on this topic on B3D a year or so ago.

Wait, is GAF cheering for a mod to violate the privacy of people that post here? Seems a bit hypocritical.

For "people" (I use this word in the loosest possible sense) for whom posting in forums is their job, it is not a private matter.

What really surprises me about some of these recently vocal members is how long ago their accounts were created. Someone has been preparing for a long time.

 

[DBT85]

Who are all these bad people? I've clearly not been paying attention.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Who are all these bad people? I've clearly not been paying attention.

Me neither to be honest, but I'm still interested. I'm not very good at spotting the difference between hired goons and unemployed goons.

 

[mrklaw]

Sebbi made some really interesting posts on this topic on B3D a year or so ago.


For "people" (I use this word in the loosest possible sense) for whom posting in forums is their job, it is not a private matter.

What really surprises me about some of these recently vocal members is how long ago their accounts were created. Someone has been preparing for a long time.

Yeah but wasn't that focused on general streaming engine tech? It was fascinating, but I'd like something that expands on it to include the specific throughout of what we're expecting from the components and architecture of Xbox one/PS4. I think it'd be an interesting to see

 

[MasLegio]

Wait, is GAF cheering for a mod to violate the privacy of people that post here? Seems a bit hypocritical.

privacy on the internet?
privacy for people that use NeoGAF as a platform for viral (guerilla) marketing or to spin things in positive lights for their employer?
privacy is important but if the person using the forum does not respect the rules and uses the site for corporate gain that person is not posting as a private person but as a representative of that corporation or marketing company. There should be no privacy for corporate entities, privacy for corporate entities is a bad thing. In fact, in many countries it is illegal for companies to do marketing by proxy not making the origin of the marketing/message known.

Who are all these bad people? I've clearly not been paying attention.

an example
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/search.php?searchid=425829

 

[Akira]

privacy on the internet?
privacy for people that use NeoGAF as a platform for viral (guerilla) marketing or to spin things in positive lights for their employer?
privacy is important but if the person using the forum does not respect the rules and uses the site for corporate gain that person is not posting as a private person but as a representative of that corporation or marketing company. And there should be no privacy for corporate entities. In fact, in many countries it is illegal for companies to do marketing by proxy not making the origin of the marketing known.

Agreed. Guerilla marketing is the most vile type of marketing.

 

[michaelius]

Ha i always knew people can't be as stupid as some of the posts suggest

 

[Sidewinder]

Ha i always knew people can't be as stupid as some of the posts suggest

Lol, wouldn't be so sure about that.

E3 of the forever and now this, it just gets better by the day!

 

[MasLegio]

Ha i always knew people can't be as stupid as some of the posts suggest

We can all be stupid sometimes. Next gen E3 makes us weak and less human. After all we are nothing more than mere animals responding to stimuli.

 

[DBT85]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/search.php?searchid=425829

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

.

 

[Whiteshirt]

He must be talking about GlassBox aka the not-so-discrete defender of everything EA during the whole SimCity fiasco.

 

[jeff_rigby]

Well, for starters, you can actually, in my opinion, see some parallels to the Xbox One's announcement messaging and the PS3's messaging. Part of the reason I was so turned me off by the PS3, despite being a huge PS2 fan at the time, was Sony's positioning the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player first and a gaming machine second. That also drove up the price. I was really angry with the $599 price, because it always seemed like the only reason it was so expensive was because of Blu-Ray. The cynical side of me always looked at that as Sony trying to use the PS3 as a trojan horse to win a proprietary format war for movies and that they were essentially exploiting the PlayStation brand to profit from a feature that gamers really didn't care about. It's especially relevant, since, at the time, we were seeing consumers transitioning more to streaming media like Netflix for movies instead of physical media in the same way that Xbox One's reveal focused so much on television and smart tv functionality when so much of their core audience is moving away from live televison and cable. You can make the argument that a lot of people probably bought a PS2 as a cheap DVD player, but that was at a time when we were transitioning from VHS to a format that provided a vastly better experience and movie rental places were still relevant.

When the PS3 rolled out, people weren't going to buy it for $600 just for better looking movies, especially when there was strong competition from streaming media. It's why, for the most part, 3D HDTV's pretty much failed. Consumers who went out and bought an HDTV a few years earlier at expensive prices - probably the first huge transition in a new TV format adoption since the introduction of color televisions - weren't going to line up to buy 3D HDTV's a scant few years later at prices double what they paid for for their HDTV.

The PS3 in 2006 included a blu-ray player because the plans for ATSC 2.0 (S3D and 1080P) used a blu-ray codec and XTV needs XML, Java and more recently a Javascript engine to support Apps. Network connected blu-ray players have the software stack to support ATSC 2.0 and with DLNA and DTCP-IP (planned for PS3 firmware 3.0) it can support RVU known to be a FCC mandate since 2010. A 2001 paper I cited spells this out. Microsoft, Sony, Warner Brothers, Disney...were part of an alliance in the 90's promoting the technology for what is to happen 2013-2014.

The PS3 can support being a RVU/ATSC 2.0 set top box while the Xbox360 can't because it can't support 1080P and while it can use a h.264 codec, the PS3 dual use of a blu-ray player codec for blu-ray and ATSC 2.0 makes it cheaper.

Sony saying they are not concentrating on TV/media features and apps out of the gate on the PS4 makes me think they are further behind Microsoft in implementing the features. Games could be written on developer platforms but it they are using HSAIL on a combination ARM & AMD X86/GPU for APPS...that might not have been possible until recently.

 

[lherre]

We note.

We notice.

Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

Yes please !!!

 

[rdrr gnr]

Ha i always knew people can't be as stupid as some of the posts suggest

You don't need to be paid to be a bleating fanboy. 99% of stupid posts come from stupid posters.

 

[AOC83]

Thank you based Kaz for saving video games.

 

[something fishy]

haha, saving video games.

we'll see. will that still be true if the drm is revealed and if turns out they aren't the only ones with tons of games?

as a whole though this competition , ignoring the marketing talk and bullshit, should be seriously good for us customers.. even us in the pc world watching and waiting as much ends up hitting pc in the end.

 

[ReaperXL7]

You don't need to be paid to be a bleating fanboy. 99% of stupid posts come from stupid posters.

True, but if the mods have real reason to believe that specific poster are paid corporate cheerleaders then I dont see why anyone should feel bad about them being called out. We all get caught up in the hype sometimes( I did for Kingdoms of Amalur), but if someone is being paid to spin, and defend bullshit then I have no sympathy.

 

[Type2]

I was wondering how all these threads keep getting such a high post count. Especially this one, I mean hasn't Sony come right out of the gate with their PS4 reveal with a clear focus?


Anywho, I am as curious as the rest of you are about bishops post. Maybe even frothing.

 

[saladine1]

You see, this is all MS had to do in the first place. Concentrate on getting the point across that it's a games machine first and foremost. Then later down the track tell the world about your wonderful TV experiences.
It's all about attitude...

 

[mrklaw]

I was wondering all these threads keep getting such a high post count. Especially this one, I mean hasn't Sony come right out of the gate with their PS4 reveal with a clear focus?


Anywho, I am as curious as the rest of you are about bishops post. Maybe even frothing.

it feels like there are two themes that get big traction here at the moment.

- MS' plans around DRM/used games/focus on entertainment
- Sony's focus on games

both are similar but get different reactions - Sony's get lots of positivity, and MS's lots of negativity. Feels to me thats just two sides of the same coin. People on here are fed up of their hobby being diluted by other factors deemed more imporant. So when Sony comes out and says all the right things for that hobby (its about games, better tools, listening to developers, indy support) they get great responses becasue thats what we want to hear. We want to hear that from everybody but the past few years have been fucked up. It feels like an outpouring of emotion based on pent up frustration at platform holders and publishers alike.

 

[-SD-]

Yes, that's why it's named "PlayStation".

 

[jaosobno]

haha, saving video games.

we'll see. will that still be true if the drm is revealed and if turns out they aren't the only ones with tons of games?

as a whole though this competition , ignoring the marketing talk and bullshit, should be seriously good for us customers.. even us in the pc world watching and waiting as much ends up hitting pc in the end.

something fishy
Junior Member
(Today, 10:40 AM)

 

[Laughing Banana]

Bish is a long term mod not known for putting up with shit or shenanigans of any sort.

Also a well credentialed dev/producer

Outside of Turok what games have he worked on...?

 

[JimmyRustler]

I want children with you Kaz.

Love this guy. If he keeps up with this promise I'll buy the PS4 even if it costs 1.000 EUR.

 

[Snubbers]

Ahh. noo...

Bish has made me see what cannot be unseen.

Everytime I see a gushing post, or obtuse idiotic one, I just keep thinking "Is this a shill?"

 

[driver116]

The strong Xb damage control in this thread.

 

[Neuromancer]

I wonder how many times a viral marketer for one side has argued with a viral marketer on the other side...

 

[gamemadmax]

We note.

We notice.

Hey, would anybody be interested in a thread where I detail some of the social agency email addresses that have come up during my offsite research into some of our more recently vocal members?

It's fascinating.

 

[chicko1983]

He's one of them - hang him!!!

Why wouldn't he be allowed? if you sign up with some sort of work email it isn't hard to find where you come from. And there is a reason they do this, it is so we don't get a bunch of people coming in shouting off their opinions, putting down others or spreading rumours when they come from rival companies.

As I said, I dont work for a gaming company.

However, posting where people work, is possible breach of someone's privacy. Sure they signed up using their work address, but they didnt sign up thinking that that would be made public.

If bish was really worried about those people commenting with bias of their own company, he'd just ban them.

No need to make a big fuss and name and shame, no matter how good it is to read for others.

 

[jaosobno]

Not that I work for anyone in the games industry, but is he allowed to check where people work? Is that not an invasion of privacy?

Terms of Service

III. Moderation Policy

D. We reserve the right to reveal your identity (or whatever information we know about you), typically in (but not limited to) the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message posted by you.

I guess this is the part of TOS that refers to this situation.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390708

 

[Coxy]

A mod posted that he is 90% sure that the PS4 is region free.

I must have missed this, awesome if true

What really surprises me about some of these recently vocal members is how long ago their accounts were created. Someone has been preparing for a long time.

a lot of people about who havent posted since say, 2005-6 breaking their silence recently too

 

[Thrakier]

Both consoles will play games; one is downplaying the other aspects because the other got mauled for playing up theirs.

MS reveal - all about entertainment, etc
PS4 reveal - all about the games

E3 MS - about the games, some entertainment talk
E3 Sony - about the entertainment, some games talk

Why are you ignoring the hardware side of things? Sony build a machine to play games first and foremost and to make them look beautiful. MS build a basic computer focused on multitasking, so that you can watch tv, write on facebook and read your newsfeed WHILE playing a game. It's not a gaming hardware, it just happens to play games as well.

 

[Manmademan]

As I said, I dont work for a gaming company.

However, posting where people work, is possible breach of someone's privacy. Sure they signed up using their work address, but they didnt sign up thinking that that would be made public.

If bish was really worried about those people commenting with bias of their own company, he'd just ban them.

No need to make a big fuss and name and shame, no matter how good it is to read for others.

Viral marketing is a breach of forum guidelines and significantly impacts the quality of the site. Get caught doing it (and this has happened plenty of times) and it needs to be as public as possible, shaming the companies involved so they stop attempting it.

 

[sakipon]

Viral marketing is a breach of forum guidelines and significantly impacts the quality of the site. Get caught doing it (and this has happened plenty of times) and it needs to be as public as possible, shaming the companies involved so they stop attempting it.

I agree with this. I think the readers of the forum deserve to know which companies have been doing this kind of work here and for which platform. I don't care to know specific user nicknames though.

 

[ralexand]

Such a lame attempt at damage control because Microsoft ate their lunch at presenting something exciting that moves the market past that dwindling market of "hardcore gamers".

Sony, you need to move past these lame attempts at copying what made the other guys successful with your horrible knockoffs and come up with something original and exciting because flops aren't going to save you.

E3 will be telling because few journalist will give a damn about covering a prettier fps from Sony when Microsoft is bringing that truly next gen tech that will move the platform past its male dominated hardcore roots. It will be the Wii all over again in terms of getting attention from the masses.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Let's try to bring the thread back on track a little. Regarding the comments by Hirai, does anyone think this could backfire in the wider market? People are often looking for something that does everything and with Sony positioning the PS4 as a gaming console first and foremost, could it end up suffering against the more multimedia One?

I doubt it will bomb like the Wii U, but I could see a scenario where people look at both on the shelf, think to themselves that One does all this extra stuff and has a lot of the same games and is available for the same price...

 

[AOC83]

Such a lame attempt at damage control because Microsoft ate their lunch at presenting something exciting that moves the market past that dwindling market of "hardcore gamers".

Sony, you need to move past these lame attempts at copying what made the other guys successful with your horrible knockoffs and come up with something original and exciting because flops aren't going to save you.

E3 will be telling because few journalist will give a damn about covering a prettier fps from Sony when Microsoft is bringing that truly next gen tech that will move the platform past its male dominated hardcore roots. It will be the Wii all over again in terms of getting attention from the masses.